>> it is no ordinary headline in the new york times. sweeping raids, giant camps, and nasty port asians. what to expect should donald regain power. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, tell us what reports. we're beginning the hour with breaking news. a deadly u.s. military training mission. our reporter is at the white house. we know the president just released a statement. tell us about, that all we know about this incident. >> yes, the white house putting out the statement from president biden. in the last hour, so the president is saying that he and the first lady are mourning the dehs of five american service members who died when their aircraft crashed inthe mediterranean sea during a routine training mission. now we know u.s. european command says the rve members were killed during that routine error refuelling mission. it says that it was part of military training in friday mediterranean. eastern the officials say that the aircraft had a,misshapen that caused it to go down. the initial military statement did say that this was purely related to training, and there is no indication of hostile octave idiot there in the mediterranean. the president statement is going on to say that he acknowledges that service members put their lives on the line for a country every day. saying that on this veterans day weekend, he, again, affirms what is the sacred gation to those who volunteered to serve, as well as thr families, their caregivers, supporters, that echoes the message delivered yesterday, and at the naon cemetery, alex, about caring for these people during and after their service. alex. >> i tell you, that is hard news to digest. we're going to bring you more this weekend, more information from the white house. let's go to the other breaking news on israel's continuing bombardment of gaza, following the horrific attack october 7th. new talk today of hostages taken by hamas, and whether a deal to release them maybe in the works. >> but the middle we start at the ground operation, things started to change. >> is there a potential deal, mr. prime minister? is there a potential -- >> there could be, but i think the less they say about, at the more it'll increase the chances that it materializes. >> we are working literally by the hour, jonathan, to try to secure the release of all the hostages. i really don't want to get into too much detail because, again, the last said publicly of these sensitive negotiations and conversations are probably the better. >> nbc news is reporting separately a biden administration official confirming a possible deal for the release of hostages being discussed. it could see the release of about 80 women and children, and exchange for the release of palestinian women and teenagers held by israel. also new today, a bipartisan group of congress met with netanyahu, as well as other israeli and u.s. officials in israel. they are now returning to washington. with just five days to go before government shutdown, and where republican house speaker, mike johnson, plans to introduce a two-step continuing resolution to keep the u.s. government open. it includes no aid to israel. let's go right now to julie tsirkin, joining us from the her post on capitol hill with new reaction to the house speakers. i guess it's a two-step approach, julie, to avert a government shutdown. the question is, is the plan doa, or will it work? >> alex, i don't think. so i was talking to a senior senate democratic leadership lately last night after this plan was dropped, and they made a point of telling me that they feel as though speaker johnson came closer into the direction of democrats with this bill because it does have this two-step process. democrats certainly don't, like a they think it's chaotic, it's wonky, it's complicated, for no reason. but, it is a clean bill. meaning, there are no spending in, budget cuts, something hard-line conservatives really wanted. let's talk about what's in the. spell it to give a full screen of, it if you can. it's a two-step process. some of the agencies run out funding on january 19th. other agencies, includin defense, which is also a line for democrats. they're happy this is in the second -- they ran out of funding t second, meaning the prospect of deadline shutdown slims at the bill passes. at the same time, you already have three republicans who have quickly posted on x, right after this plan was unveiled in a closed meeting by phone. you see them on your screen. their hard-liners who said that they will not support this plan. that is likely meaning johnson will need democrats to work across the aisle. they need some support. let's take a listen to what two democrats, one, houston one senate had to say today. >> a ladder -- as the new speaker calls it, a term, by the, way that none of us had ever heard of until this past week, really doesn't accomplish anything other than seemingly uniting both republican and democratic members, and opposition. here we are again. >> this flatters the are, approach it looks gimmicky to me, i'm open to what the house is talking about, the priority has to be keeping the government open, i think this is a moment where reasonable people in the senate, and that's where most of the reasonable people are these days, have to make sure that we are not making the perfect the enemy of the good. >> i don't know about you, alex, but to, me that does not sound like they are closing the door of potentially passing this bill, and, par because certainly they have five days until the shutdown on friday. johnson did not include the spending cuts, but he didn't include a to israel. we are talking about that bipartisan congressional delegation that traveled to israel, traveled overseas to meet the prime minister netanyahu. that included the top republican on the house floor and affairs committee, chairman mccaul, and his top democratic chairman mix. excuse me, ranking member meeks. they met with netanyahu and with members of cabinet, and they presented to netanyahu the resolutions that the house and senate passed affirming support for israel, and declaring opposition to the terrorist attacks by hamas. alex. >> yesterday, i was talking with representative mike quigley who recently returned from ukraine. we didn't hear anything about ukraine either. there's certainly a lot to get. there will see how it goes with your, help. julie thank you. turning now to a busy week ahead for former president donald trump, as the defense begins its case tomorrow in the new york civil fraud trial against trump's business. donald trump union will return to the stand as the first defense witness. joining me now, nbc justice reporter, ryan reilly. welcome,. ryan trump's legal team has that 127 potential witnesses -- who might serve as a key witness for the defense. what do you expect will hear from don jr.'s testimony tomorrow? >> all went to the list. there's not a lot of name she'd recognize. kitchen sink isn't one of, them certainly. they're basically trying to put as many people up as they possibly, can and extend this thing out. as long as possible. there's not a lot of marquee names that aren't necessarily, other than trump sons. by alan weiss is on the list as well. they wanted to make sure that they make sure anyone was on the list so they could potentially. call dale says that any the prosecutions witnesses, they want people to call them as well. i think the thing will be whether or not they're going to end up frustrating the judge. it's the judge she is ultimately going to decide the extent. this of course he's already found the underlying fraud, just about how -- so it's certainly something you don't want to irritate him more by putting a witness after witness who are repeating the same thing over and over again, and certainly, some of these people are on his employees. so it's interesting to see how this shakes out. if they were to call these witnesses, this could be weeks and weeks of a defense case. >> oh boy. we'll see about that. the other one of trump's legal challenges, one of several, the former president is requesting the cameras be allowed in the courtroom for his federal election interference trial. so here's what donald trump told supporters at a rally in new hampshire yesterday. take a listen. >> i want this trial to be seen by everybody in the world. i want everything exposed to the public, including the election fraud. >> anything new on that effort, ryan? >> i think this is where the media and donald trump are in agreement. the labour party is likely to get their wish. here it would just be pretty extraordinary for them to break with these years of precedent. it would require some kind of action from congress, relates, make this happen. there is a body that decides this within the judiciary, and this is not a standard thing that they do, that the trials aren't televised. sometimes you have these cases, where you have a live audio. sometimes we've seen those arguments pass in some capacity, but the cameras are far away, and controlled by the governing, and the courts. yeah, i don't think that this is something that's in the realm of possibility, especially given how soon that trial is coming up. but starting in march. it's not that far away. we're really getting down to the wire here. >> absolutely. thanks so much. reminding everyone, you can look for ryan's new book. sedition hunters. how january 6th broke the justice system. thank, you ryan. let's go now to that breaking news in the israel-hamas war. israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, saying that there is a potential deal to release hostages inside gaza. netanyahu telling nbc news that negotiations to free the hostages only began to materialize after israeli forces began their ground operation in gaza. now this comes as a second gaza hospital is now out of service, and facing dire humanitarian circumstances after coming under cross fire from israeli forces. joining me now is nbc's erin maclachlan from tel aviv, israel. welcome to, you are. and what more can you tell us about this potential deal to release hostages? also about the situation at the gaza hospitals right now. >> well, alex, we know that there have been ongoing negotiations for weeks now between israel, qatar, and the united states, to negotiate some sort of hostage release. up until this point, israeli prime minister, bennett that senior, who has been emphatic that there will be no cease-fire without the release of all 239 hostages. now he's saying that a deal is possible, although, not going into detail when meet the press is christian walker was asking if he knows well the hostages are. he said they know a lot, but again, not offering that further detail. the biden administration official is telling nbc news that what's on the table, the proposal currently being considered is an exchange of 80 of the hostages, women, and children for 80 palestinian prisoners. women, and teenagers. the official notes that nothing has been finalized yet. this as the war wages on in gaza, and gaza city. the hospitals, there's desperation and despair at the al-shifa hospital, the main hospital, the largest hospital in gaza. i was talking to a doctor inside that hospital who say that they are completely surrounded. when he was talking on the, phone you can hear explosions in the distance. he said they're running out of food, water, medical supplies, and critically fuel. at least 16 patients have died, according to the palestinian health ministry as a result of that lack of critical supplies, including at least three newborn children. now the israeli military says that they dropped off some fuel on the steps of the hospital this morning, about 300 leaders, this doctor telling me they need 10,000. the israeli military saying they are facilitating the evacuation of the hospital, but this doctor is also telling me that that is quite simply not happening. that is the picture at one of the hospitals there in gaza city. alex. >> that is a hard aspect of things to take. thank you, erin, in tel aviv. so call it trump two point oh. you thought his last presidency had some draconian policies? 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there is the cruelty is the point. and it really makes me wonder where is the heart and soul of the republican party if this is the person who we nominate to be their leader, even after he's telling you about the disgusting cruelty, and frankly the evil that he plans to reap upon our friends, just because they're immigrants. >> yeah. david, here's a question. first, off to you, donald trump, he would find enough people to surround himself to undertake these measures, right? secondly, is this potential sweeping policy a turn off to independent voters? >> it should be. i hope it would be. it offends the ideals of america. i think for republicans, it works. it reveals the dark part of the former president, but also the republican party. donald trump's have called democrats racist and thugs, saying that they are -- there serial murderers, they're coming into the country. he says that immigrants are poisoning the blood of america. there is no way to take other than an outright racist statement. we have to use that context to examine a policy recommendation like that. those who would surround, him and support the policy like that, they do create an environment in which independent voters might say, wait, remember this guy's four years in office the first time. i don't want to back. hopefully that contrast with joe biden's policies, to ensure that democracy is protected but ultimately american ideals and protected and the next election. i'm >> susan, that i'm considering those he would likely can surround himself with. this next issue is a big one, an extremely concerning. this week, we heard trump come from all these reports that he plans to use federal, judicial, and military powers to go after his political rivals. and put down protests against. him so the question, is a bluster, or should we believe him? >> absolutely believe him. there's no reason not to. when he has said things that have horrified us, especially going back to 2015, no way could we do that, he did. he has shown us who he is, and you must take him at his word, on this particular issue. not, all but this. one i think that what i'm particularly concerned about is, for example, the military. that group is, they vow to contrary, not to presidents. would they be able to defy such an order? i don't know. and will our courts hold up, especially if he gets to a point with mortgages. i don't know anymore. this is something that should scare everyone, but especially, i think, independents, and independent women in particular. >> we'll harken back to lafayette park. that walk where -- was like, no. don, there is a new report in which is as president biden is planning to ramp up its attacks on donald trump after his allies have said, yeah, you gotta do that. they've urged him to do this. he took some swipes this week at the union event, but apparently, he's not going to go full speed on these attacks until after the first few years. the question is why not start now? is there something about, to people tire of hearing this? he's going against trump. that's all they're gonna here on that side. >> i'm okay with him starting at the beginning. we're going into the holidays, you know, people need to breathe. next year it's going to be all campaigns and november. i love the tactic of him going after trump, because trump is still the leader of the party. there's no sense in him getting into the crazy fray of the ramaswamy, or that. he has to elevate him self and say this is the face of the party, this is what the party stands for, and i'm going directly after him. trump is still so far had that he has got to attack the top of the party, that still trump unfortunately. >> you don't think this will be the next six or seven weeks? >> people are not painted tension yet. we're painted tension. susan adele always paid attention. but america's not pain attention until march, april of next year. >> okay. , susan speaking of 2024, as we were, seeing abortion rights are driving democratic turnout. there are at least nine states that are pro 17 ballot. i'm number the more swing states. could they ensure victory just by putting this question on the ballot? >> i think that it will certainly help the turnout. one thing i'm a little obsessed with these days is florida. florida could be a real swing state again if you just look at the details, and the facts about how desantis won. he won because 900,000 fewer democrats voted in 2022 then 2018. we know that this issue of the state constitution has a huge turnout, and it really could help biden quite a bit to put more states in play, and help his odds within those states. >> those swing states, arizona. bunch of them out there. florida is another one to consider. what about you, david? what happened yesterday? house republicans are releasing the government funding plants. we heard johnson's pro voting this two step ladder cr. some bill six -- on february 2nd. he is doing it to appease the far-right republicans in the party, but what do you make of this? are these gimmicks ultimately just going to drive the government off the fiscal cliff? >> actually, i think he thought he was appeasing the far-right, but he really failed. to this is an interesting test of speaker johnson's ability to work with the far-right. i'll cut to the quick on this one. hosted macron, said it, democrats they should excite by johnson's proposal right now. keep the government open till the end of the new year, it's a little gimmicky, but it's gimmicky without consequence. it continues the funding that the government, at current levels, with the deep cuts that the far-right, which is why some of the far-right authority said no way i'm going to do this. the problem, alex, is it would be natural for senate republicans and democrats to actually support when mike johnson has -- they would prefer to not be too different exploration, days but whatever, it's inconsequential as a gimmick. the problem is, if they come out and supported, it will sink the opportunity for house republicans to fall for because house republicans want to do anything that cannot to work. the democrats, look, mike johnson was reaching for some type of gift to the far-right, and he messed. it's amazing that his political intelligence about the far-right is so bad, and he just gave vacuum jeffries in the senate a gift, that's what he's done. >> listen, our family friend here, don, your smiling at that. you agree? that he missed the mark. >> he missed it. badly david and susan are always on point, alex, you show me so much love for a long time. that i want you to know how much i people appreciate you giving me the platform to rub hbcus on your show. i went to the bus, one alabama. the second best, the howard bison. i brought this. from all hbcu communities. we're so grateful. >> guys, it's christmas. it's come early. thank you so much. i mean, we have you, with alabama, but this is historic. you've got thurgood marshall, chadwick boseman. >> howard is an amazing institution. all of our schools are. shout out to taurasi. we just wanted to show love and say thank you. you've given us all so much of a platform. it really means a lot to see the schools represented. >> one of where this home today. i have might not look good on tv. thank you. good to see you. see you next weekend's. well in the meantime, from israel, a possible breakthrough on a critical. front how we interpret the latest headlines, and whether. israel's next. rael's next. next level. 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especially since hamas has previously said, no hostage release until a cease-fire. is that the idf is wearing hamas down. >> the military pressure, the ground combat unit in the region, the possibility of collateral damage, killing civilians, and wounding them, it diminishes. the israelis have gotten 1 million people out of direct combat in northern gaza. where, potentially, if egypt cooperates, we can have enhanced humanitarian aid. hamas is really in dire circumstances. it would be great news if 80 women and children got out. there is zero opportunity of hamas releasing all the hostages in exchange for fire. if they did, they then know that they would be vulnerable, ultimately, to the idf. it's hard to tell if any of this will transpire. at least we're seeing millions, or hundreds of thousands of palestinian civilians getting out of direct combat. >> snow, from the israeli perspective, how much do hostages play to the calculation of the israeli military when it is attacking hamas? >> i think it's a huge, dominating factor. the whole notion, four, example we can find the idf can find the and exits and entrances of the tunnel complex. that's a weakness of hamas, not a strength. they put smoke down, and under pressure, they bulldoze the thing close, they blow them up. they're really not capable of doing that and a widespread manner knowing that there are a couple hundred innocent people underground deliberately being used to prevent the idf from entering the tunnels. so it's a major factor. hamas will not release those hostages unless it's under strong military pressure. by the, way alex, want to understand is they, the day this war ends, if hamas is still intact, undergrod, and if the idf is destroying 20% of gaza's infrastructure, israel has strategically lost that war. they can't allow that. so right now they're trying to sort through the massive international condemnation brought on solely by the 7th of october torture, rape, murder of hundreds of israeli civilians. they're trying to sort out how they proceed is a military campaign, to knock hamas in the head. >> is there any calculus, general, on hamas is part, with israel saying they want to around a kate hamas, that has to come with the destruction of these tunnels, right? they could potentially regroup, rebuilt. so does hamas look at this like we have to save as much of that tunnel infrastructure, and maybe one of the best things to do is to give back some of these hostages? do you think that's a calculus? >> i think they're going to get back some of the hostages, for sure. as a military pressure intensifies, they've got to do something to get a temporary cease-fire. the humanitarian pauses, there cease-fires, once implemented, three, four, five, days you can't start up the battle again. so, hamas does need the tunnels, they need leadership. there -- there have been killed or neutralized, so we'll just have to see. the idf, probably, need several weeks to sit on the ground surface area of gaza, and try to locate hostages, and negotiate for before drug vein israel underground. they might not to get that freedom back. >> in terms of how long this continues, israeli prime minister this morning spoke to chris for a walker on meet the press. how long it'll take to defeat hamas. let's take a listen to what he said. >> i don't think it's going to take the time that it took the united states in the international coalition to defeat i.s.i.s., or to defeat al-qaeda. it took you many years. i don't think it'll be many years. >> is that realistic, that timeline he's projecting? >> yeah, probably. look, the problem is, international diplomacy, the arab states, who's going to govern gaza, and who is going to provide security. the idf will never withdraw from gaza, or the west bank, until there is some security apparatus in place that guarantees that there won't be a 7th of october attack. asia, jordan, saudi arabia, these are the countries that are crucial, will they step forward and say, no, it will go in there, will help rebuild gaza. we'll work towards ten years of a two party state. are there going to step? up so far, none of them want to touch that. there is a red hot -- they don't one another couple million palestinians in egypt. it's a political dilemma. the arab world is focused on. >> it's critical to think of what happens after. thank you very much, sir. in the meantime, we have new reaction from the threats to election workers in at least five states. colorado secretary of state is going to join me next on that. as well and whether or not her state will keep donald trump off the ballot. a big 14th amendment question. th amendment question. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. 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how did the scary phenomena start? >> things having me on, alex. yes, this is incredibly concerning. actually, several days before the report of these letters been sent, denver received an envelope full of gunpowder. the idea that election workers have to be worried now about being poisoned by fentanyl, is incredibly concerning. it shows the amount of attacks on democracy at this point in our elections. >> it's part, in fact, of a larger trend. there's that recent pol from the center that solid 45% of local election workers were concernefor the safety of their colleagues. 30% say they have been personally abused, harassed, or threatened because of their job. what is driving this? how can poll workers be protected? >> the thing driving this is maga extremism, and president trump's attempts to try to steal past elections, and potentially future elections. it's the lies and conspiracies that have been used to incite these threats against election officials, to make republican and democratic election workers so scared to do their job that they'll step down. extremist can then step in. so we have to take these attacks very seriously. that includes strengthening laws in the states, prosecuting, and not allowing election workers to oversee every step of our democracy, to be threatened out of their positions. >> yeah. all, right on the heels of, that the 14th amendment case in colorado there. are their closing arguments are scheduled for wednesday in this lawsuit that seeks to remove donald trump in the ballot for allegedly violating a constitutional provision of bars anyone to engage in an insurrection from holding office. do you have any expectations and how the judge will rule this? >> well, my expectation is that the judge has indicated she will rule soon. this is a good thing because colorado has a super two-state presidential primary, which all certify the ballot on january six. there are big questions in this case. you >> know >> they brought this lawsuit saying that donald trump's acts in engaging an insurrection disqualify him under the constitution from holding office. so it's a big case, i look forward to having some guidance from the court. >> do you believe his actions disqualify him from being on the ballot? >> i believe that the former president incited the insurrection. i believe his actions are the only reason this lawsuit has even been filed. i believe that it's up to a court to make the determination. here in colorado, we have a law on the books where every day voters can challenge ballots certification on a candidates, and put it in a court's hands. so the judges decision would be important, of course, to guiding myself, and whether to put donald trump on the ballot. also, it's a big issue for the entire nation. >> it is indeed. and, fact medicine at a supreme court this week, as you, know released a similar lawsuit. saying donal trump won't be disqualified from the primary, because it's up to the republican party, not the state, to put forward the candidate. however, it left room for the case to be reopened after the primaries. this is ahead of the general election. that impact, the decision in the colorado case. >> well, i never want to opine on what a judge will look at, you know, colorado law is different than minnesota law. in colorado, only eligible candidates can be placed on the ballot. so, for example, a 17-year-old is ineligible to run for president. we would not put a 17 year old on the ballot in a presidential primary. likewise, someone who is disqualified under section three of the 14th amendment for being a risk to the country would be ineligible. now, whether donald trump has disqualified himself because of his participation in the insurrection, that's exactly the question that i hope the judge reaches an answer for in this case. >> let me ask you to quickly look back at what happened tuesday's election with democrats of victory across the country, with analysts saying that the abortion issue help drive turnout. do you expect to spillover effect in 2024? >> i think that many in republican leadership are completely out of touch with the american people. look at what the republicans just did. they decided to put sheep election denier in charge of the house. americans believe in democracy. they have rejected extremism. republicans have also decided to embrace this stripping of constitutional rights for women. demanding of abortion. we are seeing a conservative -- american's reject their extremism. as one of the only statewide elected officials, in the youngest secretary of state in the nation, i will always stand with the proposition that abortion care is health care. and women need to be treated with the respect we deserve in this country, as citizens. >> to which i say, keep on keeping. on secretary of state, thank you so much. so it comes down to mates, plumbers, and soap. a fascinating comment made to me on the show yesterday by a former donald trump insider that could have legal implications for the former president. me president. now i feel free to bare my skin, thanks to skyrizi. ♪(uplifting music)♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ i'm celebrating my clearer skin... my way. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin, even at 5 years. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. thanks to clearer skin with skyrizi - this is my moment. there's nothing on my skin and that means everything! ♪nothing is everything♪ now's the time. ask your doctor about skyrizi, the #1 dermatologist-prescribed biologic in psoriasis. learn how abbvie could help you save. the chase ink business premier card is made for people like sam, who make- everyday products, designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that- i need a breakthrough card. like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more. plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases. and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas- a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours. >> tech: when you get a chip in your windshield... the ink business premier card from chase for business. trust safelite. this couple was headed to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? 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i mean, if donald trump was in control of everything, down to soap placements, wouldn't he be deeply involved in the financial details of his business? >> well, alex, that's what one would think, so for those reasons, i do think that would be an attractive witness. it's a natural correlation. if you have someone who maintains this level of control over every single part of your business, your properties. it's important to follow, when you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, you're going to know what's going on. so a witness like that certainly undercuts the notion that donald trump did not know what was going on, was hands, off or removed. what you want to do is a prosecutor's paint the picture that you are not as and control of everything in one part of your universe, and in another part of your universe, completely hands-off. that's what the prosecutors will want to do with this. >> does this now turn r-a-lago workers into dangerous weapons against the classified documents case? >> potentially it does remain one of those things that i think donald trump has to make the decision what route he wants to go in terms of his defense. it's hard for him to deny that he knew the documents were there. at one point, he did try to argue that we turned over everything, we turned over everything. if that is a legal theory, or theory that he's trying to go with, the defense strategy, then a witness would come for their. what we're seeing from donald trump is a shift in direction. he's basically saying, i have the right side of these documents. he is not denying the existence, or the idea they were there. the way that these witnesses could be valuable to the prosecution, and jack smith, it's basically, when they talk about how and where they were moved, that is something i think would be a big part of jackson's case, and that donald trump, according to the department of justice, intended to obstruct a federal investigation in their recovery. >> trump's new york lawyer, alina hobbs said today that her team is about to file more motions related to the gag order and mistrial. let's watch. >> the fact that, frankly, i can't even discuss it with you. i'm his spokeswoman, i'm's attorney. that says a lot about what the judicial system, the state of our judicial system right now. >> are you going to fall to get a mistrial? >> yes. >> when will you do that? today? >> soon. very soon. >> can they file motions today, and when filing for a mistrial, would it go anywhere? would that ever be quickly dismissed? >> well, technically, anything they fell today wouldn't register until, monday because it's a weekend. the idea that they would file these things electronically, it could happen, but at the end of the day, these things are not going to go anywhere, alex. this is more posturing. not only for donald trump as her client, but for donald trump as a candidate. donald trump is trying to continue to bolster his narrative that he has been persecuted and not prosecuted. that is why i would expect that he is going to file these motions. these things are not going far out at all. it is more fodder for him to argue to is accolades that he is essentially being victimized, and surveying as -- to take on the system that is now being rigged against himself in the right. in terms of legally, this is not happening. >> so what's your assessment of how judge engoron has managed trump in. court allowing trump to attack, and while playing direct with his lawyers to rein him in, would trump have been treated differently if he were any other defendant, without secret service the tale? >> you, know, alex i'm so glad you asked that question, because people don't understand that this judge has a difficult task ahead of him. one of the things he has to ensure he does not do is make any ruling that is going to be taken, or interpreted, as being personal or against on a trump. what happens then, you're opening yourself to the notion of an appeal. he's avoided that. i also think that your point around donald trump in a former presidents, and having a 24/7 -- on three 65 security shelters a secret service, is a factor. there is no law enforcement agency, and no judged, or any one in america who wants to be responsible for the headache that would be putting donald trump behind bars, even if it's only temporary. and this is also thinking about that in terms of how that factors in to the overall circus atmosphere of what it is to have donald trump in your courtroom. this is a very delicate balancing act that is been engaged. and i guarantee you that other judges that are involved in donald trump spaces, they're taking out to see how they are going to deal with it as well. it's a tightrope to walk. >> absolutely it is. charles coleman, good to see you on the sunday. we'll see you soon. thank you. so, do you think the year has gone by fast? 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