blindly accept their accusation against a member of another branch of government. >> expulsion vote for a backbench congressman as the front runners fraud trial continues. >> i did everything, right and they indicted me. >> tonight, two tiered ethics in the republican party. then, what happened when the adult son of the disgraced president of the witness stand. plus, what on earth is happening in the republican primary? >> what they're trying to say with this is, that in your boots, you have heels. >> no. >> that's what they're trying to say. >> they're just standard off the rack. >> i'll tell you? >> as a bombardment continues and evacuations of foreign nationals begins, what we know about the untold devastation in gaza, when all in starts, right now. good evening from from new york. i'm chris hayes. a vote to expel freshman congressman george santos just failed in the house of representatives. it did not come close to meeting the constitutionally required two thirds threshold to expel a member of congress. it should be said, the expulsion bar is very high to clear and for good reason. only five congressman have been successfully expelled our country's history, and it has not happened in more than 20 years. the new york republican george santos has been the subject of almost too much controversy to list in a one hour show, since he was first elected to congress nearly one year ago. in that time, reporting revealed that santos fabricated much of his resume, including business and educational experience, the fact that he was a champion volleyball player, as well as personal -- to a number of national tragedies including 9/11. also the fact that santos was also indicted in may, before then getting hit with additional superseding charges last month, bringing the total up to 23 felony charges he now faces, which include aggravated identity theft, wire fraud, and credit card fraud. we should note, santos denies all those charges. it is a chance to mount a vigorous defense against them in court, as is his constitutional right. his campaign treasurer, we should note, also kind of in the case, is already playing pleaded guilty, which does not bode great for santos. one other that was the question at hand tonight. the question was, whether santos is fit to serve in congress. this was always an uphill climb. in fact, if tonight's vote had been successful, santos would've been the first member of congress to be expelled without a criminal conviction since the civil war. the process is so rare because expulsion requires a two thirds majority of the house, a level of unanimity that this body as an extraordinarily hard time reaching. interestingly, this is the second time this year than attempt is being made to expel santos. democrats first tried to remove him six months ago after he was first indicted. republicans instead refer santos to the house ethics committee in an attempt to sweep problem under the rug. tonight it was republicans leading the charge to remove santos. the efforts was pushed by anthony despacito of new york along with several other new york republicans. michael lawler, nick lalota, mark molinaro, and brandon williams. all five of those men have something in common. they have all been vocal santos critics. they all previously supported kicking the issue to the ethics committee instead of a proper expulsion vote, and they're all running for reelection in districts where that joe biden carried. the ethics committee has not released a report on santos. what changed? all those congressman voted to elect a new maga speaker of the house, mike johnson, and while elevating and arguably christian nationalists to speakership could be be seen is a vulnerability for those gentleman in competitive new york districts. so it's not difficult to imagine that they might want a distraction from the culpability in electing mike johnson tonight, trying and failing to remove george santos was that distraction. >> on this vote, the yays are one 79, the nays are 213, with nine recorded as present. two thirds not voting in the affirmative. the resolution is not adopted, and a motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. >> ali vitale covers congress for msnbc news. a wild day in the house. how did it all go down? >> is there anything else in the house lately, chris? all of them are wild days. i think with santos at least the republicans in new york can go home and say they tried. this was always going to be a long shot for them. we watch the fact that even more than 30 democrats voted not to expel santos. only 20 some odd republicans did vote to expel him. among them, those key five new york republican lawmakers. that's important to their reelection battles. i think you are right to point all of that out. the politics is so inextricably linked with the personnel decisions that were made in this building right now. and i think that for santos, the reason republicans have slow walk this for so long, is because the majority is already razor thin. it would be like going from a three blade razor to a two blade razor, and they need all of the shaves they can get. this is not something they're willing to go along with easily. it's why we have seen, in the last few minutes, speaker johnson walked by me just two minutes before i came on the air with you, and i asked him if santos should be expelled. he sort of shook his head and laughed at me for even asking the question. that's the way the most leadership's have dealt with this from, mccarthy through johnson and now. >> i don't mean to be overly cynical, but it seems transparent me what happened. which is that johnson got unanimity from the caucus. everyone in the republican party voted for him. there are five members in new york who have a real uphill battle. a bunch of them voted for jordan, they just voted for mike johnson. they have to come back for up to their district and say something about why they are not like the rest of those of the republicans you may not like, the district that went biden plus eight. this was engineered essentially to give those gentlemen cover. >> that's one way of looking at. it i think is probably the right way of looking at it, because this is all about getting political cover to make sure that the majority can be maintained in the short term. that they don't want to get rid of him because there's a special election. and you've got to imagine those voters on long island are not going to be easily voting for another republican again. so republicans would rather take the short term pain and have the long term gain of the one seat that is in their four, five seat majority as exists already. but yeah, for a lot of these people, mark molinaro, i'm from that area, the hudson valley area. technically my parents in the lawler district now. the fact that molinaro voted for jim jordan twice and then went along with the rest of his conference and voted for johnson is definitely something the voters at home are gonna have questions about. election denialism central to those questions, but certainly that's what this republican majority has said they are fine with. and i think these things should be taken at face value, that that's a feature not a bug of this conference. >> yeah, and the other thing today, there were these dueling resolutions of censure against marjorie taylor greene. the league one failed, and then they didn't call them marjorie taylor greene one? >> the 21 failed, and they didn't call of the roger e. taylor green one, because they were tied together. >> okay. i don't know what you're if you're following what's happening on the other side of capitol hill. >> i love both sides of congress equally. >> i watched about an hour of this and i had to say i don't usually watch an hour of u.s. senate proceedings. but basically a line of republicans gained up individual layman khamenei to members of the armed services for their posts, talking about how great the biography, was how their hero, and saying without objection, and then tommy to tuberville getting up and objecting. these are his own republican colleagues, whose faces by the end of this were dripping with what you can only call and restrained contempt. >> absolutely. this one the call is coming from inside the house. it has taken months to get here, but it all came to fruition because we saw the head of the marines suffer a health crisis. it was basically known to back him out because the chain of promotions is backed up because of senator tuberville's continued blockade on confirming these promotions. we're here watching on the senate floor now is our two or three of key republican senators, some of them with military backgrounds, including senator sullivan alaska, they are speaking on your screen now, and they're going one by one through all of these different military promotions, or at least 100 some odd of them, and at the end of each one they are saying let's have a vote on this person. tuberville is saying no, but they're coming back and saying isn't this what you wanted? you want to just go one by one through each of these promotions? and still his blockade continues. but now republicans are calling it out quite publicly. >> ali vitale, always there on both sides of the house, an equal opportunity chaser of news in that building. thank you very much. appreciated. >> thank you. >> here's the thing about this expulsion vote for george santos. and george santos made this case himself. we played some of the sound, i think, in the intro. how can you and enter the republican party and say man scares get a bit of narrowly looking federal charges. he can't be in office. you obviously can't do that when the guy that runs the entire party, the most powerful republican in the country, the man who was the president and likely to be nominated again is in a similar situation. >> this is sort of the challenge they have. sort of like the charred problem they had with robert menendez. their hands are tied and being able to speak out on these ethics issues because the guy who runs the party has 91 criminal counts. >> in fact we covered this on the show, menendez indictments came out and a few people, democratic colleagues called for him to resign including cory booker. it was tom cotton, republican -- who rose to his defense and said well you can trust the woke fbi. >> you know, part of it obviously is that exposes the insincerity of that argument. obviously in the menendez case the evelyn the evidence was overwhelming. in the trump case it's overwhelming. you have to brush it away with the same brush. >> i also think it's interesting. i've been trying to think about one of the red lines, which has become this question to the republican party in the era of trump. one thing is being accused of serious wrongdoing is not a red lining can be. be indicted for federal crimes can be a red line. meanwhile you've got mike pence has dropped out of the race. ken brock, who was the sort of outspoken conservative house freedom caucus member who also voted against the coup in says that joe biden won. announcer he hasn't seen reelection. kate granger, another republican who voted against the coup, to certify the election in the dallas suburb says she's not seen reelection. so it's like, the red line, there is a red line in the caucus. the red line is the coup. >> the red line is power. he said it yourself when you talked about santos. the fact that they have this for vote majority in the house. if they defeat 15 vote majority in the house, george santos would -- and so the issue with trump's, he's going to be the nominee. barring a lightning strike, he's going to be the nominee. so they can't speak out against him. they know he's gonna be on the ballot when they all need to be running and they need to be kind to him. >> there's something deeper than that. there's also the dynamics of the house republican base. one of the things you're seeing is, santos is in some ways original figure because he's one of 435 members. but when you watch tuberville, the fact that there is not, you've now got members of his own party going at him over this blockade he has issued, but there doesn't seem like, i don't either grassroots or republican party seems to care one way or the other. >> this is what tuberville is doing. he, like a lot of folks on the house side, like marjorie taylor greene going after -- , they're doing it because they understand the concerns currency of the republican party's attention in fundraising. tuberville's motivations are sort of -- but he is not an institutionalist. you saw lindsey graham get tonight and say, essentially, we can't do this. we're opening a pandora's box. if everyone has a pet issues we're gonna blockade major things, we have to reach consensus. graham gets what the senate is supposed to do and how the congress is supposed to be an institution that works on consensus. that's not his thing. it's not greene's thing on the house. side it's not any people thing because they understand that they can throw punches. i'm fighting this system. and that gives him the courage to -- >> create. the oscar trying to you. i want to go to congresswoman jasmine crockett, serves on the oversight committee. what a weird day in the institution in which you serve. one of the first sort of gaveled in days by the new speaker of the house. what do you make of what happened tonight? >> it was more political theater. i don't think anyone was surprised, not anyone that actually serves in this body. the idea that we had a motion to expel george santos earlier this year was brought by myself another freshman democrats, and they didn't want to deal with it at that point in time. now they know, especially with those new york republicans deciding to vote for this current speaker, maga mike, they know that we are going to tie them to maga mike, and they're trying to give him some cover. so it's nothing more than games. for all the people that were concerned about the fact that the house was closed, and i kept saying, you know what, when we're in session and we're doing is running in place. we're not getting anything done anyway. unless exactly where we are. we're running in place. >> dan goldman, also the same freshman class as you are, if i'm not mistaken, as part of those folks that first introduced this expulsion, he spoke today. in fact, it's sort of interesting. he asked for time from santos, george santos has a lot of time, george santos said hey, this is what dan goldman had to say. take a listen. >> george santos hangs like an albatross around the necks of every single republican from new york. they don't care anymore today about integrity or morality or the reputation of this institution than they did in may when they voted to protect mr. santos. they just care about their reelection in one year. >> so if that's the case, this was a cover vote, which i think is now crystal clear. the bigger question becomes, what your sense he is and you've got serious stuff you've got to do. there is a clock ticking on a continuous illusion to keep the government funded, there's bills for eight israel ukraine, other pending pieces of weren't legislation. what is your confidence level 48 hours into the speakership of mike johnson about that all getting done? >> i think he's in over his head, in short. the president sends over a package in which the senate said that they can absolutely support, and what did he decide to do? he decided to maga the package up. he decided to tear it apart. they are very good at tearing things apart. they are not good at keeping things together. and so the idea that he wanted to bring up this package, a package that i was under the impression we were gonna vote on tomorrow, that has been pushed back. so at least it sounds like he knows how to count maybe a little bit better than some of the others. it sounds like he may not have the votes. this did not make sense. you can't say that we are the party of fiscal responsibility in conservatism and then offer up an aid package that, number one, does not support ukraine, number two, does not support the palestinian people. what type of message are we sending? when we look at the antisemitism, when we look at the islamophobia in this country, it is being perpetuated by the maga's. they are continuing to make sure that there is a way that exists in this country. so there's no way we can come up with the package that supports israel and then completely neglect the palestinians, who are stuck right now where they are. it is absolutely inhumane, and it will never fly, in addition to spending in the faces of those people that work every single day to make sure that they are collecting taxes, especially from tax cheats such as a trump or, to make sure that we get the money we're entitled to in this country, and make sure we can keep going. >> that provision, for folks were not so familiar, the aid to ukraine divided, out there but there's also humanitarian funding for gaza, part of a consensus aid package for the white from the white house, that the republican leadership attempted to strip out. can i ask you, i'm gonna ask you one last question. it's a principled question. as i heard george santos defend himself today, i actually found myself saying, like, expulsion is a high bar and the guy has been indicted but not tried. maybe he's got a point that is not the kind of thing that should happen until, well, resigning is one thing. you take it on yourself. but to be formally expelled. this is what he had favored his presumption of innocence and due process. take a listen. >> i have a light on the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. i'm fighting for that right. and these gates don't believe in that, then democracy is dead. i came into this world alone, i came into this body alone, i'll go out. when >> i came to this world alone, i came into this body alone, i will go out a low. this sort of bleak stuff. what do you think about the argument he's making? >> as somebody who's practiced law, when it comes to a criminal courthouse, there's one standard. when it comes to serving in the peoples house, there's a different standard. obviously today the members of the house decided they weren't going to kick him out. this would not necessarily disrupt's right to have a trial, to be presumed innocent whatsoever. but i think there's a lower bar. it's just like when we look at a civil case, there is a lower bauer bar. it is preponderance of the evidence. i think is a lower bar, because they're only 435 of us the surveillance body. that means that we are in a select group of people, and we have to have the highest standards. i know it makes it not seem like sometimes like boebert or marjorie taylor greene, i get it. but technically, when we look at the history of this organization, it should not be one that is filled with george santos's. i knew this would never pass. we always knew would never pass. but it was important to go ahead and bring out the distinction, because as we listen to them talk about the biden crime family, and there's no evidence of anything let's talk about calling the kettle black. all the candidates, all the frauds confined, they don't want to do anything about that. but find some thing that you have literally nothing, on you have scandals like obama and his tanned suit. we end up with nonsense. , this was a real test for them. we'll see how they had going forward on their immorality. >> we'll see what the ethics committee has to say as well, which may move this forward or put some urgency into. it congresswoman jasmine crockett of the great state of texas. thank you very much. up next, the drilling republic republican field, and questions about the santos in his bid to rise to the top. >> this on tiktok went viral. it doesn't have 1 million views. it doesn't have 10 million jews. this things get 1.2 million likes. some people are wondering, how did they -- they have not shown this to you? 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>> 5:11. okay, what if you are tennis shoes and dress shoes? >> i do wear ten issues when i workout. >> you do. okay. advocate for you. i would love for you to wear, i shop at pharaoh gallo. new and. >> i don't accept gifts. i can accepted. i'm. sorry >> i totally get. it >> to think ronda santos thought that was going to be his fate when he got into this, when he was the world beater, when he just ramped to reelection, when he was the guy who was gonna take on trump? do you think where he would end up, in that guy's podcast, getting fara gallows? jet injury to insunew poll shows to desantis tries with a rising nikki haley. jamelle bouie is a columnist, to him now works for the bulwark. tim, as a veteran of one of these primaries, i saw, like, i think i'm not projecting, a flicker of deep existential dread and despair flashing through ron desantis's eyes, when he finds himself on some dues podcast talking about these shoes. like, on this short of freak show fringes of a race he was supposed to be at the center of. >> he kind of always looks like he's about to snap. his face has been one of the problems with the primary. but i also noticed some dread. i don't have a ton of sympathy. i don't have any sympathy for somebody who would sign up to be ron desantis's communications director, mile job, but i have a professional athlete for the empathy for the idea that had a point like landed it onto a podcast that was meaningless and on the podcast that they got lectured for supposedly wearing high heeled shoes, i would not [laughter] have wanted to be in the car afterward. i would want to take an uber home. that's embarrassing. and we both need to feel how relevant the campaign is. obviously there are more serious issues, the fact that he is slamming the 11th graders talking about their family members, but he can wear high heels. i think the former is more important. >> i think what is striking to me, i have the feeling now about this primary which, again, i try to keep myself with an open mind as we went into this, jamele. the futures on reserve unwritten. i keep to reminding myself of what i thought was going to be my ear in february of 2020 which constantly keeps me honest about how much i can extrapolate the future from the past. but what is your understanding of why we have ended up here, in which you possibly competitive primary has been this, what you are seeing? >> i think it's not quite inevitable but close to inevitable as soon as the republican party collectively decided, in february of 2021, the trump could just skate past january six, no problem. that no one -- as soon as that station was made, first trump narrative of the election cements in stone. i did not lose. it was illegitimate. i actually am the victor. every other republican has to defer to that narrative. you will remember last year, when he was riding high, he wouldn't even really challenge that at all. no one would challenge the narrative whatsoever. this and challenge-able narrative about how trump actually won the election, and trump is running again. it was like of course he's gonna be ahead. still uncontested leader of the republican party? there's no one willing to say, you know, in the presidential field, this guy actually lost, he's a big loser, we're not gonna go with him. and all the other candidates, rather than trying to distinguish themselves in a meaningful way from trump, are all pinching themselves for the most part. it's variations on the theme. i'm more i'm like trump more competent, i'm like trump but a 37-year-old -- kid, just variations on who donald trump is. [laughter] thank you. my expectation has been of course trump is going -- to there is no way in which it's shaping out that it would be anything else. >> yeah, and i think that point about that was a decisive moment, tim, that narrative about the loss. for a bunch of reasons. political expediency, you are losing who lost, certainly parties don't take the guy who just lost the election in and be like yes, you are our path to victory. so there is that. there's also just the sort of moral consequences of that as well, but i think you see that in the mike pence. if the idea was, trump-ism without january 6th, there is a plausible case for mike pence who is like, there's a loyal soldier, every step of the way but for the coup, and the fact that he can't even make it into iowa says something about how doomed that is. >> for sure. i almost entirely agree with me jamelle, for one slight exception. also prying tickly. there's sanders in the race who could've voted to convict him and would have eliminated their top competitor. i got like him scott who if you're running a serious race in your bottom and you have a chance to cast a vote that could limit your top competitor, it almost seems like a good idea morally in strategically. when they all did knew that. that was part of. it i do think it was maybe a second window after the midterms, when desantis could've made this case really strong. you saw in the polls, the numbers were there. this guy's a loser, we saw it again, and i do think there's one more window in november of 22. as for pants, just really quick, he and mike johnson is the best part of, it does literally the same guy, both religious conservatives. one becomes a speaker, the other drops. out the only difference between them is january six, and that shows you how january six is so central to the republican psyche. >> in the end i think, also, there is going to have to be, jamelle, the other thing driving this is people think that trump is a possible contender to 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costing the trump organization $250 million and possibly the result in the end of the company's we know it. don jr. says first member the trump family to testify about family business. we're still expecting to hear from his dad, brother, and sister. there are no cameras allowed in the courtroom for don jr.'s testimony. luckily, we got the next best thing. lisa rubin was in that room. charles coleman, once a prosecutor now civil defense attorney. both join me. now let's we start with you, lisa. there's a cross prior to don jr. that went pretty long. it was unclear whether he was gonna get on the stand. what happened? >> the cross-examination was of the sole expert that the attorney general offered. and that was the role was to discount the trump defense. tom keep saying no one lost anything. all his lenders got repaid. no one was not paid. it's a victimless crime. but michael mccarthy, who put the on is an expert, said had they've been truthful about the true state of affairs of the trump organization, no reasonable lender would have allowed trump to borrow at interest rates that he did. and if you corrected for that, they actually would have made tens of millions of dollars more on each of three different loans. there are three loans alone would have put more than 100 $50 million more in the pockets of lenders like deutsche bank and others. >> it's so wild to, because anyone who's watching this who has ever filled out a rental application in the city of new york alike, you've got to get people your life. you have 90 pay steps. or a mortgage, or anything. everyone is verifying the credit. check everything you have, which is going to determine whether you can do the business transaction, or in this case you're gonna read the apartment, or what rate you're gonna get the loan. obviously it matters. >> yeah, and trump's lawyers were incredibly upset about the admission of this person's testimony, for the reasons you identified. he is the person who's going to quantify for the judge what the discouragement is going to look like. discouragement is a fancy word for cline back profits. and michael mccarthy was dimension-ing the size of what that discouragement might look like. >> to your point, this is an interesting setting for this conversation, because we are talking about a system where there are not supposed to be a different set of rules for different people, this epitomizes exactly that. what you can do and how far you can go if you have privileges to allow you to skirt the rules in what's happening in this trial is what we're seeing is, it does not work like. that >> after 20 years it doesn't work like that. that's part of what's wild. what's wild about what is revealed is how long they were able to do this. i'm not making a determination legally, but at first blush, sketchy as heck. don jr. finally gets on the stand today. what happened there? >> a lot of testimony about his background educationally, his first jobs at the trump organization. but really, the important john junior's testimony is about the period between 2017 and 2021 when he took over his co trustee of basically the trump organization now put into a trust. he and allen weissenberg would put interest when his father became president. one of the things that the a.g. wants to show is the don jr., who keeps saying i wasn't involved in evaluations are appraisals or statements of financial condition. he was the one who certified -- as the accountant. the information he provided to you about our business is fair and accurate in all respects, and you can rely on it. a little bit tough for don junior to do but, i think he wants to, which is to say, i relied on the counts when you're the one providing information. you can't rely on accountants to give relation to your accountants. that's a circular problem. >> how would you be advising. obviously you're not read into the full details because you're not a lawyer, but it does seem a conundrum about haul all the kids testified. >> i think one of the things that you saw from don jr.'s testimony today, after reading the transcript, is that they are going to likely try and put everyone in a silo in such a way that they are not necessarily connected their actions to the actions of their siblings in trying to minimize whatever level of connection exists between their actions and things they were responsible for, and the other people. i think that is something that is to be expected, because it is the best way to minimize the notion of, this is something we're all in on and connected with. >> that seems, from what i know from reporting, a more profitable story for don junior to tell them for. eric >> that's absolutely true. i wrote a piece about that today, saying the eric is the -- of the witness here. eric was, unlike his brother, intimately involved in valuations of several of the assets, including the seven springs property, multiple golf courses. there are notes all over the place about erik being the basis for conversations with eric being the basis for certain valuations. so it will be difficult for eric, who played a senior operational role, to distance himself from that. we all think of eric as the quieter less while in. trump the testimony is going to reveal that's not the case. >> i hope this doesn't put any dent in don jr.'s content career. which is very promising. coming, up the first people to get out of gaza since israeli blockade began. the aftermath of the hamas attacks. including just a few of the americans who have been trapped for over three weeks. that's next. ks that's next. is made for people like sam, who make- everyday products, designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that- i need a breakthrough card. like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more. plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases. and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart 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foreign nationals to exit gaza has started. american citizens -- today as part of the first group of help over thousand we'll see more this process going on in the coming days. working nonstop to get americans out of gaza as soon and safely as possible. >> for the first time in three and half weeks since hamas's attack on israel it is really a military's aerial bombardment and ground operations in gaza, hundreds of people with foreign passports were able to leave gaza. this is the first time it's happened a three and a half weeks, through that crossing, the rafah crossing border into egypt. u.s. officials confirmed some of the 400 americans trapped in gaza up until now were among those folks there that were able to pass through the rafah crossing today. though they did not specify how many. more are expected in the coming days. dozens of critically injured palestinians were also taken by ambulance from gaza to nearby hospitals for treatment in egypt. generally is nbc news correspondent ellison barber. what's the latest? >> hey, chris, the fact that the rafah border crossing open today to allow people who were injured out to get treatment in egyptian hospitals as well as to allow foreign nationals and those with dual citizens ships out, and they have been a couple of times no one state department is telling people who have american passports, american citizens, to head towards the border, because it might open, and when did it would take short notice and it might not be open for a very long time. we heard from so many palestinian americans who have been waiting in that border, hoping to have the option to leave, only to have it never opened. notice for it to open today was kind of last-minute. we started hearing reports of it 4 am local time that it would open to foreign nationals. we heard hours before that was going to be open to people who were injured. some people who were injured leaving, and to foreign nationals that was something we heard at four a.m. knuckle time. that it was going to happen at seven a.m.. we believe this is going to be something that continues to happen, at least for the next co of days, and up to 500 people with dual citizenship or foreign passports will be able to leave the rafah crossing now, at least for the next couple of days. but the reality is, before a national, our small percent of people inside gaza right now needing up. what we've heard repeatedly from humanitarian groups, a group, some people on the ground, is that the humanitarian aid coming in, the options for people to get out, to get medical care, which is an issue right now inside of gaza, because hospitals are running out of fuel, that there really are not a lot of good options for the majority of the people who are there and people will again and again tell us they feel like nowhere safe. we are on the border with northern gaza. you can see it's an incredibly foggy night here. that's what you see behind us. it's not smoke, but you are hearing, in the distance, booms of heavy caliber artillery fire in the direction of northern gaza. we have seen israel continue to expand their ground operations in northern gaza. they struck twice in the last two days. they say they were targeting in both strikes, hamas militants, and they were successful in targeting them. they blamed hamas for any sort of impact, deaths, injuries, for destruction of civilian areas, on hamas and hamas leaders. but tonight the u.n., they are saying that given the scale of destruction jabaliya, the number of casualties they believe have taken place in that area, they believe it could be something that could possibly matter war crime. also we're hearing new reporting, chris, in the white house pool traveling with the president. the president was interrupted by a rabbi saying that she wanted to have a cease-fire, a call for a cease-fire. she asked him to answer the question, and according to the white house pool, she said this. i think we need a pause. that rabbi 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