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"katy tur reports" starts right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. it might have been a rocky week for president biden in the polls, but democrats are doing just fine at the ballot box. so what gives? in virginia, republican governor glenn youngkin failed to get gop control of the state house. democrats there held on to the senate chamber and regained the house. how much of it had to do with youngkin's bet on a quote, reasonable 15-week abortion ban. in deep red kentucky, democratic governor andy beshear was able to win a second term, beating out his trump-backed rival, daniel cameron. was it abortion that helped keep beshear in office or was it trump who helped keep cameron out? in reddening ohio, it is clear voters roundly rejected republican efforts to restrict abortion, voting to enshrine the right into the state's constitution. all of it great news for democrats, but is it also great news for president joe biden? joining us now, nbc news senior political editor, mark murray, who was at the site of tonight's gop debate on nbc news. mark, good to have you. these polls came on, i guess it was yesterday. or two days ago. the voting came last night. delp square that cireor me. the voting and polls don't seem to make muchsense? >> yeah, katy, i think the easiest way is that two things can be right tame, and true at the same time. on the one hand, democrats have been overperforming in these types of elections, pretty much going back to the 2022 midterms. and one thing that has certainly aided them is the issue of abortion, after roe v. wade's overturn, democrats have used that as a galvanizing force. the other thing that has happened in these kind of off year elections or special elections or midterms is the overall political environment that there's kind of been a realignment where the democratic party has typically ended up being the party that's more engaged on elections. they're the more educated and they have used that to their advantage. but the other thing that can actually still be true, katy, is that 2024 is going to be shaping up to be a very close race, and you know, you and i have talked about "the new york times," sienna college poll that came out over the weekend. to me, the biggest story line is all the polls seem to be closed. some show president biden up 2 or 3 points. some might show donald trump up one or two or three points. one year out, everyone should be in mind, it's going to be a close race. >> we have seen over and over again now and in the past year plus since roe v. wade was overturned that abortion is a potent electoral issue. we have seen deep red states vote to protect abortion. we have seen red districts turn blue to protect abortion. abortion has been very top of mind for voters. i wonder, is it wrong to assume that it won't be top of mind in a year from now? all of the indicators show that it's so far been a big deal. does that mean it filters up to joe biden? >> i think it's going to be a powerful force in 2024. of course we have to see what ends up happening over the course of the next year. katy, i think you're exactly right. one of the biggest shakeups in american politics was the overturning of roe v. wade. and that ended up turning a state like we saw ohio last night, which it had been reliably red in 2016, in 2020, in 2022, and then basically what we ended up getting was a 60% to 40% result in favor of abortion rights. plus or minus a couple of percentage points. so that ohio is 60/40 on an issue like abortion. and we saw similar results in a place like kansas should tell you all you need to know about how abortion is playing at least right now. >> mark murray, enjoy miami, it looks lovely down there. thanks for being with us: joining us now, doug hie and the host of simone on nbc, symone sanders townsend. guys, thanks for being here. i saw john kasich on the air an hour ago with chris jansing, saying that abortion won big in ohio last night, and so did marijuana, by the way, it doesn't mean that nationally or that on the state level for national office it's going to be a winner for democrats. not going to win ohio because voters decided that they wanted to enshrine abortion into their constitution? >> i mean, i think a democrat hasn't won ohio in a presidential in a while. it used to be a reliably purple place. it's been looking a little more red as cycles continue. that doesn't mean that he can't do well there, right? it's all about closing the margins from campaign perspective in a place that is -- you look at what happened in kentucky. the way governor beshear held on as he ran up his numbers in the urban areas. they voted for him last time, some due to daniel cameron being the chief architect of not getting breonna taylor just, but some of the rural areas, the reliably red places, he closed up the margins. that is what joe biden is going to have to do in some of the counties in michigan. >> can he do that? can joe biden do the same in purple states, states he needs to win? you look at the polling, people aren't excited for him they just are not excited for him. are the democrats relying on enough voters coming out and saying, i just can't do donald trump, i'll vote for anybody but him. >> i think joe biden has done it before. he's the president because he did it in 2020 against donald trump. and the way it's looking right now, might be against donald trump again. this is why the campaign is going to have to make sure they invest early, and they are aggressive, not just with ads but on the ground advertising. ohio didn't enshrine abortion rights because people felt good. they were communicated to and aggressively organized to understand what the issue was on the ballot. >> doug, does the issue of abortion for republicans change? does the messaging change? we heard again today that the governor of virginia, glenn youngkin, came out and repeated a 15-week ban is reasonable, even though the republicans lost both state houses in virginia. in fact, i have that sound byte, let's play it. >> abortion is potentially one of the most difficult topics in virginia and around the nation, and my hope is, continues to be, that we can find a way to come together as virginians and lead. i do believe that there is a place we can come together. common ground. this is difficult. i think virginians don't want to be extreme either direction. i think they actually want to find a place to come together, and that's what i think we tried to represent, reasonableness, and i think in the long-term, reasonableness is where people come together. >> he's continuing to say reasonable on this? he stopped himself, he almost said was, and then he said i continue to be. is that the right move for republicans? >> i think it shows how hard it is of an issue for republicans to communicate on, and also legislate on. you know, we used to hear the old phrase that was coined by tip o'neill, all politics are local. it's now that all politics are national. whatever glenn youngkin tries to do in virginia, gets defined by what happens in south carolina. voters will often hear six weeks coming from south carolina. whenever we hear ron desantis attack gavin newsom in california or vice versa, it demonstrates that what happens in florida doesn't stay in florida. what happens in california doesn't stay in california, and that becomes very tricky for republicans as state legislatures are legislating out loud and ultimately hurting republican chances at the ballot box. >> let me ask you what happened in kentucky in terms of daniel cameron, do you think it was organization or was it that beshear was a popular governor in that state or donald trump's endorsement of cameron didn't help him? >> the first-person ad looking to the camera was powerful and helpful to beshear. everything that symone talked about is what popular governors should do. it shouldn't be terribly surprising that governor beshear won reelection. he was popular. three, let's get rid of the idea that everything that happens in american politics has to do with donald trump. of course donald trump was going to support, whether it was full boar or just an endorsement, a republican candidate, but so much of our american life right now is either put in the prism of donald trump or taylor swift and it doesn't always have to be that way. >> okay. doug, sure. >> we can watch a football game, and it doesn't have to involve the eras tour. >> i don't want to watch a football game then, though. that's just me. let me ask you about democrats. we'll put taylor swift aside. does the white house really feel comfortable with joe biden? do they really feel comfortable running him for reelection? i'm serious. >> if they don't feel comfortable, they probably shouldn't work there. he's the candidate. i think it is absolutely normal for voters, democrats, even people that don't have a d behind their name to say, hey, maybe we should look at someone different. >> they weren't doing that for obama. they weren't doing that for bill clinton. >> this is a wide swath of the democratic electorate. >> look at what happened last night. andy beshear, he ran on bidenomics, he talked about the battery production facilities that were brought to kentucky, thanks to money from the biden administration. he talked about the money going in -- >> is biden good at selling his own policies. >> i think they need to stop talking about bidenomics, and tell them what it is. he talked about the money going to amtrak and rail. he told the people what it was, and so this notion that there's something wrong with joe biden and they got to get rid of him, the people on what joe biden was saying, and it worked well for them. >> symone sanders, doug hie, thank you very much. the beginning of a long conversation we're going to have for the next year. coming up next, she distanced herself from her family and her family business. what ivanka trump said today under oath. plus, nine days to go, what's happening in congress to avoid a government shut down, and who just got subpoenaed in the house? 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i have to introduce charles first, former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. everybody knows you. my bad, my friend, i'm sorry. let me ask you about what lindsey said. the prosecutors trying to get four defense witnesses removed. what is going on there? >> well, what those witnesses are intended to do is to rebut essential testimony from the prosecution, so basically they have these experts, and they have proffered the experts as being able to explain or refute what the prosecutors are putting on the in the case. the argument that letitia james is making, you're refuting witnesses we didn't put on. you give the judge a list of witnesses and who you expect to call. you don't have to abide by that. these were put on the defense's list in preparation to respond to what prosecutors said. in the absence of them making that case, the defense being able to put these witnesses on allows them unfettered access to basically create a narrative that is not being refuted by the prosecution. that's why they're fighting it. >> will they get removed? what's your outlook on that? >> unless donald trump's attorneys can put forward a reason that they should be put on the witness stand, that does not involve responding to an argument that has not been made. they will likely be prevented from testifying. >> let me talk about ivanka trump, was she a helpful witness for prosecutors? >> absolutely. even though she is no longer a defendant, what prosecutors are continuing to do is piece together a very large scale picture as to what was going on with the trump organization, and how intentional it was. be very clear, everything they're talking about with deutsche bank came from the private wealth side of what deutsche bank does, not necessarily the business management side, and that's a very important distinction. he was rejected once and went to the project side to secure these loans, specifically the loan that lindsey reiser was just discussing, and that's where the fraud came into play, most notably. >> explain a little bit more about why that matters. why was he rejected from one side, and why would the private wealth side accept him? >> the standards on the private wealth side are less stringent. they looked at his business valuations and he said this is not going to work. this doesn't make sense, and on the private wealth side, there's relaxed standards. >> how does that work? that's the same company. >> that's a banking conversation, but one that is very real and continues to be examined in different ways, but be very clear, even on the private wealth side, those decisions would not have been made in the ways that they were, but for donald trump's missed evaluations on his filing, so he was very much so aware, hey, listen, i still have to exaggerate my overall net worth, it's not going to be checked in the same way. >> what does donald trump's team have to present in order to not get a fine leveed against them and to continue to operate in the state of new york. >> liability, we know is settled. in terms of what the penalty is or the extremity of the penalty, they have to make the compelling case that this was not as intentional or as methodical or as constructed as it appears to be. it was just sloppy. >> very sloppy, and you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars as a business in new york state, and so that in and of itself isn't going to get them free and clear from any sort of penalty, but the more that they can put it on happenstance and sort of -- place the blame on the accountant. >> place the blame on experts that did not do what they were supposed to do as opposed to to their ultimate neglect of their fiduciary duties, that's where they begin to try to escape the harshest of harshest penalties. >> charles coleman, thank you very much. we should have a banker on to explain why the two branches have different rules. appreciate it. why some members of president biden's family just got from the house oversight committee, and it was not a gift. first, though, breaking news in the death of president of a detroit synagogue, what we know after the break. t nasygogue, wh after the break. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. sometimes jonah wrestles with falling asleep... ...so he takes zzzquil. the world's #1 sleep aid brand for a better night sleep. so now, he wakes up feeling like himself. the reigning family room middle-weight champion. better days start with zzzquil nights. is this for me? 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>> she was at her home, and apparently she was found outside of her home, but there was evidence derived that the actual altercation took place inside the home. that's a question mark. bottom line, we need more information from the wayne county prosecutors in wayne county. they're going to be releasing more information soon. >> presumably they'll have a news conference about this because it did get national attention. we'll wait to see if they announce it. let me ask you about interesting breaking news out of brooklyn. ten members of the gambino crime family arrested. >> arrested today, yes. members and associated of the family. on top of that, six individuals in italy as part of kind of a coordinated effort in sicily arrested as well. one remains at large overseas. this effort, i think, surprised some folks because i think there's been a feeling in the general public that the mafia in new york city is just not something that's relevant anymore, and these allegations today if proven true, indicate the exact opposite. the carting industry or the garbage industry, to the demolition industry. it's the thing that the mafia thinks they do best, which is extortion, and there was violence associated with this as well. >> what sort of violence? >> an employee refused to give up money for a tribute, was hit with a hammer until they were sent to the hospital. a fire on the front porch of a residence. and a bat discovered as part of a court authorized search, used to threaten people. >> a metal bat, no less. >> this was not small time stuff, and i think of interest to people following organized crime, we learned from this charging document today that one of the individuals actually was inducted in what we would call being made into the mafia and that they had a series of text messages which seemed to confirm it as well as fbi surveillance photos indicates to me they knew when it was going to happen. i suspect we'll hear more details about this, katy. >> really interesting not what i was expecting to hear today. tom, thank you very much. we're also going to stay in new york where the trump organization fraud trial underwent on another break. joining us now from outside of the courtroom, is msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. she's been inside the courtroom for ivanka's testimony and her cross-examination. what has been going on the last few minutes, lisa? >> reporter: you know, we are on, katy, ivanka's cross-examination by jesus suarez, one of chris kise's partners. probably a deliberate choice, to have her cross examined by someone she doesn't know intimately and not associated with her father and his fare's team. i want to go back to her direct because at the very end of her direct, they elicited some information that also made my jaw drop, and it's this. donald trump, as part of his lending agreements with deutsche bank promised them a number of things. one of them is that he guaranteed that he could repay the principal and the income and the operating expenses of whatever asset he was borrowing for. and that's a big guarantee. what we learned today is that behind the scenes, donald trump entered into an agreement with each of his three adult children, whereby they pledged assets of their own that helped them satisfy the guarantee, which according to deutsche bank, was his and his alone. he was borrowing money from his kids' piggy banks and i'm not sure the impact of that struck everyone in the courtroom. my jaw almost dropped. i almost dropped my phone on the floor. i was just astonished by the proof that donald trump was robbing peter to pay paul, so to speak. >> this is her leaving a few minutes ago. she's done on cross-examination, is that correct? 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oday bashear is 21. he has been sending us his reflections of his life. three years after i first met him, his videos now are of a world falling apart. >> everything is empty. >> reporter: he shows us his neighbor's house, destroyed last week. >> i just remember the face of this little girl and little boy, the face of him. his face, the smell of blood, the smell of death. i don't know why we have to experience all of this. >> reporter: the sight of gazans leaving their homes heading south tells two stories. it is a humanitarian passage, yes, but for them, it is a displacement from homes they believe they will never return to. an echo of their history. >> joining us now, is nbc news foreign correspondent josh lederman. talk to me a little bit more about this three-day pause. >> reporter: well, according to multiple diplomats who have spoken to nbc news, katy, the idea here is to move past this chicken and egg nature of the discussion so far where hamas says have a cease fire, and then we'll release the hostages. israel says release all the hostages and we'll have a cease fire, and at least have a medium step in that direction by releasing somewhere between 10 and 15 hostages during a cease fire of up to three days in which more humanitarian aid will also be brought into the gaza strip. as we have seen from the last several weeks, these types of negotiations fall apart quickly, they take a long time if they ever reach fruition, and the israeli government is pushing back pretty hard on this now, katy. we heard from the idf spokesman saying no cease fire, and we're hearing from prime minister netanyahu saying there will be no cease fire without a deal to release all of the hostages. he says any discussion to the contrary is simply false. >> josh lederman, thank you very much. and joining us now is reuters white house correspondent jeff mason. jeff, i want to ask you a little bit about the administration. this is a conversation we haven't gone into depth on. i wonder, what is the comfort level of the biden administration privately about what israel is doing. publicly they have been staunchly on israel's side. they have started to measure their comments recently saying, you know, blinken today saying that gaza should not be reoccupied in response to something that benjamin netanyahu said yesterday, what's the feeling instead the white house? >> so the language of diplomacy is coded, right, and when you hear somebody like tony blinken or john kirby or the president of the united states, saying you need to follow the rules of war or israel can't reoccupy gaza, that is an indication that the private conversations are probably even more intense than that, and i think to your question, what is their level of comfort, it's not high. i mean, the biden administration, not to mention israel, is under significant pressure to somehow put the brakes on these deaths of palestinian civilians. >> what are they willing to do to leverage that influence that they have? i mean, we're sending them a whole lot in terms of finances, but also military might. is there any willingness to pull back on some of that to get israel to pull back on the striking of gaza? >> none that i have seen. i mean, as you said at the beginning, biden has been very supportive of israel from the beginning, and that dates back to his history as a senator. it comes from, i think, inside joe biden to be a stalwart supporter of israel. it's not something they would consider stopping aid. >> democrats are more divided on this than they have been in the past, is he facing pressure within the party. does he have electoral concerns about standing so closely to israel? >> for sure. palestinians and arabs are a constituency, and they are going to help determine the election in 2024. there's a humanitarian piece to all of this of course but also a political one. >> i had ron dermer, the former ambassador to israel from the u.s., he's in the war cabinet, and he was telling me, which i thought was pretty remarkable, that israel's plan for gaza is the same as what the u.s. did in japan, a multi decade occupation, even though he said they won't be occupying it. i don't understand how those two things can be reconciled, but saying israel is going to be propping up the palestinians in gaza much the same way we did with japan, which, by the way, is still not really -- doesn't really have an army. is the administration ready for that sort of commitment? are they talking to them about that style of commitment, a marshall plan like we did in germany? he also mentioned that. >> i think it's telling that he made a comparison to the united states and japan, in part, probably to bolster their argument if that's indeed what they end up doing. >> they're clearly on a pr campaign among americans to try and maintain support. >> for sure. the other answer to your question is based on what secretary blinken said, that's not something the u.s. wants to support. >> jeff mason, thank you very much. good to see you in person. >> you too. up next, why members of the biden family were just subpoenaed by the house oversight committee. oversight committee. i own a lemonade and ice cream shop in florida, so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i'm still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i'm really, really happy with the results. it's still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. i was a bit nervous at first but then i figured it's just walking, right? 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>> it's possible. there is a big measure there. kentucky is going to become very probably the center of battery production for electric vehicles, and that battery production will be done in some of the largest plants in the world. maybe the largest battery plants in the world. the question will be, can the uaw organize them? in the recent negotiations, the path to organizing, having a friendly governor there and having friendly people in the state on the ground, that's a big thing. >> we were talking about how abortion was a big driver in these elections. can you tell me where the union issue falls on this? is it up next to abortion? where is it? >> it's not up to abortion. abortion is the dominant issue. and we have to recognize that. what is interesting is that unions used to avoid abortion. they used to avoid a lot of the social issues. what you saw in ohio was a fascinating thing. the unions were all in with the abortion rights folks. there was a real linkage there. you saw that somewhat in kentucky as well. what that means is that you're starting to find a merger between social and economic issues for democrats. that's a big deal for them. it's very mobilizing. one of the big things is that among voters, two of the biggest issues are protecting abortion rights and building out labor unions. >> let me ask but what happened in alleghany county. it's an interesting county. it's in pennsylvania which is a presidential deciding state. also in a county that is one that is not so blue. talk to me about who won there. >> sarah, a state rep in pennsylvania. innamorato is young, active, and she ran as a passionate supporter of labor rights. she had a lot of key union endorsements. not all of them but a lot of them. one of her promises is that if she's elected as county executive, she will set up a program within the county executive's office to help build out unions, to strengthen unions in alleghany county. this is an important factor because alleghany county with about 1.2, 1.3 million people, is bigger than a lot of states. >> we only have a couple seconds left but what do you think this means for joe biden? >> it's good news for joe biden. he's very close to unions. unions showed they can really deliver for their candidates here. so he's had bad polls recently but the results from tuesday night were pretty encouraging for him. >> thanks for joining us. and that will do it for me today. 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