>> i've told you, i hate to have to do this. things are being done, things are going as normal. i mean, it is just -- i hate it that a lot of these officers are having to go through this. >> senator tuberville is so sorry, and in the same breath claims it's not a big deal that key positions in our armed forces are going unfilled because of him. even fellow republicans are done with him. also tonight, eric trump gets testy on the witness stand in the new york fraud case after claiming, i know nothing about the trump organization's financial statements that he -- when he was shown evidence that he did know. oops. plus, the more you learn about speaker mike johnson, the more you realize that behind that mild mannered temperament is an extremist with a history of inflammatory rhetoric on lgbtq issues. and a live report from the israel gaza border after a day of intense bombardment as israeli soldiers encircle gaza city. >> we begin tonight with the second day of testimony from donald trump's adult sons in the $250 million civil fraud trial against donald trump's family and their company. eric trump took the stand today, following his brother don jr., who testified for hours on wednesday and again today. turns out the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, rather, it clings to the tree rather desperately, sounding very much like donald trump himself in their deflections and denials. eric and don testified they had no involvement with documents that a judge has ruled were fraudulently manipulated to inflate the value of their father's business. those major financial statements presented to them in court, what documents? eric said he was not even aware that such documents existed. as for errors in those financial statements, don jr. shifted blame, insisting it was the accountants' fault. >> before even having a day in court, i'm apparently guilty of fraud for relying on my accountants to do, wait for it, accounting. think about that. what does that do for literally any other business? you pay experts millions of dollars to be experts. you sign off on what they give you. and you're liable. >> okay. shortly after eric trump testified he had never worked on the trump organization's statement of financial condition, that he didn't know anything about it until this case came to fruition, new york attorney general letitia james' office got him to acknowledge that he was aware of those statements as far back as 2013. trump's two adult sons have spent their careers at their father's company. the trump organization -- his company, the trump organization, eric worked as an executive vice president at the company. trump continues to rage about his children having to testify at his fraud trial, sending dime store fake tweets like the ones you see here. remember, for trump, it's the new york fraud case that hits closest to home, and not just because of his sons. he's taking a potentially massive hit to his business and his self image. and it doesn't even spare ivanka. trump and his daughter ivanka trump are expected to take the stand next week. ivanka has filed a notice that she is appealing the judge's order that she testify. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst lisa reuben who was in court today. tell us about these fireworks, lisa. >> joy, today was one of those days that was one of the most bonkers things i have ever seen in court. the problem is every time i come out of this trial, i say some variation of that. today was a tale of two brothers, and we saw really temperamental differences between the two trumps as well as substantive differences between what they did at the company. when don jr. says that he did not have involvement in the creation of his father's financial statements, i actually take him at his word. i think he actually did not have that involvement. the problem is, the argument that he made to the court that, wait for it, he relied on accountants to do the accounting doesn't hold up here. the types of financial statements that were being created are called compilations, and in a compilation of a financial statement, the accountants don't do digging to verify the information presented to them. rather, they rely on the client to provide them with accurate and true data about the financial state of the company or a person. and that's indeed what donald trump jr. himself verified to muceres and lately to whitley penn, their two accounting firms. eric was different. don jr. was pleasant, he gave admissions easily. may it seem like nothing big happened with him. eric on the other hand refused to give an inch all day long. as you noted, in your opening, eric basically disclaimed responsibility for anything and everything except that the documents show that he actually did have some responsibility. so it's sort of a case of the evolving eric trump. no, i had nothing to do with iterse oh, i might have had a little something to do with it. at the end of the day, we're really going to see the blockbuster, eric trump's deposition in 2020 where he took the fifth over 500 times. >> lisa reuben, thank you for sitting in on the senanigans for us. let's bring in michael cohen, trump's former personal lawyer. he's the host of the mea culpa and political beatdown podcast and the author of revenge. good to see you, michael. i want to get you to respond to that. don jr. claiming he had no involvement whatsoever in the statements of financial condition and just relied on the accountants. eric trump being a little more squirrely on that. your thoughts. >> so, one of the things that don jr. stated, i read in the paper, is that he was really just a broker. now, i'm not even really sure what that means. yeah, he may have his brokerage license here in new york, but that's not what his job entailed. then you have eric trump's earlier testimony where he stated, get a load of this one, joy, that he poured concrete. now, i can tell you emphatically that eric trump has never poured concrete in his life. he probably couldn't even figure out how to make quick set using just the quick set and water in a bucket. i mean, it is so fundamentally flawed that it's comical. i mean, and i could understand lisa reuben's comments about the tale of two brothers. it was more of a comedy than anything. >> you know, the other piece of it is that, you know, you had another confrontation with the judge over his clerk. and this sort of seeming obsession that donald trump and one of his lawyers has with this clerk. what do you make of the fact, we know the first part of the case is over. they have already been adjudicated guilty of fraud. all that the judge gets to decide how much they have to pay. what do you make of the fact they don't seem to be understanding that pissing this judge off is a bad idea? >> chris kise, there's something seriously wrong with him. he attacked me vociferously when i was on the stand, getting up, calling me all sorts of -- that's all they do, is they know how to denigrate. it's not going to bode well for him. it's about the last thing that you want to do. especially when your co-counsel messed up and failed to check the box for the jury trial, hence of course why it's a bench trial right now. so before you want to sit there and attack, even after the judge has now sanctioned trump twice and placed the gag order on to him, all they're really doing is playing to a party of one. and how many times have i said this to the public? to those people who are maga supporters, whether it's maga supporters who are members of congress, look at what happened to me. i promise you, the same thing is going to happen to you if you don't wake up and extricate yourself from the cult. all chris kise is doing is playing to a party of one. why? i have no idea. >> and to your point about the cult and the big lie is the center of it. we have seen now that members of congress really have to get out of congress if they're republicans and don't accept the big lie. there's an interesting thing that's come out through this trial. donald trump jr.'s cross-examination, prosecutors presented a document dated january 15th, 2021, that shows the former president reinstating himself as trustee of the donald trump trust, full control would be returned to the former president on january 20, twunt 21, the day he left the white house. that means he knows he lost, right? >> it sure sounds like that. otherwise, why would he sign that document to take control back? obviously, he knows that if you are the president of the united states and if he really thought that he won and there was a legitimate challenge, he certainly wouldn't be asking to take back control because if in fact he was right, well, then he would have to go ahead and redo the documents all over again, transferring the authority again to don jr. and to eric and to allen weisselberg as the trustee. so it clearly shows that he knew that he lost. why he ended up -- i mean, again, there's no thought when it comes to this group. they just do things and then afterwards when confronted, what do they do? exactly what they accuse everyone else of doing, they deflect and they lie. >> let me also talk about donald trump's demeanor here at this point. i think it's clear that this case is enraging him, because it is about his money. there's an excerpt from jonathan karl's book on trump's outburst at one of his attorneys when the judge announced the court date of march 25th, 2024, and this actually in the case about the insurrection, he screamed at him, this is going to be in the middle of the primaries. if i lose the presidency, you're going to be the reason. we also had trump talking about i'm your retribution and that kind of thing and that reaction to things. steve bannon, one ofis aides, has said that he couldn't stop touting trump saying that, refein to it as his come retrue biegz speech. that served as the code words for the confederate secret service's plot to take hostage and eventually assassinate president lincoln. the escalating rhetoric in your view, what does that bode for us? >> well, look, i have often said, and i'm going to say it again on your show tonight, so hopefully people pay attention. you must listen to what donald trump says. he's not just speaking, you know, boldly and blindly. he's telling you exactly what's on his mind, probably foolish, but he is telling us what's on his mind, and more importantly, what he intends to do. so when he says that on day one, if he wins, he's going to rewrite the constitution, he's not joking. he thinks that he can rewrite the constitution. and if somehow because of all of the sycophants that are there, he manages at least to delay or to get ahold of the full power of the united states government by taking the power away from the judiciary and the legislative and conveying it upon the executive branch, i'm telling you, that's what he thinks he can do. and that's what he will try to do. he is by far the single most dangerous thing to happen to american democracy, maybe in the united states history. >> how much more dangerous does he become if he loses a large chunk of his wealth due to this trial? >> you know what, i think more important than that is what happens if he loses the election again. because look, i have often said that one of the things that donald will do is he's a copycat. he likes strong men. we know this. likening it to the fact of the relationship with muhammad been salmon, with kim jong-un, with vladimir putin. i think he'll end up copying. i know this sounds hyperbolic but it's not. this is actually what i truly believe knowing him as well as i do. he will try to do or he will attempt to do exactly what muhammad been salmon did when he grabbed all of the other royals and took i don't even know, $150 billion from them. that will be nothing compared to what trump will do to folks like elon musk, mark zuckerberg, bill gates, warren buffett, the waltons. he will go to each and every one of them and take from them the bulk of their assets. if you think that this is something he's not going to try, or he's not thinking about, you would be wrong. it's exactly what he's thinking, that overnight he will be the richest man in the world. he'll just say to elon musk, i know you think you're worth $300 billion. i'm going to let you keep one, but you're signing over the over 299 to me. that's how strong men work. >> it's certainly what vladimir putin did as well. scary stuff, but scaring is caring as we say on the show. believe what your eyes are telling you about this man. >> exactly. >> michael cohen, thank you as always. much appreciated. up next on "the reidout," coach tommy tuberville is starting to catch heat from all sides now, as his republican senate colleagues ramp up their pressure campaign to get him to lift his pointless hold on military promotions. 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[ cheers ] yeah! woho! running up and down that field looks tough. it's a pitch. get way more into what you're into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. prior to becoming wam bam's senior senator, tommy tuberville was a fairly successful football coach at auburn university. he translated that experience into a new gig in the united states senate. how he managed to pull off any of that is a marvel considering that shortly after winning that senate seat, he told reporters that the three branches of government are the house, the senate, and the executive. alabama's constitutional scholar and insurrectionist enabler is currently responsible for holding up nearly 400 military nominations and promotions due to his opposition of the pentagon's abortion travel policy. at first, he probably thought it would score him political points and media attention, which it did. but now, with all of the issues that we're facing around the world, people are sick and tired of the theatrics. sources in the department of defense are holding him personally responsible for the marine corps chief's hospitalization due to a heart attack. general eric smith had been filling both the number one and the number two marine corps posts from july until he was finally confirmed as commandant in september. he was part of the tuberville blockade. an official told politico, i cannotelp to think because at the end of the day eric smith is a human, tuberville's unnecessary stress he's put on the situation where you don't have a backup has added a level of complexity and danger to an already bad situation. you know who else is sick of tuberville's bs? republicans. who led an effort to move nominations forward just last night. >> you have just denied this lady a promotion. you did that. no matter whether you believe it or not, this is doing great damage to our military. i don't say that lightly. >> what are we doing to these military men and women? politics are being injected right here, today. >> we're going to look back at this episode and just be stunned at what a national security suicide mission this became. >> and they kept up their attacks this morning. >> senator tuberville says there's no risk to the military. >> there absolutely is risk to the military. and that's maybe because he hasn't served in uniform, he doesn't understand how the promotion system works. >> it's dangerous time. we need to field our entire national security team including these military officers who deserve their promotions. >> if we normalize this and every senator follows the lead of senator tuberville, you'll ruin the military. >> this afternoon, the senate was able to confirm three critical nominations but 300 remain blocked. democrats are considering tweaking senate rules for the rest of this year to allow a process for the senate to pass multiple military nominations together. it would not apply to other nominations and it's something republicans do not like. joining me now is paul rieckhoff, founder of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america and host of the independent americans podcast. paul, good to see you. it is pretty astounding that tuberville is still keeping this up. i want to play a piece of sound for you. he keeps saying things like i'm going to keep this up because i have principles and all they have to do is change their policy and i'll stop, but i want you to listen to what he said in august on the kimberly guilfoyle podcast. >> i don't care if they promote everybody, to be honest with you. we have 44 four-star generals now. we only had seven in world war ii. i think we're overloaded to begin with. >> there you have it, he doesn't care if anybody gets promoted. >> what we're overloaded with is stupid senators. this man is radical. he's racist. he's reckless. and he's a political suicide bomber. he is maybe the most dangerous member of the senate right now because of all those reasons. he's willing to go in there and blow it all up over his personal agenda, which is to try to deny reproductive rights to women in the military, which is absurd in its own right, but by linking those two, he's kept this going for months and months. it's about damn time somebody took him on. i have been talking to you about this for months. a lot of whining, a lot of complaining, and now democrats and republicans are finally taking him on. i think it's hitting him. dan sullivan is a marine corps veteran himself. joni ernst has served in the military. tuberville is so bad and radical and stupid, he's making lindsey graham look good. that's what's happening now. it's so ridiculous what he's done, and it's not just hurting our military. it's hurting our allies. hurting ukraine, israel, everybody else who depends on the american military right now. >> you know, the senate armed services committee majority put together a report i have in front of me. it's really kind of shocking when you go through and read, you're talking about 20 officers selected that have to assume duties of their higher grade officers so people have to do multiple jobs. there are kids who can't be enrolled in school because their parents don't know where they're going to live. it also pointed out if tomm tuberville got his way on the policy for abortion travel, members of the united states military would actually have fewer rights than federal prisoners. your thoughts. >> yeah, that's right. that's the world that tommy tuberville wants to create. a radical. and he's been backed up by about ten other members of the senate that i have talked to you about before. i call them the confederate wing of the gop. they want to drag our military back to the 1800s. they don't want women to have rights. they don't want there to be diversity, they don't want us to be strong and be ready to defend our enemies and they decided the military is the place to wage their culture war. i think republicans have had enough, in part because they see it's bad politics. they understand it's hurting the gop. it's going to hurt them in the general election. the democrats have underplayed this. i wish they hit them harder on this more often. last night, joy, it was almost like a saturday night live skit. he kept standing up saying i object, i object. 61 times he objected to honorable american heroes being brought before the senate. and he's not going to stop. so they're going to have to run him over, have to go around him. i hope reasonable republicans will run against him. this guy is an embarrassment not just to alabama and the gop, he's an embarrassment to the entire country. >> i don't have a reasonable republican to play, so i'm going to play josh hawley instead. >> what should the republican leaders do? >> give a solution, i mean, what are they good for? what is mitch mcconnell doing here to try to resolve it? i think it's embarrassing he allows this to go forward on the floor. >> a broken clock is right once a day, and josh hawley is an insurrectionist, but he isn't wrong. where is mitch mcconnell? there's a sense in which it seems he's lost control of his caucus. he's supposedly this master manipulator of his caucus. why can't he stop this? >> because he doesn't want to, or maybe because he's a coward or he doesn't want to prioritize our national security. i don't know why, but i think he's misplayed this politically. he's endangered our national security. now we families around the globe that can't move, and we have the marine corps comndt who was driven into the ground, worked so hard he had a heart attack. this is what happens when you ask hundreds of military officers to do multiple jobs in a time of combat. we didn't have a marine corps commandant and didn't have someone ready because tuberville was blocking all the replacements. that's why we have marines in embassies in places like israel. it's thrown a political hand grenade in the entire establishment and mcconnell has misplayed it, and now he's got someone outranking him. his failure to prioritize patriotism over partisan politics. tuberville is an extremist and he has to be marginalized and neutralized. >> and religious extremism and as you said, this sort of anti-woke, go back to the confederate era agenda, it's bizarre, and he seems to be getting away with it. paul rieckhoff, thank you. up next, the new speaker of the house, mike johnson, is letting it all hang out. leaving no doubt about his extremist views on lgbtq issues and abortion rights. i'll tell you why voters should be very concerned about it after this quick break. reak he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ honey, i think i heard something. ok. ♪ from christmas tree mats... to floorliners... cargo liners.... no drill mud flaps... seat protectors... and more... weathertech has the perfect holiday gift. honey, is everything ok? oh yeah. order at weathertech.com and don't forget weathertech gift cards. . uhave to think republicans chose mike johnson to be house speaker precisely because everyone would say who? yet every day, it seems we learn something new about the zealotry behind his ned flanders exterior. we already knew johnson spent most of the 2000s trying to block freedoms for lgbtq people, as an attorney for the alliance defending freedom. according to cnn, while working with adf, johnson gave legal advice to and worked with an organization called exodus that promoted so-called gay conversion therapy, and in 2008, he blamed homosexuality for the fall of the roman empire. yeah, the whole roman empire. there's also new details about his work as a private lawyer, prior to going into politics. in 2014, he was one of several attorneys representing the state of louisiana in a case to block a mother from adopting her wife's biological son. that case became moot after the supreme court legalized same-sex marriage in 2015, which johnson says he respects as a rule of law guy. >> i respect the rule of law. but i also genuinely love all people. regardless of their lifestyle choices, this is not about the people themselves. i am a bible believing christian. >> yeah, except that since being in congress, johnson has voted against federal recognition of same-sex marriage, sponsored a federal don't say gay law like the one ron desantis put in place in florida and partners with marjorie taylor greene herself on legislation to block gender affirming care for transgender teens. here he is on that topic four months ago. >> contrary to what some of my democrat colleagues believe, the courage of radical gender idelology is very real. >> the most vehemently anti-lgbtq politician since mike pence is now second in line to the presidency. as for the people who have to work with speaker johnson, during the fourth and final speaker vote last week, congressman angie craig of minnesota used her vote to make a special shout out. >> craig. >> happy wedding anniversary to my wife. hakeem jeffries. >> representative angie craig joins me now. congresswoman, thank you for being here. and you know, you are a history maker. you are the first lesbian mom elected to congress, and you had actually quite a legal battle in order to legally adopt your eldest son. you helped establish the rights of lgbtq couples in tennessee. you have a lot of personally at stake in these issues. i want to ask you, what is your level of concern, fear, worry about what mike johnson might try to do legislatively to your community? >> well, first, let me say it's great to be with you, and more importantly, my wife absolutely loves you, joy. let me start by shouting it out here today as well. >> thank you. >> look, we have been fighting people like mike johnson for the last 30 years. my entire adulthood, my wife and i, we have four wonderful sons. the youngest is 20 and the oldest is 26. and you're exactly right. we battle this kind of homophobia and discrimination our entire adult lives. sadly, i thought that the republican conference was moving a little bit past it because i come from one of the swingiest districts in america, and guess what, they keep sending this lesbian mother of four to congress. so republicans in my district have moved past this kind of discrimination, and i don't know when republicans here in congress and in particular mike johnson are going to get the message that this is not something, this kind of discrimination and hate is not something that the american people are moving toward. they're moving away from it. >> you know, you make a good point because there is a question about whether republicans thought through what the impact of him once people sort of know more about him will be on their reelects. the human rights campaign president, kelly robinson tweeted mike johnson is someone who doesn't hesitate to scream his hatred for the lgbtq plus community from the rooftops while introducing legislation that seeks to erase us from society and history. this is the kicker. everyone who voted for him will have a stain on their record. do you foresee people essentially using this in elections not just his re-elect, but every member that voted for him? >> i think it really shows you exactly what the republican conference has become. and the fact that my colleagues on a unanimous basis voted for someone who doesn't support the right to my family to even exist, the fact that they on a unanimous basis supported someone who supports a federal abortion ban, and voted and worked to overturn the 2020 election, i think it shows you exactly what the republican conference has become. and i think on the topic of lgbtq equality, i know my voters have moved past this discussion. you know, it wasn't the fall of the roman empire, and when we got marriage equality in 2016, my wife and i had already been married in another state for many, many years. so it certainly hasn't been the fall of minnesota either, when we made same-sex marriage legal. and all of this is sort of coming around, again, for me because, you know, my first foray into any sort of public government, lobbying for my own, just field organizing, it was for the marriage equality battle in minnesota all those years ago. so i really just worked 22 years in the private sector, and woke up one day and said, you know what, we have a lot that we need to go fix and accomplish. and part of that was passing the equality act. and i just don't believe the american people are going to want to go backward on these topics at all. >> and you know, i think this is the challenge. is that the american people in a majority, you are right. all the polls say they don't want to go back. but americans also didn't want to go backwards on abortion. we have a supreme court that doesn't care what most americans want. they roldack abortion, and clarence thomas has indicated he would love to have an opportunity tols get rid of the right to have contraception. he would love to overturn marriage equality and also would love to overturn the lawrence v. texas case which literally would allow states to criminalize same-sex couples. are you concerned that maybe people on the democratic side aren't taking the religious fanatics seriously, aren't taking christian nationalists seriously when they say they are going to roll it all back? >> well, that's, of course, why in the last says of congress we felt so strongly about getting the respect for marriage act across the finish line, because when the dobbs decision came out, when this supreme court said precedent no longer matters, it should be a call for us all to take them very, very serious. i also think this is much like the dobbs decision, a little bit like the dog that caught the car, if they accomplish anything close to this. i can't tell you the number of times i have had republican constituents come up to me and say look, you know, i don't always vote for democrats, but i tell you what, my son is gay, or my daughter is a lesbian, or my granddaughter, and thank you for representing. thank you for telling us openly, hey, my name is angie. i have a wife, and we have four sons. and oh, by the way, let's go fix the damn roads and make health care more affordable. you know, it's just -- it's become something that is really meaningful back home in our district. >> well, congresswoman angie craig, thank you for being here. please tell your wife hello and thanks for watching. we really appreciate you both. have a great evening. >> thanks, joy. you just did. >> thank you. all right, bye. >> coming up, anti-semitism and anti-muslim sentism surge as far right politicians and pundits fan the flames of bigotry with their disgusting rhetoric. that plus a live report from the israel/gaza border is straight ahead. today, dick durbin became the first u.s. senator for call for a cease-fire in the israel/hamas war. it comes as israeli forces say they have completed the encirclement of gaza city, while over the past few hours the sky in gaza has been lit up by a flood of flares and explosions. ellison barber joined me from the israel/gaza border. >> reporter: joy, we were standing here reporting as we watched those flares, that flood of activity happen in what appeared to be the outskirts of the northwest outskirts of gaza city. we're in a bit of a lull right now. in the last 30 minutes or so where things have been a little quieter. the night started with the images you were showing of flares, massive amounts of flares in the sky, in this pocket. kind of over here and underneath the flares we could see a number of explosions taking place on the ground as well as just plumes of smoke coming up. that started to happen not long after a spokesperson with israel's defense forces had said in a briefing that israeli forces had completed, that's how he described it, completed the encirclement of gaza city. those flares according to what military experts were saying as they watched some of those images with us, were saying it appeared that a bunch of flares had been sent up and were staying up as ground operations were moving forward. we have since then heard a lot of heavy caliber artillery fired into the direction of northern gaza. in recent days, hamas has released various images, various videos showing their fighters on the ground, using that intricate tunnel system to target israeli tanks. israel has been very clear they plan to continue expanding this war and this particular phase on the ground for the foreseeable future. they have told israeli citizens again and again to prepare for a long, difficult war. this next phase, we presume, will be more face-to-face combat inside gaza city. that prior to the war was the most populated city in the gaza strip. what will happen there is what is described as urban combat, which is incredibly difficult for any military. it's often very bloody. we have seen it in a lot of wars that have taken place in ukraine in the last couple years. but a thing that is an added component here is the fact hamas does have an incredibly intricate tunnel system underneath gaza they'll be able to use moving forward. a lot of civilians have been told to evacuate. there are over 1.4 million internally displaced gazans. but the reality is any time we see a strike inside gaza, civilians tend to be impacted because there is really nowhere for them to go to find safety. >> wow. ellison barber, thank you very much. and stay safe. meanwhile, a new warning from fbi director christopher wray about the potential threats we face here at home. >> here in the united states, our most immediate concern is that violent extremists, individuals or small groups, will draw inspiration from the events in the middle east to carry out attacks against americans going about their daily lives. that includes not just home-grown violent extremists inspired by a foreign terrorist organization, but also domestic violent extremists targeting jewish or muslim communities. >> it comes as we're seeing an alarming rise in hate against both the jewish and muslim communities. the anti-defamation league says in the two weeks following the hamas attack in israel, it's seen a nearly 400% increase in reported anti-semitic incidents. and the council on american islamic relations has reported incidents of islamophobia are up 182%. just this week, the justice department charged a las vegas man who lt voice mails threatening to kill nevada senator jacky rosen who is jewish, over israel's military attacks on gaza. a cornell university student was charged with makgnline threats that included threatening to violently assault and kill jewish students at the university. and an illinois man who fatally stabbed a 6-year-old palestinian american boy was in court facing murder and hate crime charges. and while the response to this should be to condemn all forms of hate, some on the right are instead adding fuel to the fire, using disgusting rhetoric, frankly, against muslims and arab americans. jesse waters did this unhinged rant yesterday on fox. >> i want to say something about arab americans. and about the muslim world. when i say we, i mean the west and western technology, have created the middle got that oil out of the ground. our military protects all of these oil shipments, flying around the world, making them rich. we fund their military. we respect their kings. we kill their terrorists. okay? but we have had it. we have had it with them. >> wow. while republican congressman brian mast made this vulgar comparison on the house floor. >> i would encourage the other side to not so likely through around the idea of innocent palestinian civilians, as this frequently said. i don't think we would so lightly throw around the term innocent nazi civilian joining during world war ii. >> joining me now is peter strzok, author of the book compromised. -- jesse waters. -- white house spokesperson told the daily beast, fox owes an apology to every single viewer for the sickening attack on the rights and dignity of their fellow americans. president biden will always stand up against islamophobia, antisemitism and all forms of hate. fox news should learn from examples. what's your response? >> that's absolutely right. look, there's only so much that long forsman can do. you can double the number of fbi agents, you can add tens of thousands of police officers. but that is not going to stop snowman illinois from stepping a six year old child. that is not going to stop some man from calling into a nevada senator and making threats. that is a result of statements that are being made by political leadership, state instead of being made by some of the media. it is abhorrent, and it needs to stop. unfortunately, i think what we are seeing is the dialogue in america going the other way. even don trump is calling for a institution of the muslim travel ban, if he is reelected. these are the exact opposite of the sort of statements we need to be hearing from political and media leaders. >> the sort of standard term for that is incitement. so, when you are seeing, even members of congress inciting hatred against entire communities of people in the united states because of something that is happening thousands of miles away, they're -- like you said, law enforcement can't do anything about that. is there some way that people are going to have to increase their personal security? because what you are seeing is a lot of jewish americans buying guns. right? they are saying, we have to arm ourselves. and you are seeing a lot of arab and muslim american just rolling up their heads and saying, who is even got our back? >> look, i think that is a conundrum, right? director christopher wray's testimony is today said, even people should try and continue to live their lives, but to be vigilant. but he had an amazing statistic. he said that roughly 2.4% of the population of the united states jewish. yet, they face almost 60% of religious based crime. and so, when you have that sort of threat, it does not matter if you are genuinely safe. that can't help but had some sort of psychological impact. so, the challenge, of course, is to try to continue to live your life as normal, but in the face of these threats, you can't help but be impacted by that, regardless of your community. jewish, islamic, or otherwise. >> is there something that college campuses could be doing differently? because there are a lot of the sort of threats and the environment is really becoming tense, even on college campuses, which is supposed to be a safe play for students. >> absolutely, and natalie is safe place, but a safe place to share exchange ideas. >> right. >> there's certainly a fine line between legitimate discourse, but there's absolutely no place for hate speech. so, colleges and universities, i think, need to be very cognizant of the fact that, yes, you want to encourage debate. yes, you want to encourage freedom of expression. but there is absolutely no place for outright hate speech. and sadly, we are seeing at cornell university, we saw a student who was arrested for making these abhorrent threats and comments. so, i think, particularly in academic settings, this is something we are, academic leaders really need to move forward and encourage that debate and dialogue. but, at the same time, make it very clear that there is a bright line when it comes to hear that absolutely will not be tolerated, whatever side of the issue you are. on >> right, and i'm glad you said. that because making the debate possible, because there is also been people being punished for speech when people are simply trying to make an advocate for positions peacefully and they are being punished for that and doxxed, at sadder up. are you concerned about this combination, as i am, of the kind of displacement of rage away from what is happening? they're not just focusing on the tragedy and on the loss of life and on children being killed, but then turning that into hate speech here? at the same time, we are also seeing this rise in christian asheville's i'm here, in which people are, essentially, declaring the united states to be a christian nation. and there is implications there that other communities are not. welcome >> it is certainly dangerous, i think, joy, when you look at anytime a government clearly south gate's himself, or any member of the government tries to associate themselves with a faith in the context in the context of that faith being a guiding principle, not just for their behavior, but for the government. >> right. >> and so when you see this, i think, to me, it's dangerous, number one, because it marginalizes people or an out of the faith. and the other thing is we have a strong tradition, going back to the federalist papers and their founding fathers -- >> yeah. >> yes, there's an acknowledgment of, godmother is also a clear separation of. state >> that's right. >> this is taking it the other way, in doing at the time when religious violence is on the rise. it's a pretty dangerous -- >> it's a dangerous mix, peter strzok. thank you, always appreciate you being here, and your expertise. thank you. coming up, the jury has returned a verdict in the sand bankman-fried trial. we will get to that next. to that next there was a hearing aid that could keep up with you? 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