judge chutkan might rule on this? >> i think those are very different questions. the rules and federal courts are clear. cameras are prohibited. media groups have come in and they have argued a couple of different things, and one is that the rule is unconstitutional, that it violates first amendment rights so judge chutkan should set it aside. the other is a technical argument about the nature of broadcast which says that this can be done in a way that wouldn't violate the rule. i think it's unlikely that judge chutkan would go ahead and alter the long-standing practice in federal court, but that's very unfortunate because this is a case that should be put on television so that everyone can see it as it happens. the real problem is that donald trump's response in this case, this sort of last-minute response that he files, saying they jacks mitt is engaging in a show trial that he wants to conduct under cover of darkness, is really nothing other than theater because that is simply not the case. >> he excels at theater. joyce thank, thank you for your time. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> we have senator amy klobuchar are joining us tonight. she's the chair of the usually obscure senate rules committee -- >> i know where you're going with this one. >> it did the weirdest thing today. the senate rules committee voted to change a senate rule, and so we've got to hear about that. they don't do that every day. >> they sure don't. and it's a good tease, lawrence. >> it took the madness of tuberville to provoke the senate rules committee to actually vote to change a senate rule. >> the madness of tuberville could be a three by bbc series but unfortunately it's an american drama playing out in real life, right here. >> it will be the title of a limited series at some point. >> i am sure. >> thanks, alex. today, in response to leaks of prosecution video interviews in the case of georgia versus don trump and multiple codefendants, just attorney fani willis did exactly, and i mean exactly, what joyce vance predicted she would do last night on this program. >> there wasn't a formal protective order in place that i think we'll see fani willis make a request for a one and ask that there be no further leaks following this. >> and? unsurprisingly for viewers in this program, 11:08 pm follows prosecution team filed an emergency renewed motion for protective order over discovery materials. the motion says that the state, quote, on an emergency basis renews its prior request that this court enter a protective order overall discovery materials produced by the state to any defendant in this matter in order to protect witnesses and to safeguard sensitive and confidential information. september 27th, the prosecution actually filed a motion for protective order for the judge has not yet ruled on. fani willis's motion today says that the leaked video recordings, quote, were not released by the state to any party other than the defendants charged in the indictment pursuant to the discovery process as required by law. the release of these confidential video recordings is clearly intended to intimidate witnesses in this case, subjecting them to harassment and threats prior to trial, constitutes in the right communication about the facts of this case with codefendants and witnesses, and obstruct the administration of justice in violation of the conditions of release imposed on each defending. we showed you some of the video that was leaks at this hour last night. tonight we have more of that video from the washington post. here is trump codefendant attorney sydney powell, who has pleaded guilty in the case, describing a meeting at the white house on december 21st. >> okay, what happened? >> there was a big shouting match, in which rudy called me every name in the book and i was the worst lawyer he had ever seen in his life, there were no circumstances under which he would put me on anything. he called me a [bleep] and i don't know what all. and that's pretty much i remember about that when. >> and who did you go with? did you go by yourself? >> yeah. >> and was -- already there? >> yes. >> was really already there? >> i think so. >> and so mark meadows, he's a woman contacted you and said hey, come? >> i think so. >> so even a few days after, december 18th, presidents chief of staff still reaching out to you about presumably the election? >> if that was the 21st. i would've thought it was before that. >> you had said before, if you got to the point where the facts were telling him you've lost he within bow out. that was either what you he said to you and says that you got. >> yeah. he said something very clearly to that effect. >> but then on the 18th, the only real justification that he is giving you to why he is not bowing out is that his instincts tell him that he won. >> that in the evidence that i had showed him. >> trump codefendant scott hall, a bail bondsman, who has pleaded guilty, told prosecutors about chartering a plane in georgia to fly to coffee county georgia where, according to his guilty plea, he interfered with voting equipment and data. >> i looked at it on the map, and it's a long way across the county, and i had a friend of mine who occasionally -- these little jets and i called him and he said four [bleep] and giggles, what would it cost me to read to play into coffee county. i want to see how this [bleep] works. and he made phone call and he got me in touch with somebody and i think they said for $10,000 we can fly you down and wait and fly you back. a lot of freaking money, but at the end of the day i said [bleep], i currently see the process. >> you were the cost of that alone? >> i did. part my french but i [bleep] -- >> today in washington d. c., the washington post's global women's summit, judge attorney willis said this about the leak. >> so my team in a particular case that those got all out, we had already filed to have a protective order where discovery and the case would not get out. so surprising, no. disappointing, yes. in fact today, from here, i was with my team making sure that emergency motion got filed so that that motion we had already filed is heard immediately because i think i'm not happy that it was released. even though your colleague got to do your story. [laughter] >> can you say definitively to the audience that it was not your office who leaked this? >> absolutely not my office. i was open records request we got for that release information, which is why so long ago we filed that motion already. now we're just asking that the judge ruled on it, expedited. >> and eternity willis said, in the r. i. c. o. prosecution of donald trump and his codefendants, she is trying to get to the top of the latter. >> i want to get to the top of the latter. [laughter] the dea in fulton county always wants to get to the top of the latter. it leads you to all the way to the top of the ladder, making sure that everyone involved in the criminal enterprise is held responsible. so often a criminal case as you will see what people would think of as you say commonly, the street boys they're selling the dope. but who is running those young men that are selling the dope? and so if you use rico you can often get the whole chain and not just hold the people at the bottom responsible. >> leading off our discussion tonight, andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division of the eastern district of new york. he is the co-host of the msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump. also with us, neal katyal, former acting u.s. solicitor general, and host of the podcast courtside. both an msnbc legal analyst. and gwen keyes, former district attorney of dekalb county, georgia. and gwen, as the georgia criminal procedure here with us tonight, what was your reaction to how the district attorney's office reacted today? >> they reacted exactly how i expected them to react. as was said, this protective order was, this request for a protective order was previously filed in anticipation of an unfortunate event like what we saw yesterday. and the dea and her team have always prioritized the integrity of this case and the security and safety of their witnesses and all of those involved. that is what the protective order was for. and we see now why it is necessary. >> andrew weissmann, what are you hearing in these tapes, in the actual evidence in these tapes? >> first i want to say a friend of mine was in the audience and listen to fani willis and said she really brought the house down. she was incredibly impressive. people said she just handled herself amazingly. quite a great performance in terms of fielding questions. what i am hearing so far is that it's really important for viewers to separate out the different people. there are four people who have pleaded guilty and it's so far sounds like mr. hall and miss ellis are truly cooperating and are giving information that could be used at a trial and would be potential important government witnesses, whether in a state case or federal case or both. i think that even the clip that you just played from miss powell and information from mr. chesebro, i think it seems quite clear that there is some what we used to call false exculpatory statements. they don't seem like they are fully cooperating. they are saying things that are, i think, harmful to the states case, helpful to donald trump. there was a lot of questions when they pled guilty, whether they were fully cooperating because their agreements were not like alice's. there are signs of that i think in the information that has leaked out. >> and neal katyal you are with us last night when these leaks were very fresh. you saw after that stage harmful evidence for donald trump that would work against him, but the other important thing about these tapes is, these are selected portions of these tapes. that were leaked. none of them were leaked in their entirety, and so, neil, we don't know the full context of these interviews. >> that's exactly. there's a whole discussion now, people are claiming fani willis and her office for leaking. it is true what, and who is saying, that the evidence itself is really important. it estimates trump's mens rhea when it says, when jen ellis says, for example, a trump's gonna stay in power no matter what, didn't care if you won or lost, that's all devastating to trump. so the evidence helps the prosecution a ton. but the leak of the evidence occurred yesterday doesn't help the prosecution. the leak only intimidates witnesses, scares them off from testimony, selectively -- as the evidence andrew pointed to that might not be so bad for trump in the like. but there's absolutely no reason for fani willis to have lead. if she would present this court in later, it would help. or she is, by the way, crushing it. please deal after plea deal, including people in trump's inner circle. the only person who's desperate here of the criminal defendants, including donald trump. that's why i think if you have to start wondering where this leak comes from, there's no doubt in my mind it's not coming from the prosecutors. >> gwen keyes, what do you expect here in the hearing on this, which the judge has now, on an emergency basis, scheduled for tomorrow afternoon? >> well, i think the d. a.'s team is going to possibly replay this show and several of the others that aired last night to demonstrate how this information was leaked and possibly what the purpose to either undermine the d. a.'s case or worse, intimidate witnesses. obviously the judge also was going to prioritize the integrity of this case along with the safety and security of witnesses. and i think you'll see some very strong arguments to ensure that some sort of protective order is put into place. so this information is released into public in advance of trial. >> andrew, what's the argument, what's the defense argument against a protective order on this kind of material? >> it's a standard that the government needs to meet here is they need to show that there is a substantial risk of harm or economic injury. and so i think they're going to be questioning the quantum of truth that the state puts up. but i think that this is an area where fani willis's argument tomorrow and jack smith's argument in the d. c. court of appeals, to sustain the gag order, really coincide. because for someone like gianna ellis or mr. hall, with a taped information that was leaked has them giving information that is harmful to donald trump, that it is very hard for the defense to say that there isn't a substantial risk to them, and that is why the d. a., i think, is very appropriate to seek this order. because you do not have a more dangerous defendant than donald trump in all of his criminal cases and his civil cases. this has been repeatedly found by the judges overseeing these matters. >> district sure he will listen washington journal made a point that i have made about all these cases, which is the appeals, if there are convictions in any of these on trump cases, the appeals will go on for years. so a guilty verdict will just be the beginning of an appeal. but she said much more than that about the actual scheduling that she foresees for this trial. let's listen to what she said about that. >> i think a case will be on appeals for years. okay. but i think that in terms of i believe in that case there will be a trial. i believe the trial will take many months. and i don't expect that we will conclude until the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> so there's a possibility the defendants would be on trial up to including an election season, an election day, and maybe even an inauguration day? >> i don't, when making decisions about cases to bring, consider any election cycle or election season. it does not go in the calculus. what goes in the calculus is, this is the law, these are the facts, and if the facts show you violated the law, that charges are brought. it will be a really sad day if, when you're under investigation for the shoplifting charge, you could go run for city council and an investigation would stop. that's foolishness. it's foolishness at any level. >> neal katyal, what do you make of that potential timetable? >> i'm very disappointed in the district attorney on this. the idea that it's going to be more than a year for a trial to occur, that's just not the way criminal trials work. look at sam bateman fried who was indicted an already indicted a. like the fact that trump is gonna get a year, it's really dangerous. here's why. it's true that part presidents can't pardon themselves from state crimes. that's absolutely right. the president can't order the district attorney, local district attorney to drop a prosecution or drop in appeal the way he can arguably the u. s. justice department. but, there's a very serious constitutional argument that a state cannot jail the president of united states or launch a criminal conviction. it can delay trials and defer them until after he leaves office, but to allow one state to do that is to undo the nations political will. so if he's not brought to trial and convicted by the time of inauguration day, it very well may be that he will escape from justice if not for the next four years, perhaps even more than that. so it is a really problematic timetable and i'm very worried about it. >> gwen keyes, is a timetable we just heard mostly because this is a r. i. c. o. case? because when you look at those trial timetables of large r. i. c. o. cases in georgia, it does take up this kind of time, including extraordinary months of time just on jury selection. >> well, usually rico cases are complex and they do take several months. i think the big question in this matter is when will that r. i. c. o. case start? and i think because there are so many other criminal matters and civil matters that involve several different defendants, what the d. a. is talking about is, she's not gonna be able to start the case in march the way she originally said she was ready to go in the beginning. and so she is now going to have to go behind several of these federal cases, which, as i understand, would take primacy over the state case and because of that her trial wouldn't start until later in 2024, possibly winter of 2024. >> gwen keyes, andrew weissmann, neal katyal, thank you all very much for starting off our discussion tonight. coming up, 18 republican state attorneys general joined the trump criminal defense team today. that peculiar story is next. announcer: try tide power pods with 85% more tide in every pod. who needs that much more tide? 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really this isn't extraordinarily strong case for this gag order. and judge chutkan was so careful in making it-limited in and that he can still say all sorts of things in general about the government, about the judge, about the department of justice, but cannot go after people by name and individually. >> neil, we have seen, throughout criminal defense work, criminal defense lawyers attacking the prosecution case against their clients, and doing so in the media for months and months leading up to trial, and doing it on the courthouse steps every day of the trial, attacking the case. i have never seen relentless attacking of the actual prosecutors themselves. that's something i have never seen before. >> that's exactly right. first of all, andrew, if trump is attacking you, and means you're on the right side of history. so hats off to you, my friend. and look, i think lawrence, you are right about that. that's why judge chutkan impose this gag order. it's a limited one, as andrew says. it still allows attacks on the case. it just doesn't allow attacks on the witnesses and prosecutors. and of donald trump had listened to his wife's anti-bullying campaign, maybe this gag order wouldn't be necessary. but trump has done the reserve reverse. he has a pattern of targeting the witnesses, the prosecutors, the judges, and now, as jack smith family points out, even the prosecutor's family. the best evidence for why this gag order is necessary comes from a guy named donald trump himself. that is why he can have, trump can have 18 state attorneys general who, heavens me, i can't understand why those people who are law enforcement officers would be filing a brief in our nation's second highest court saying criminal defendants can do this kind of nonsense. it doesn't make any sense to me, given their duties to uphold the law and to prevent violence. but nonetheless they've done it. i imagine that brief will get about as much attention as we have given it on this show. it's an absurd position. and trump's position is absurd. it will lose in the d. c. circuit, the nation's second highest court, there's no doubt. >> a fascinating use of taxpayer money in those states, if that's what their attorneys general are doing. and neal, a quick appeals questioning question. assuming trump does not win in the appeals court, can even appeal to the supreme court, and how long would that take? >> he will. it can go in a fast emergency timetable to the u.s. supreme court. i don't anticipate the u.s. supreme court will hear it. i think that brief by 18 state attorneys general is designed to try and suggest that the mere more legal heft to these arguments than what there is. it's written for the u.s. supreme court, but i don't think the u.s. supreme court is going to take this case. the trial judge has done a really good job here in explaining why this-limited order is necessary. >> we neal katyal and andrew weissmann, thank you so much for joining the discussion tonight. coming up, today the senate rules committee actually voted to change a senate rule. all it took was a deeply disturbed and profoundly ignorant republican senator blocking every single military promotion that is subject to senate confirmation, something that has never happened before in history. senator amy klobuchar, who wrote the new rule, will join us next. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. 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military positions in limbo because of senator tuberville's hold, and nearly 650 military leadership positions will be vacant by the years end if this continues. >> that's the chair of the senate rules committee today, amy klobuchar, trying to find a way to get around something that has never happened in the history of the senate. one breathtakingly stupid senator blocking every military promotion that has to be confirmed by the senate. every one of those promotions is for a career military officer. the pay raises that come with those promotions are also being blocked by that one relentlessly stupid senator. he is a republican, of course, because that's where ranks to pity thrives now in the united states senate. >> every single one of us here, not just senator tuberville, as issues we feel totally passionate about. that we feel are morally right. if every one of us had the temerity, the recklessness, to do what senator tuberville has done, we would have no military. >> that was senate majority leader chuck schumer, a member of the rules committee. it's actually the only senate committee he is a member of. he was at that committee meeting today to pass a resolution that would change the rules of the senate for the remainder of the 118th congress, which will come to an end at the end of next year. the new rule would allow the confirmation of an unlimited number of military promotions, with just one vote of the senate. earlier this month, republican senators launched an unprecedented attack against a member of their own party on the senate floor. when they tried, and failed to crack the cruelty of tommy tuberville. >> there's a reason this has not been done this way for a couple hundred years. no matter where you believe it or not, senator tuberville, this is doing great damage to our military. i don't say that lightly. if this is the norm, who the hell wants justice served in the military when your promotion began based on something you had nothing to do with. >> it is simply a, in my opinion, an abuse of the powers we have a senators, to see if there's something we vehemently disagree with that we're going to use that power to hold up the promotion of over 350 men and women in our military. >> all them professionally responsible for this and by extension to undermine the safety and security of american people. during this perilous time it doesn't make any sense to me. >> we're gonna look back at this episode in just be stunned. and what a national security suicide mission it is. >> i really respect man of their word. i do not respect a man who do not honor their word. >> joining us now is democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota, the chair of the senate rules committee. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks lawrence. >> and congratulations. the committee actually voted to change a central. >> well, number one, i want to give credit where credit is due. senator reed actually brought this resolution. he is the chair, jack reed, a chair of the armed services committee. as you know, this is where this lays. because so many members of our military, you heard those numbers, but behind every number is a person. it is a family. we had in our markup of this resolution today, we had a number of military families, some who have been waiting months, some nine months for their loved one to get this promotion. there are spouses who left their jobs, teaching in schools because they thought they were going to be somewhere else. people have their stuff and storage. people have their parents and grandparents in assisted living, and they don't know what town they're going to be in. it is story after story after story, and i got to spend time with, them both before and after this markup. so i want to make clear that i do appreciate that our republican colleagues have been pushing and prodding him and being not just behind closed doors but taking it on in the senate floor. those are the votes we're going to need, lawrence, to get this over the top. we need nine republicans to join democrats, because what i did today in what our great rules committee and senator schumer did and the democrats did is, we got this over the line 9 to 7 so it can head right to the senate floor where it belongs. i just think at some point, maybe at thanksgiving dinner, when everyone starts asking, why is this happening, in military families across the country are talking about this, the dam has got to break and they've got to do what is right for the country and stop playing politics with our military chain of command. >> okay, so let me get this straight. the republicans in the senate almost all of whom say the tuberville should not be doing this, and they are opposed to what tuberville is doing, seven republicans in your committee voted against this rule change today? >> that did happen. now, when you read the tea leaves and you know that's what the senate is all about, there was i there wasn't a cage match. let's start with that. there wasn't even a food fight. there were amendments. and senate mcconnell action actually said that this wasn't the particular moment to do this, and that he did not like what tuberville was doing. okay, from their, where do we go? well, it seems to me, once you have played all the remarks on my republican colleagues, that there is room to get this done. and this is the way to do it. you just vote them together. we have exceptions for the head of the joint chiefs and some of these major command positions where you would put them in block, as you call it. but it allows us to just take one vote. and throughout history, multiple exceptions, this is a temporary exception to the rule that would only last until the end of the congress. so if he starts doing it again to other military appointments, we could again put them together and take one vote. otherwise, lawrence, you know how the place works. we would have 115 business days just to get the 350 done. and then for the remaining ones, we're gonna get to the end of the year, you could double that. we would not be able to get one other piece of business done, including keeping the government going. it is absurd and an embarrassment for our country and our security. he's holding up the head of cybercrime. he's holding up the head of the pacific air command. he's holding up the commander of the fifth fleet in the persian gulf. that is what this guy is doing. it is impossible to explain anymore and for the good of our country and our troops, we have to get this done. >> also cutting their lifetime incomes because he is holding back their pay raises, their pensions eventually being based on their pay. it is a stunning cruelty that, and obvious reasons why no one has ever tried this before. the cruelties unspeakable. >> i thought that point senator schumer made is really one where we're thinking about. anyone can do this at anytime. i could. i want to get the afghan adjustment app to hope to bury bipartisan bill to help the afghans when -- i could hold up all kinds of things to do that. no one is doing that, because we have always held this chain of command as sacred. every so often people will object to one nominee and then we'll have a vote. get it. that's not what this is. this is a wholesale assault and call it a hold is actually way too romantic for what it is. it is a blockade. >> chair of the senate rules committee, amy klobuchar, trying to change the rule. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. one step forward. some progress today. >> yes. yes it is. thank you, senator. and coming up, new jersey senator robert menendez, also criminal defendant menendez, for the second time in his senate career, criminal defendant, is ignoring demands by 31 democratic senators that he resigned from the senate. new jersey democratic congressman andy kim has also called for the senator's resignation, and he is now running against defendant menendez for the democratic nomination for senate 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>> well, first of, all thanks for having me. to answer your question, no, it was not something else. i'm a father of a six-year-old and an eight year old, two little boys, i try to spend as much time as i can with them. the idea of doing a statewide campaign was not top of mind. but it is because of my kids that i feel it is so important right now to step up and do what we can to restore integrity to our politics. i do feel like there is a hunger right now to fix this broken politics. i think about what kind of america my kids are gonna grow up in. i hope that is something that a lot of other people feel right now. if they do, i hope they go to my website at anytime. com. >> what are you getting from people in new jersey about their attitude toward the menendez indictment? new jersey has seeing more than its share of indictments against politicians, including a previous indictment against robert menendez that ended in a hung jury. >> i hear from people that were in similar place to me, just like we're at a breaking point here. that's why i jumped in. i was at a breaking point where i said, enough. you can't keep doing this. we have a recent survey here in new jersey. 84% of people here in new jersey believe that their politicians are corrupt. nationwide we live in a time of the greatest amount of distrust in government in modern american history. we cannot survive as a democracy if we're just eroding this kind of trust and having this lack of faith in our elected leaders. we have a former boss in national security in the state department who said you don't have good government unless you had good people working in government. we have to take a step now to restore that sense of integrity, that sense of trust. otherwise i don't think our democracy is going to be able to be the kind of strength and resolve that it needs to be. >> in addition to not committing federal crimes, how else would andy kim be different in the senate for new jersey? >> look, i'm somebody that has been a public servant my whole career. i'm a public school kid, a son of immigrants. i be the fourth youngest senator in the hungry at a time when there's a hunger for a new generation of leadership to step up. and the first asian american to be elected to the senate from the entire east coast united states. i come from the national security background in a career capacity in a time when we have a war in europe, a war in the middle east. and i'm somebody that really feels earnest about my desire to serve. i have done about 70 town halls in five years, in congress. leading the charge, trying to fight against corruption, and make sure that we can step up in so many different ways. so i hope people see me as someone who is battle-tested. i'm a democrat that won a district that trump won twice. in 2020 i was one of only seven democrats in the country to win a district that trump won. so i can build coalitions. i can build bridges. and i do feel like i could be someone that could unite the party and put forward a new face and be able to have that fresh start here in new jersey. >> congressman andy kim, now running for senate in new jersey, giving new jersey voters an option. thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. ...there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure which can lead to dialysis. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. when you have chronic kidney disease, it's time to ask your doctor for farxiga. because there are places you want to be. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. ♪far-xi-ga♪ i'm sholeh, and i lost 75 pounds with golo. i went from a size 20 to a size 6. before golo, nothing seemed to work. i was exercising for over an hour every day. it was really discouraging. but golo's so easy, the weight just falls off. and wake up rejuvenated. with purple's new mattresses- fall asleep 20% faster have less aches and pains and sleep uninterrupted. right now save up to $900 off mattress sets during purple's black friday sale. visit purple.com or a store near you today. the power goes out and we still have wifi purpto do our homework.ale. and that's a good thing? 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