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security as well as that partners. >> secretary of state antony blinken laying out the importance of financial support for both israel and ukraine, that's in response to an israel-only aid package from house republicans that also came with a catch. we'll look at where that fight is headed. plus, the director of the fbi is warning the hamas terror attacks could inspire extremists here at home. calling it the greatest threat to the united states since isis. and we'll have an update on donald trump's civil fraud trial ahead of testimony today from one of his adult children. also ahead, we'll explain the latest labor dispute. this one is being dubbed pharmageddon how it would affect people's prescription drugs, whether or not they get them, will that be a pharmacist there when you go to get your prescriptions. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, november 1st, everybody. along with joe, harry and me -- >> yes. >> yes. >> harry. >> you were really good. >> that was fun. >> i was nervous. i always get nervous for you. look at willie, guys. >> that's the real harry. >> that's a cut to -- >> i can't tell the difference. >> there it is. >> he kind of looks like harry. with a touch on who is the down by the river guy on "saturday night live" little farley in there. >> i don't see that. that's really bizarre. >> i was on youtube searching harry styles dance moves. those are all right out of his book. right there. maybe not executed the way he did. >> i'm proud of you. >> that's why we can't separate you from harry. >> what's amazing about that, you get to work with snl wardrobe and wig for a couple of hours a year you're on snl. then they just strip it from you and it's over. >> do you get to keep that? >> no, no. >> they work with lemire every morning. >> nice work. that's hard. scary. >> "today" show team and "snl". >> it's an artistic event. jonathan lemire is here and david ignatius. >> went as himself last night. >> went around washington trick or treating. >> dressed as a journalist, great costume. >> i'll loan you the jump suit. the border between gaza and egypt is now partially open. these are live pictures from the rafah crossing where ambulances are now passing into gaza for the first time, this as the territory's hospital system is on the verge of collapse. the border reopened this morning after qatar helped broker a deal. now hundreds of foreign nationals who have been stuck in gaza are waiting to enter. it's not clear how long the rafah crossing will remain open. meanwhile, in gaza, israeli defense forces are continuing their ground offensive pushing deeper into the territory. there have been reports of israeli troops clashing with hamas. israel has also acknowledged it carried out yesterday's deadly attack at gaza's largest refugee camp. a series of air strikes caused widespread damage in a densely populated neighborhood. israel says it was targeting hamas infrastructure and killed dozens of terrorists, including a commander who they say was an architect of the october 7th attack. palestinian authorities say hundreds of civilians were injured or killed in the air strikes. but israel has yet to confirm the number of casualties. nbc news also cannot independently verify the numbers. and this is the chaos and the confusion that leads to a lot of the fighting around the world about this as to who exactly is doing what to whom. but the understanding is that a lot of hamas terrorists use these people as human shields. >> well, they use gaza, civilians and gazan civilians and hospitals and you name it, refugee camps, they've used it to shield themselves from attacks. and therein lies, david ignatius, of course, the problem for israel, how do you root out hamas? how do you destroy a terrorist organization that has no problems burning your babies alive and raping your children and gunning down kids that are at concerts when they use literally use gazan's as human shields, use hospitals as shields where they can, you know, conduct operations under ground, where this is again how they fight. israeli dies, that's good news for hamas. a palestinian dies, that's good news for hamas. that's how they live. that's how they think. you wrote a column talking about just how horrible the palestinian -- state of palestinians have been for a very long time and how hamas, starting in 2005, was able to hijack palestinian's yearning to be free. >> joe, i tried to describe how this yearning that palestinians have -- and it's been true for many decades. i was going back into the early '80s in this column, the yearning they had for dignity and self respect has really in recent years been hijacked by hamas and turned to purposes we see have horrific consequences. i just wanted in this fees try to suggest a little of the humanity of palestinian civilians who we're seeing in these very painful images from the refugee camp and others, many of these are civilians. they love their kids as much as you and i love ours. watching urban warfare is always so painful. it's just something wherever it happens, it's terrible to watch. israel faced this questions before when they were conducting legitimate campaigns in beirut and lebanon. secretary blinken made the point in his testimony yesterday, the way that israel defends itself matters. in other words, you do have to remember to abide by the essential international laws of warfare in conducting campaign even against the most despicable adversary. >> right. >> i think hamas certainly qualifies as that. but it's a terribly difficult delimb ma for israeli commanders. it's one they faced before. the pressure on them internationally to stop this action before they achieved their goal of really rooting out hamas military leadership, i think is going to grow. the pressure for second front coming from lebanon may grow significantly on friday when the leader of hezbollah speaks in lebanon. that's something we need to keep our eye on. i know the israelis are. >> it is extraordinarily difficult. urban warfare, it is in our time. it was in the past. it was -- you look at fire bombings of dresdon or tokyo, the bombings of tokyo, the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki, and the number of people killed there. civilian fighting has always been -- or fighting wars among civilians in urban centers always just been heinous and it's caused so many moral dilemmas. i do want to ask you, david, we started by talking about the crossing into egypt and making the palestinian cause even more difficult is the fact that arab nations in recent years have been great about putting out press releases about their support for the palestinians. but they don't like the palestinians. let's just say it right here. sisi doesn't want any palestinians in his country. you look in jordan, you look across most sunni arab nations, things have gone from bad to worse for the palestinians over the past 10, 15 years because arab nations said we don't want them. israel is setting up peace deals with the help of jared kushner and the trump administration where they just worked directly with israel and the uae. israel and bahrain, of course, what really may have started all of this is the fact that now the biden administration was getting close to a israel, saudi arabia deal where the palestinians for the first time cut out of the equation. can you please explain to our viewers -- i don't know the answer. i know you do, though. why -- when and why do the arab nations turn on the palestinian people? why is it that sisi in egypt was so hard for us to convince him to open up the border to let palestinian refugees go in with their families and live safely? >> so, part of it, joe, i think is exactly what you said that other arab nations are afraid, that palestinian influx would be destabilizing. certainly that was the case in lebanon wheral palestinian refugees ended up becoming a decisive force in the country and led to civil war. there's also a desire to keep palestinians in the area that they claim is their homeland, not let israel push them out to some other space. i think it goes down to basic domestic security concerns. i do think, as you say, that the abraham accords were really important in changing the dynamic where the arabs finally became genuinely open to dealing with israel. one important thing that we've watched in the last week is the uae warning israel through its statements to the united nations that wonderful accord between the uae and israel may be in danger -- uae has strongly called for a cease fire at the u.n., expressing its concern about continuation of this fight. i just would note one other thing, joe, that our viewers should all keep their eyes on. secretary blinken said yesterday in his senate testimony that he thinks after this war ends, we hope it will end soon, the only way to provide security in gaza is for arabs that care about the palestinians to come in and support new and better palestinian governance so that hamas, a group really of terrorists isn't running the place. it's run by more decent palestinians who can do a better job of running gaza. we'll see if saudi arabia, the uae, egypt, other arab nations are willing to help in that project that secretary blinken described yesterday. if they are, then we can finally maybe see a path out of this. if they refuse, i don't know where this goes. >> and you know, it's interesting about that, willie, i've talked to some people in the region who have said when i suggested this possibility a couple weeks ago. i said, well, what about u.n.-led peace keeping force of arab nations that could go in there. and the response was, not what i expected. we'll do it but the united states has to be all in. we need your hand. we need your leadership. you can't just sit there and let it go back and forth. if the united states is in, i could see sunni, arab states going in as peace keeping voices to protect the palestinians and help them set up a government that's not run by terrorists. >> and it has been since 2005. >> right. >> excuse me, gaza has been run by hamas since 2005. speaking of american leadership on this question, as expected, the white house has come out against the house republican's aid package for isel, the one we were talking abo yesterday. that plan includes $14.3 billion in emergency funding, but scinds that same amount of irs funding from the inflation reduction act. that funding was earmarked for additional irs agents to go after tax delinquents. president biden would veto the republican proposal if it comes to his desk. a statement, the bill fails to meet the urgency of the ment by deepening our divides. the president made clear he wants an aid package that includes funding for israel, ukraine, efforts to contain china and additional support for u.s. border security. senate majority leader chuck schumer and minority leader mitch mcconnell yesterday both highlighted their support for voting on a whole supplemental package. also yesterday, secretary of state antony blinken met with house speaker mike johnson for about 25 minutes to discuss the president's funding request. the secretary called it a, quote, very positive meeting but shared no additional details. mitch mcconnell yesterday said this kind of funding is not subject to offsets. the fact that mike johnson as his first act really, his first major act as speaker, we'll vote for support of ukraine as long as you help us defund irs. >> not going to be offsets, pay fors, meant to act urgently given to a nation, israel, an ally, in need. the politics don't make much sense except when you look at it as speaker johnson nodding to his conservative base in particular those handful of republicans in the house who got him that job by ousting kevin mccarthy. this is a nod to them. most of those in that group oppose aid to ukraine. that's not part of this. this is just israel. and they are all or some of them don't want to see the u.s. spending money for any overseas aid. now, this is not going to go anywhere. the president said he will veto it. they'll jam this up in the senate. it will slow down. it will slow down the ability to get u.s. aid to israel at a time when they need it the most. >> what i don't understand is this, willie, the only people that would like this bill other than mike johnson's small group of people there, a bill that stops funding for israel, stops funding for ukraine, stops funding for the border, stops funding to protect taiwan from china would be anti- semites who hate israel and jews. illegal immigrants and vladimir putin, tax cheat billionaires. how do you put that on the 30-second ad if you're a republican. those are the four categories who would be glad if this bill continued tooling wish and that's his fist move. >> his first move and irs suggested we would lose money on this because you're collecting so much less in tax that you would -- it's not even an offset. you're losing money in the process. doesn't even make sense on that basis other than a sock to donors or the small group of people who gave him the job. it's not going to get through the senate. let's start there because it's not just democrats but mitch mcconnell that oppose this as well. what's your sense of how this will shake out and how it looks frankly to our ally, israel? >> well, willie, i always thought that the bipartisan support for ukraine aid would continue, but i get more and more dubious as i watch behavior like the new speakers. i just was in ukraine three weeks ago before the gaza war is when i left. and i'll tell you, ukrainians say straight up, if the united states doesn't support us, we are in real trouble in continuing this war against russia. here are these brave ukrainians suffering terrible casualties. they're doing the fighting. they're asking for what in terms of our total budget is a relatively modest amount of military support to keep fighting. it is astonishing to me as they head into winter and the difficulty of this battle that they're being in effect nickelled and dimed by the republicans in congress. i just wish those people could see a little of what you see when you visit ukraine and see the bravery of these people. i can't imagine they would continue to resist supporting this aid at a time when ukraine needs it. >> it's also a moment where president biden now is the clear winning politically about being strong on israel. the republicans opposing him. >> everything is upside down. >> the strike at the refugee camp. israel said they ordered that strike. that's a calculation they made and be blow back in the region, but right now this is something the u.s. warned israel about, of course be careful about the response but there's no question that president has been in and will continue to be on israel as the republican are looking at their waffling. >> republicans are waffling. they screwed israel for three weeks by playing games inside their own caucus. while people are burying their dead in israel and jews continue to have to endure a global war against them. you have republicans playing games. and republicans blocking aid to israel, republicans blocking aid to ukraine. i mean, let's face it -- >> not all of them. >> not all of them. we talked a lot about chairman mccall and most republicans wanting to support republican. there's a small wing and apparently the dominant wing of the leadership now that's actually rooting for vladimir putin and want vladimir putin to win if only by blocking aid to ukraine, then of course they don't want to fund the border. they bitch and whine about the border nonstop. they have a chance to stop this flow of illegal immigrants, playing games with that. and they're playing games on china. i hope it's worth it for them. again, i'm not sure who they think they're helping. >> the safety of the world. >> but this is a problem when you're a radical and in a little bubble surrounded by other radicals. >> right. you don't know the consequences of your actions. 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[sfx: video game] emergen-c crystals. ♪♪ 22 past the hour. today, the first member of the trump family will take the stand in the new york $250 million civil fraud trial. donald trump jr. is scheduled to testify today. >> i don't know if i would want to lead with him. >> eric trump will take the stand tomorrow. ivanka trump and former president trump will testify next week. >> i haven't seen him in a while. >> which one? >> junior, not a whole lot. >> he does like stuff on insta. >> he doesn't do that much anymore. >> it's not good when he does it. something's up. >> something is up. >> he doesn't feel good or something. something is -- >> he is excited. >> no, there's like a hyper activity or something. >> he's up here. >> yeah. >> any who -- >> you read it. >> the former president has continued to -- >> i'm sorry to bring that up. >> i follow. i kind of watch. >> i know you do. >> i can't help it. >> i know. >> continue to rant about the case online, including this truth social post where he called out new york attorney general latitia james and posted her picture in court. now, there's a limited gag order on the case, but it does not cover speaking about the attorney general or the judge. wow. he's immature. let's bring in nbc news legal analyst katherine -- >> can we get a breaking news on that, he's immature. he's a 5-year-old. >> it's just -- wow. >> let's bring in katherine christian, a former assistant da and the manhattan da's office, also with us, the host of msnbc's "politic's nation" reverend al sharpton. >> katherine, what do you think the trump children will be able to add to this or do you expect them to plead the fifth all day long. >> assuming they don't plead the fifth, because if they do, that actually will hurt them. typically in a criminal trial, no comment. but in new york in a civil case, the judge in this case, the judge or the jury, can infer by that taking the fifth that what they would have said would have been harmful to them, that's why they didn't answer the question. >> so you say be harmful. harmful to the outcome of the civil case, right? >> yes, the civil case if they take the fifth. >> the problem -- i was thinking about this coming in here, if you're one of the kids and you know they've been cutting corners and been cheating at their father's behest and their father has been lying about how much he's worth, really you're faced with -- if you want to be safe, and you don't want to commit perjury, you're faced with pleading the fifth or committing perjury, so pleading the fifth may be their only route, right? >> i always say that if you lose a civil trial, you lose money. if you lose a criminal trial, you might lose your liberty. so, that would be the advice that i would give a client. well, you know, you can take the fifth and probably lose because it will be held against you in the civil trial. but at least anything you say won't be used against you because you haven't said anything. >> right. emeka, if you commit perjury in the civil trial, then you lose money and you get sent to jail. >> so, what about is pleading the fifth in a civil trial you're saying is actually -- it doesn't have -- it has more repercussions -- >> for the civil trial. >> but what about saying i don't remember. >> the i don't recall, well, it has to be legitimate i don't recall. you can't just like, i don't recall. i don't recall. i don't recall. >> it would be one thing -- >> they will do that. >> it's one thing if they said were you at the party on the october 19th, 2019. it's another thing to say here is this document with your signature on it. >> what they can't say i don't recall to is, is that your signature, yes. a lot of the questions might be -- the attorney general knows the answer to. were you at that meeting with so and so. yes. and was so and so and so and son there, yes. >> are you familiar with that document, yes. that's a financial statement of the company. so they're not going to say, yes, we intend to defraud. it's really about getting them to admit under oath facts they can't deny. >> right. once they have the signature on a document that is clearly fraudulent -- >> someone else signed. >> look, submit that into evidence and boom. the jury sees they signed a false statement. >> i don't recall maybe this will refresh your memory. >> we have seen a lot of perry mason. >> exactly. >> just a step back and remind our viewers what we're talking about here which is the accusation here is that the trump children, i hesitate to call them children, don jr. is 45 years old, but they participated in a long-running scheme to inflate the assets and do all the things that donald trump is accused of. so what role does don jr. allegedly play in all this? >> well, because the courses of action that they falsified the organization and the defendants falsified the business records with the intent to defraud, filed false financial statements with the intent to defraud and filed insurance applications with the intent to defraud. so don jr. and eric and allen weisselberg were in charge of the company when the president was in the white house. ivanka got out of it when she went to the white house but she was part of it before the white house. so they were -- they said these in interviews, we're in charge of the company. >> wasn't she doing something while she was in the white house? >> yes, she also was part of a hotel deal and allegedly negotiated loans. so, they can't really now say we really were hands off, daddy did everything. so, it's very hard. >> so reverend sharpton, as discussed, donald trump jr. and eric trump ran the company. give us a character sketch of donald trump jr. >> he is very loyal to his father. i used to see him all the time -- >> by the way, rev, can we do pre-politics kids and post-politics kids. i will say pre-politics, at least when i saw them out in social settings, very charming, very respectful, very deferential to people w. they seemed nice. >> very deferential, very nice, wanted to talk. would chitchat. when they got political, it was a little more guarded, a little more, well, i saw dad did a tweet against you, but you know, we're really not enemies. we just disagree. it was a little more trying to play diplomatic. i think the biggest challenge for donald jr. is that they have always played to the audience of one, their father. >> right. >> and when he gets on the stand, he's playing to the audience of one, a judge. if he gets on the stand and plays to the audience of his father, he could get himself in a lot of trouble. >> yeah. >> that's brilliant insight. the one who hasn't been doing that recently is ivanka, because she and jared have gone off. they have their own life and jared always -- talk about the money with the saudis, but jared always had more money. his family always had more money than trump has had, something that always grated on trump. but you see that separation a bit more but you're right, the boys more -- the men, more endangered because of that audience of one. everybody who plays to that audience of one gets burned. >> they want to please dad. even in casual conversations they want to please dad. if they get on that stand and please dad, they are going to have the wrath of that judge. i think that's the danger donald jr. has. and you know, i had michael cohen on "politics nation" the other night, he told horror stories how they -- ivanka was different because she was the only one of the kids that didn't need dad's money to survive after she married jared. >> and trump jr., of course, also become the family's real far right with the political future of his own people think. he also took that meeting, of course, with the kgbf. >> ivanka had her own attorneys who were able to successfully win an appeal on her behalf. >> explain, this is the punishment phase. what are you looking for not only in this testimony from the kids which is obviously adding drama and intrigue to it, but in terms of the pace of this trial, as a decision is made into how much donald trump should pay because that's what's being decided? >> yes. because the attorney general is requesting $250 million. >> do you think that will happen? >> if the judge finds him liable, i think he will probably give $250 million in discouragement, that's what it's called to pay back the money they enriched themselves with. >> rev and i -- >> it will be appealed. >> rev and i are smiling at each other because we don't think he has $250 million to give. >> no. i don't think he has it. and i think -- >> it will be appealed and go on and on and on. >> that's right. >> yes. >> when does he pay, if he gets found liable. >> well -- >> when he finds the $250 million to pay. >> a judgment. people who can't pay, there's a judgment attached. so any time something is in your name like a house or something, you have to give it to the people who you owe money to. >> what do you have to sell like mar-a-lago, for instance. >> well, remember, his businesses were cancelled by the judge. that's been stayed by an appellate court. basically again if the ag wins all of the appeals, the businesses will be dissolved, all the trump organization businesses. >> wow. nbc news legal analyst katherine christian, thank you very much for your insight this morning. >> by the way, i just want to say for people, oh, this is the judicial system being weaponized against donald trump. >> he was ripping everyone off. >> people have been talking about this for 20 years. like, 20 years before donald trump ever went into business -- ever went into politics, rev. everybody i ever talked to in new york who did business with him said he was ripping them off, he was cutting corners, he was defrauding banks. people have been saying this for 20 years. so anybody that says, oh, this is the judicial system that's being weaponized against donald trump, they're just ignorant and have no idea what they're talking about. at least in this case, because new york business people for years have been talking how he defrauds banks and how he cheats and cuts corners in all his business deals. >> and many tabloid stories have been about his business practices, going back years before he ever thought about going into politics. and he tried to play. he was savvy and a good businessman. everybody said he was slick and he was a hustler. >> everybody knows. everybody who has been inside his new york city apartment in trump tower and that's thousands of people know that he inflated the size of that and many other things. >> 30,000 square feet? coming up, it's day two of pharmageddon. pharmacy workers across the country walking off the job. part of a three-day strike to protest working conditions. we'll look at the impact on people getting their medications. >> could be a problem for me, willie. mika has that, she lays out the monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday -- and she fills the container. >> you're joking. i'm not. this will be tough. this will be tough. >> yes. also, this is a big story -- why one of our next guests is calling mike johnson's election as house speaker a gift to the biden campaign. >> you know why they saying that -- >> why. >> because it is. >> on "morning joe." we'll be right back. se it is. >> on "morning joe." we'll be right back. we pay more for prescription drugs than any major nation on earth. but big pharma has been unfairly charging families. and they've been making record profits. not anymore. as president, joe biden's taken on powerful interests on behalf of the american people. for decades, politicians tried to lower prescription drug costs. but joe biden finally got it done. giving medicare the power to negotiate for lower drug prices, capping insulin at $35 a month, and capping out-of-pocket drug costs for seniors at $2,000 a year. joe biden's lowering costs for millions of americans. and he's paying for it by making the biggest corporations in america finally pay their fair share in taxes. no billionaire should be paying a lower tax rate than a schoolteacher or firefighter. here's my message to all of you out there. your president has your back. i'm joe biden and i approve this message. honey, i think i heard something. ok. ♪ from christmas tree mats... to floorliners... cargo liners.... no drill mud flaps... seat protectors... and more... weathertech has the perfect holiday gift. honey, is everything ok? 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have we not talked about michigan and stealing the signs, wolverine. >> football, they're in trouble, aren't they? >> yeah. i don't know. is going to another team's game and scouting it -- i don't know if that's so bad. >> buying one ticket always behind the bench of your next opponent and learning what the signals are and stealing them. >> i like it. yeah, i like it. >> jim harbaugh was about to receive a lucrative contract extension. could be repercussions for this. another big story we're following this morning, pharmacy workers at cvs and walgreen's have reached their breaking point. pharmacists at both companies have now launched a series of walk-outs over what they call increasing workloads. and you can see it if you go to the pharmacy. >> oh my gosh. >> we have been seeing this for a year. >> it's crazy. cvs -- >> you cannot get a prescription. you have to go there at least three times and the app is always wrong. >> and they're making billions and billions of dollars. they're cutting employees. the ones that are left there working are always overmatched by -- >> strung out. >> it's just -- >> in bad moods. >> again, it's another example and we see it time and time again, you see in the healthcare system where so many americans can't get a doctor. you can get a physician's assistant, best insurance in the world and you'll never see a doctor. >> they have too few employees. >> they do. >> it's insane. >> the lines are 15, 20 people long. you wait for 45 minutes to get your prescription. they have too few employees, similar to another great industry in this country, the airline industry. too few pilots, too few flight attendants. >> too few tsa agents. gone through jfk a week or two ago, it was on a friday. one line. one tsa line. and the lines wrap around the airport. you're sitting there thinking -- of course that's a government deal. but again you're sitting here thinking, especially on business, everything -- everybody is so obsessed about squeezing the last cent out so they can have good earnings reports every quarter. all playing for wall street. nobody gives a damn not only about their customers. they don't give a damn about what's good for america. you look during covid, we found out, oh wait, the chinese and indians are making 98% of your pills? we don't have pills here? >> no. >> we don't make masks here? we don't make ventilators here? we don't make anything here because everybody is squeezing the last -- not penny the last point 0001 cent out of every profit. jonathan here, i guarantee you, we all go to different pharmacies in different states, we all have the same problem. and that is cvs and walgreen's and everybody else -- >> the customer comes last. >> not because they have money problems because they want to make bigger and bigger profits. people are going to die. you can see these pharmacy workers are so hairied, so exhausted, are so strung out that they're going to make mistakes. >> yeah. it's a universal experience right now. i would add this also comes pharmacies having these slow downs in shortages at a moment people are supposed to be getting their new shots or covid boosters and supposed to be getting that at pharmacies as well. that's another potential consequence. >> we had days where our farm sis were closed all together. i need the thing today. we'll try to send it to the other cvs but the other walgreen's but there's no guarantee. >> you feel just with flight attendants, you feel for the people working. you're so grateful for them to be there, but they're stretched to the max. let's bring in cnbc's julianna tatelbaum for more on this. where does this strike stand? might it be resolved any time soon? >> well, you really hit the nail on the head when it comes to what these pharmacists and pharmacy technicians want out of this walk-out. the walk-out has been dubbed pharmageddon. essentially they're fed up. it's not so much about pay. it's about the growing workload and lack of staff. exactly as you outlined. employees are being asked not only to fill prescriptions but to field phone calls, administer vaccines, deal with walk-ins for vaccines and also deal with insurance companies. so, there is so much being asked of these pharmacy workers and pharmacy technicians. and they want to improve the safety of their working environment. we don't van exact number on the number of participants in the walk-out. i have seen stats ranging from hundreds of thousands to pharmacists and pharmacy technicians participating. what we do know is that the american pharmacist association, the industry's largest professional organization has come out in support of the employees that are walking out, the organization said in a statement on monday that it stands with every pharmacist who participated in the walk-out. the bottom line is that we support every pharmacist right to work in an environment with staffing that supports your ability to provide patient care. so far the pharmacies say they are taking measures to improve working conditions and retain talent. what happened next and whether we see resolution, one key thing to bear in mind here is these employees are not unionized. that may make it more difficult for them to stand united. that stands in contrast with some of the other walk-outs we have seen in other industries recently. >> these two companies, i'm telling you, the decline has been significant over the past, i don't know, two years or was covid the excuse and now they're just -- you cannot get a prescription. you have to go two or three times or two or three different places. for families that have kids that -- or anybody dependent on several medications, that's a full-time job. >> it's unbelievable, yeah. >> just getting the medication. it's crazy. so juliana, where do you see this going? do you think it could get to the point where the pharmacies have to shut down because there's a complete walk-out? how far are they willing to go? >> it depends on how many employees participate, i think. it remains to be seen how many will join the movement. again, i would just come back to this point that they're not unionized which could work against those employees that are protesting. and maybe this leads to unionization. it's something labor activists are watching. >> cnbc's julianna tatelbaum, thank you very much. let's talk about -- i was talking how corporations will try to squeeze every last penny out. and here cvs and walgreen's obviously gotten rid of a lot of workers just to make more money. this is also about consolidation. we all growing up, we all had pharmacies, neighborhood pharmacies that we could go to. cvs or walgreen's were doing this. we could go to a neighborhood pharmacy. those have for the most part disappeared. >> gone. >> because cvs and walgreen's have basically crushed all competitors. >> the pharmacy is an interesting story. willie pointed it out and it's true. pharmacies closed on sunday. some pharmacies are closed on sundays. chain pharmacies. and that's astounding to me. you need your medicine, you need your medicine. but the number of workers that have left -- to mika's point, they're down to three or four people working behind the counter. one answering the phone. one handing out prescriptions. the lines of people waiting for the prescriptions consist of 10, 15, 20 people they have now in some pharmacies, cvs and walgreen's i think, now a dedicated hour where you can't get any medicine during the course of the day because they have 45 minutes to an hour that they -- >> they're opening later -- >> they're having lunch. >> look, just a week ago in d.c. i went into a cvs with my daughter and there was one person there, one. and she seemed quite frankly like completely depressed and overworked and actually like in a state of denial about her reality. and she kept saying, you know, you just need to come back later. just check the app. just check the app. it will be ready at 5. and then we check the app and it's tuesday at 5:15. >> it makes you wonder if people who work in the pharmacies for cvs or anybody else, big pharmacy companies, if they're paying attention to what the uaw just got done in detroit with the automobile manufacturers. unionization still works if it's done properly. >> the biggest problem, rev, is that again you got consolidation to such a degree that they crush all competitors. so there's no competition. and then they basically screw their customers because customers have nowhere else to go. and they put it again on their poor employees who are just overwhelmed, overwhelmed by the number of people that are coming at them. >> that is exactly what happens. what we have seen iswalgreen's, cvs, your local pharmacies -- we complained when walmart did it, they consolidated at the expense of the consumer. then if you make a complaint, if you're like number 26 online, are they not taking care of you properly? they want you to complain about the overworked one that's left there rather than complain about the way they have set this situation up. >> i guarantee you what they'll try to do here is give the people that work there a little more money instead of doing what they have to do and that is hire more people. >> right. still ahead, an arrest has been made in connection with the anti-semitic threats made against cornell university's jewish community. who police say claimed responsibility. plus, fbi director chris wray says anti-semitism is reaching historic levels in the u.s. and that the israel-hamas war raises potential for attacks on americans. we'll dig into wray's new warning next on "morning joe." r warning next on "morning joe." 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yesterday in testimony said that even though jews make up little more than 2% of the population, 60% of the threats i think he said hate crimes, 60% are targeted toward jews. so the jewish people stand alone, of course, as we know they do. in threats made against them. it continues. we were just talking during commercial, all over the world. >> yeah. it's not veiled. it's explicit anti-semitism. that's a student at an ivy league university who felt okay posting he wanted to go kill jews, including babies. a 21-year-old student at cornell. to your point, joe, christopher wray, testifying at a senate homeland security hearing yesterday, hamas terror attacks against include other attacks including ones by violent extremists here in the united states. he testified alongside homeland security secretary alejandro mie juror kas. they're investigating several threats in this country including a man in houston who was studying how to build bombs and posted online about killing jewish people. >> in just the past few weeks, many called for terrorists in the u.s. and the west. isis urged its followers to target jewish communities in the united states and europe. >> here in the united states our most immediate concern is that violent extremists, individuals or small groups will draw inspiration from the events the middle east to carry out attack against americans going about their daily lives. that includes not just home grown violent extremists inspired by a foreign terrorist organization, but also domestic violent extremists targeting jewish or muslim communities. >> i will say this is a threat reaching in some ways historic levels in part because as you know all too well the jewish community is targeted by terrorists really across the spectrum. foreign terrorist organizations both sunni and shiite, domestic violent extremists and, in fact, our statistics would indicate that for a group that represents only about 2.4% of the american public, they account for something like 60% of all religious-based hate crimes. >> that is the statistic joe was just talking about. joining us now, ted deutsche, he served as chair of the house foreign affairs middle east sub committee and now ceo of the american jewish committee. congressman, good to have you with us again. it feels like since this heinous, barbaric attack of october 7th somehow been a call to action to anti-semites around the country and around the world but we're talking about the united states here. just coming out explicitly out of the shadows on college campuses and forums and walking through times square and talking about killing jews. >> yeah. the testimony yesterday by christopher wray brings home how significant the threat is at that moment but your point is the most important, this didn't just arise out of thin air. october 7th, the horrific attacks by hamas killing, slaughtering 1400 people in just the most barbaric ways possible and filming it on go pro cameras so they could take credit, broadcast it. they wanted people to know how despicable, how thoroughly awful what they did was to inspire others to do it. it's the reason on college campuses around the country it's just unconscionable anyone who could march on their campuses or professors send letters that praised what hamas did. it's about not tolerating any support for that kind of just horrific, horrific terrorism. >> congressman, you're right. there were college professors who praised this. too many college presidents that were tongue tied or had nothing to say. they would know how to respond against attacks against any other group but they had absolutely no idea how to respond against this attack against jews and anti-semitism shows you the amount of hatred many those communities quietly had for the jews. i want to talk about the global scale of this for a second. let's talk what happened in russia. people are chasing after jews, basically saying bring us the jews. talk about what happened in germany and last night. what happened in charlottesville, jews will not replace us. this is a global war against jews. >> right. and the synagogue that was burned -- you can go all around the world and point to certain acts of anti-semitism but your point is really important. this is global. and it requires -- >> talk about germany. >> yeah. i was in germany just about ten days ago. i met with german students. jewish student leaders in germany in 2023 who told me that when they walk across their campuses people scream gas the jews at them. in germany in 2023. there the german government responded immediately in defense of israel's action against hamas and in support of the jewish people. that's what we need to see. that immediate response we need to see everywhere, joe. you're right. university presidents, other leaders in business, leaders across our society shouldn't sit back and wait. they can't equivocate. there's no justification for what happened on october 7th. and they need to speak out with mol clarity against the terror attacks and in support of the jewish communities who all across the world feel threatened. now is the moment for them to speak up and speak boldly. >> put that number back up for a send, if you will, t.j. since the raping of israeli women, since the burning of jewish babies, since the shooting at point blank range of jewish babies in their cribs, since the burning of jewish grandmhers, anti-semitic incidents have gone up aost 400%. as willie said, this is not hidden. people are not ashamed to hate jews. people are not ashamed to be anti-semitic. mike, they're running straight into it. they're admitting it and proud that they hate jews. they are proud they are part of a war, a worldwide war that has been fought for thousands of years to eradicate jews. and hitler did a pretty, pretty repulsive job at getting to that -- what he called the final solution. 6 million jews in europe, slaughtered, executed, eradicated by hitler. here we are in 2023 germany, jewish kids are hearing shouts of gas the jews on college campuses. >> off of everything you just said and off of everything we lived with certainly in the headlines since october 7th, history stands as testimony to the fact that this is not new. this is ageless anti-semitism. the attacks on jews. ageless. it's a disease, it's a disease without a vaccine now, congressman. how do we attack a disease like this that's seemingly is historic, endemic it bursts up every periods of time. what do we do? >> first of all, there needs to be a global response to what is a global problem. my grandparents came to this country fleeing russia. that's an effort to slaughter jews. it's what hamas did and what they're trying to accomplish and what we saw in russia just this week, the other day, which was a mob looking to kill jews. what we need to do is make clear first of all on college campuses and a lot of people in politics watch your show. you know that. in what world did it become a progressive value to defend terrorists who burn kids alive, cut people's heads off, how is that -- let's start with that. >> but also let's just admit, there's been anti-semitism on college campuses for decades. we have been talking about it on this show, last show, in congress about how jewish kids were targeted in one way or the other on elite college campuses for decades. >> joe, right now there are kids -- look at what happened in cooper union, kids being barricaded in. right now, there are students across america who sit in classes with kids not knowing whether the kids next to them are going to go out right after class and march in a protest in support of hamas terrorists who want them dead. that's different. that's what we're seeing now. the moment -- this moment calls for bold action. >> yeah. >> the administration is acting. they need to enforce every single part of their national strategy to combat anti-semitism. the department of homeland security, the department of education, have key roles to play, critical roles to play, but people in power cannot tolerate a culture that accepts anti-semitism on their campuses. >> yesterday secretary blinken was testifying about support for israel and he was interrupted by protesters screaming cease fire. also former secretary of state hillary clinton talked about that issue. this is actually from a week ago, but take a listen. >> people calling for a cease fire now do not understand hamas. that is not possible. it would be such a gift to hamas because they would spend whatever time there was a cease fire in effect rebuilding their armaments, creating stronger positions to be able to fend off an eventual assault by the israelis. >> mike, i said it before, if the united states were attacked by mexico, the way israel was attacked by hamas terrorists on october 7th and people were telling us to enter into a cease fire with mexico, well, first of all, it would be too late because our tanks would roll to the outskirts of mexico city by night fall and tell them to bring out the terrorists or were we going to level the city. we just would. we just would. but for some reason the whole world always felt free to tell the israelis how to protect their children, how to protect their families. the people -- the people who in the country still have old seniors that walk around and have numbers burned into their arms and people on college campuses telling the israelis, you know what, just take it easy. calm down. how would we have behaved on september 12th. you know what you need to enter into a cease fire with al qaeda. or az said, if on -- could you imagine what fdr would have said if on december 8th, 1941, europe would have -- you know what, you cut off their oil routes. the japanese were feeling closed in. you really did this to yourself. you need to enter into a cease fire with the japanese. let's just talk. hitler, i know he declared war -- you need to enter into a cease fire with hitler. what would we tell them? >> you know, you're talking now about two things that are two both mysteries. one is israel is the only country in history that gets attacked for defending itself. as soon as it defends itself, in the case of the hamas, it gets attacked. and almost immediately, within 24 hours. the slaukters that took place, the babies killed, all of that becomes instant amnesia in a culture where, oh no, the focus is now on what israel is doing. >> the first step is they deserved it. >> yeah, that's the first. oh, they deserved it. that's decolonization. in fact, what hillary also said was, the palestinian people were given gaza. they got out. israel got out. they chose hamas to run them. so they chose hamas. hamas won elections there. hamas has been running that place since 2005, so you tell me, you tell me, what does israel do? they have to get in and they have to destroy hamas. >> that leads to the second element, the second mystery and it's not really a mystery when you think about it is you're absolutely right. hamas has been governing gaza since 2005. some sense of governance. look what they have done for their people, nothing. because they want to kill jews. they don't want to govern. they want to kill jews. how is it that so many instantly, instantly again, presidents of great universities in this country cannot know the difference between terrorist, murders and militants. >> mike, that's a rhetorical question. there's not an answer to that. there's no answer. there's no justification. this kind of conversation that we're having, if it took place one time in faculty dining rooms and college campuses where people were forced to defend their positions that somehow it's accept to believe defend terrorists maybe that would have an impact. joe, i have to correct you on one thing. hamas didn't win elections. they took power in a coup. they run gaza -- to secretary clinton's point about a cease fire -- >> i think there's a scam election in 2007. >> right. that's the last election. >> right. they don't have election. they don't have valid elections in gaza. but the point is that they took power in a coup in 2005. they have launched attacks every couple of years since then. so the real question is for all the people who say there should be a cease fire, there was a cease fire. and you know what happened during that cease fire? hamas sent 2,500 people into israel to slaughter people in the worst attack. they sent them on hang ghieders, sent them in orchestrated attack. that happened during a cease fire. so spare us the talking points about how this is somehow israel's fault. the biggest impediment to peace in the region for israel and toward lasting and just solution with the palestinians, palestinians and israelis is hamas. hamas stands in the way. everyone should be supported of israel's efforts. >> it's iran. iran funds all of this. iran has always funded all of this. >> hamas and everywhere else around -- encircling israel is exactly what iran's goal has been the entire time. my chair of the middle east sub committee for ten years we watched as iran continued to expand. we have the -- i appreciate you bringing iran up. you can't leave them out of this equation. just as israel is waging war against hamas, iran continues to offer support to hamas and to everyone else. last thing, this idea that ukraine doesn't -- isn't relevant here, if russia wins the war in ukraine, they will have iran to thank. the way iran will want to be repaid is right at israel's doorstep. it is all related. and frankly, we are all in this together. that's the way that we need to think about it even if there are those who think that defending terrorists is acceptable. >> the ceo of american jewish committee, former congressman ted deutsche. reverend al as well. coming up, republican senator tommy tubervillle remains defiant, refusing to drop his blockade of military promotions. we'll show you how he responded to criticism from minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> fellow republican. >> 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there's military bases there. >> it's really stupid. the people of alabama have long been big supporters of the united states military. i know because when i was in congress i spent a lot of time going around to alabama bases. i went to school in alabama. and i can tell you they think what you're doing is bad for the military and bad for america, so don't hide behind the people of alabama because they disagree with you gutting the readiness of the united states military and leaving the marine corps without a come dant for the first time in 150 years. >> and families on hold at military bases across the country. >> all over. >> not knowing what's next. not knowing if they should -- how do they move? where do they go? what do they do as they wait and wait and wait. >> when i first got into congress and i was a young guy, i would go over to the military. i go over to the pentagon and the leaders there, the generals and admirals that tell me, you know, you're going to hear a lot about readiness. hear a lot about readiness in what military weapons we have. what kind of training we're doing understand readiness starts with a military member's family. are they being taken care of? do they have good housing? do they have good health care? are the kids going to good schools? because if they're not, they're not going to be able to focus on job one which is defending america. if they can't take care of their own kids and their spouses and their families, they're not going to be able to take care of this country. and that was hammered into my home. into my head whether about the housing or the health care or the schools. here what tommy tubervillle is doing is gutting all of that. he's making sure that spouses that get job offers in other cities where the bases, the transfers were supposed to go to, or the kids that were going to be starting in new schools, that they made arrangements for, that none of that happen. that all of these families are put on hold. they're in suspended animation. that is a weight on the families, that's a weight on the children, that's a weight on the spouses so that's a weight on the military member. >> it's hard enough. >> who wants to defend this country. and tommy tubervillle is getting in the way of that. the good people of alabama understand that a hell of a lot better than their rookie senator does. >> reminder why he's doing this, holding up the military readiness of the united states of america because he doesn't want a service member to travel across state lines, go to a different state to get an abortion or get female health care. it's really staggering, too, to listen to him in that clip complaining about our military readiness. we're not ready at the top, like the arsonist standing in front of the fire that he set, somebody has to do something about this. we know. you lit the fire. >> it's hard enough to be a military family. and he has found a way to make it much harder. >> yeah. >> senator tommy tubervillle has held of hundreds of military promotions other the pentagon's abortion policy and he moved to force a vote to confirm the marine's second in command, just one guy, general eric smith after the top officer was hospitalized on sunday. yesterday the alabama senator secured at least 16 signatures so the senate will consider the nomination of lieutenant general christopher mahoney to be the marine corps comen dant. senate majority leader chuck schumer vowed to not only bring up his nomination but also two other high level military officers this week since his confirmation in september, smith said in recent weeks the hours w working were not a sustainable thing. here is what he said last friday about his workload. >> the workload remains the same. still two full time jobs filled by one person. so that hasn't changed. i mean, i moved houses, but i am still doing both of those jobs and using my staff as best i can to fill in where the assistant commandant would be. i can't in two places at one. >> jack reed said smith's medical emergency underscored the fallacy and danger of tubberville's hold out adding that smith doing two jobs at once may have contributed to his condition. >> so he holds the situation where they don't have a commandant in 150 years. he's doing two jobs and he gets sick. again, this is happening across the entire military. and tubberville's stupid explanation, well, we have too many people at the top any way. it's just the stupidity. and it's, of course, dangerous. but -- >> why won't his fellow republicans go in there. do they want to keep this right to do a ridiculous hold -- what is the deal? >> you see a hatred for the military bay lot of people. in the republican party. you see how they treated the chairman of the joint chiefs. you see how anybody that doesn't support trump, you see how they're trying to politicize -- by the way, another thing that the admirals and generals told me, keep your social issues out of our funding. keep your social issues out of our readiness. >> yeah. >> do that and other committees. let us protect the country. >> correct. >> and that's a test that tommy tubervillle is failing as well. let's bring in special correspondent for vanity fair, the host of "fast politics podcast" molly fast. both writing about mike johnson's ascension to house speaker. >> another good one. >> really quickly molly, let's just talk about what u -- we have seen what tubberville is doing in the senate and what the republicans are doing in the house, endangering israelis, endangering jews right now. they held up funding for israel for three weeks. now they're playing a game saying, unless you allow billionaires to cheat on their taxes, we're not going to support jews. same thing with ukraine. they're not even talking about ukraine. they are vladimir putin's best friend right now. >> yeah. well they don't want to fund any of this. and they don't ultimately want to fund the government. it's an incredible bit of sourcery what's happening right now in the house of representatives. you have mike johnson who was a back bencher until last week, elevated to speaker. he had never met mitch mcconnell. >> by the way, no vetting at all. >> none. >> there are a lot of republicans that are going, we don't know what's going to come out about this guy. we're very, very concerned. >> what's come out in the last four days is unbelievable stuff. i mean, his wife is involved in, you know, in lgbtq therapies. i mean, there's a lot of stuff that's just unbelievable. >> so your latest piece for vanity fair, molly, is entitled welcome to maga mike's house. in it you write in part, quote, more than three weeks of abject chaos, republicans finally united behind relative newcomer mike johnson. it was like s many things done in this trumpfied republican party. sloppy and strange and without much forethought. instead of picking a veteran house member who knew everyone in the caucus an was able to appeal to their particular political needs when it comes to whipping votes, republicans landed on someone who was so unknown that few disliked him. perhaps maga mike johnson's biest problem will end up being his enormous catalog of comments showcasing his wildly out of th mainstream religious views. joson has also staunchly anti-lgbtq plus rights. he called being gay a dangerous lifestyle and inherently unnatural. >> also good lead to the publican. >> johnson's extremistie surfaced the clock is ticking toward another shutdown the government only fde until november 17th along wit other pressing members. did i mention johnson still hasn't changed the one-person motion to vacate his speakership could be even shorter than mccarthy's. but who knows at the rate he's doing. he's appealing to these -- >> yeah. and on the more words of melissa manchester, even the simple things become rough. funding for israel should be the easiest thing. he can't figure out how to fund israel and can't figure out how to fund ukraine's efforts to push back a russian invasion, how is he going to figure out how to fund the government? >> well, i don't think he wants to. right? the idea of doing paid fors for emergency aid is unprecedented. and i think there's a reason for that. he hopes that he can put aid versus the government and make democrat -- put democrats in a tough position, but he doesn't realize he doesn't have his party's support. mitch mcconnell wants to do this aid. it will be interesting to see this show. >> mike mechanical wants to do this aid. the majority of republicans want to do this aid. >> that's the keyword, majority. minority is holding this up. tom, speaker mike johnson is smoother than a jum jorder. he has that calm, southern demeanor. when you go down and read through his views and policy positions, we could add in also that he was a leader from the constitutional he thought side of overturning the 2020 election. so he is as maga as it gets. but you say perhaps the elevation of mike johnson to the speakership could have political benefits to the white house. >> yes, absolutely. i think inside of all this there's a real gift to president biden. a lot has been made of the fact that he's an election denier. we have a poster boy for election denialism in donald trump. what the democrats need is a poster boy for a national abortion ban and mike johnson is just that. he has a deep ideological view of banning abortion nationally. it's the one issue that really seems that president biden is still winning on in every poll, economy, immigration, crime, obviously not going well in terms of polling. but abortion issue is one that the democrats own and the most important issue for the most important constituency for the upcoming elections. >> it's funny, donald trump is trying to backtrack, saying oh, i'm going to be everybody's friend. i'm this. donald trump's only problem is that democrats have him on tape bragging time and time again. i'm the one who killed roe v. wade. i am the one that killed abortion rights. i'm the one that killed women's opportunity to make their own choice. he took credit so many times. and they have him on tape. that's going to be running in ads before the election. >> absolutely. he's going to try to muddy the differences there between the democratic position and his. but the opportunity to brand mike johnson as a poster boy for national abortion brand is there. they need to grab. it they need to move fast. this is not only for president biden in the swing states with independent suburban women but it's really important for taking back the house. you have those five swing districts in new york. obviously overturning roe v. wade. did not change abortion law in new york state. a national abortion ban would. abortions are actually up nationally. and that's because women have figured out they got to get to states if they're going to have that choice that allow them and a national abortion ban would take that away. this is a galvanizing issue in red and blue states alike. >> molly, so little was known about mike johnson before his ascension to speakership that senator susan collins of maine told reporters she had to google him. we're learning more by the day. between now and then, that's a long year. talk to us about what you worry about? >> the ultimate goal here is to shut down the government. this is part of the burn it down party. he is much more religious than the maga republicans maybe but ultimately is aligned with that same thing. i worry about ukraine aid. i worry about israel aid. how does this government work if it's led by someone who, a, doesn't really know the rules and, b, doesn't really want it to work. >> yeah, vanity fairs molly jong fast and news weeks tom rogers. thank you both very much. >> how was trick or treating last night? >> well, the grand kids were extremely successful. but ended up giving away their own candy when my daughter ran out. it was a real selfless act on the part of a 2.5-year-old. >> 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to ourselves as it is tradition not to share the name until the bris. something didn't feel right. the next day we looked at each other and we said, his name is isaac. and thereafter his name was isaac. the name god chose for the first born jew means, well, none of us figured how to translate it but it's either something like he who laughs or simply laughter. think of it. the first jew was named laughter. the fact that god promises abraham are make us a great nation, not only a reward, but a perpetual threat, the enemy of others who would want to make us small or destroy us all together. that's some prize we got. it's the reason jews have told some version of this joke forever. the jew goes up to heaven and asks whether jewsr the chosen people. yes, god says. well, would you mind choosing someone else for a change. laughter. maybe we are celebrating laughter. laughter is not only his name it is his guide post says it should be our. these are among the worst weeks of my life, of all of our lives, i think, but we cannot allow the evil doers to rob us of the glories of this earth, its beauties, its bounties, it's joys. that's what they want from us, isaac. what they want from us jews. they want us to sink into our despairs. exists mow in the wake of the holocaust because had it existed before there would have been no holocaust. just as there will be no holocaust now because there is an israel. just as we will live to laugh and to celebrate and to live as jews. >> john, that was beautiful. thanks. >> wow. >> thank you. >> thank you for letting us share that. >> thank you. i'm honored. and moved that you've chose to share that. >> you know, in darkness, in the darkest times we see the light. and we appreciate it so much more. and it's hard to read a post that you said -- that you wrote couple days ago without tearing up. but you write this -- >> i was in front of my synagogue. a car pulled up. two men in the front seat. one said, is this your building. i said yes. he said we are egyptian muslims. we stand with you. we are sorry for what happened to you. and we will stand with you. thank you, i said. trying not to cry. >> i am trying not to cry. >> so that was the night before the bar mitzvah where i spoke. we had a friday night dinner at the synagogue. and i was waiting for my 93-year-old father to arrive a in a taxi cab to help him out to bring him to the synagogue's room where we had set up the dinner. and this car pulls up and stops. and i'm immediately -- you know, my hackles go up. i'm on guard. i don't know what's going to happen. it was such a beautiful and unexpected moment. i mean, we had i think the world has seen also on twitter this footage of this gentleman in forrest hills queens confronting somebody who is pulling down one of the makeshift handmade posters of the kidnapped kids. that's a much more graphic or profane -- things like that mean -- >> but after seeing that video said, yeah, we're in that tribe. >> you guys are. and it means so much that moments like that, but it means so much if you look at american polling, you know, over 70% of americans say that they understand that israel was unjustly and unfairly attacked. they support aid to israel. they also in equal numbers support humanitarian aid to gaza. that's the i don't know how that works logistically to be honest, but you can see the two faces of the united states there, meaning on the one hand, this unjust attack on an american ally and on the other hand, what can we do to make sure that the horrors that are going to follow this are minimized. what can we do? and that is one of the reasons that i love this country so much that it can show those two faces at the same time. >> yeah. should be able to. >> yeah. i think we do. i think we do it at real moments. it's the classic thing about america that there's an earthquake in a country that maybe 50% of the people in this country haven't heard of. >> right. >> in 24 hours, oceans of money are raised from everywhere from churches, from civilian groups, from whoever. then the question is always, that's the emotion. how do you get it there? how do you make it work? how do you make sure that that largeouso the generosity gets to the people who need it. that's the question about the aid to gaza. how do we make sure that hamas doesn't take it and give it to the hamas terrorists and not to the children who need it. >> willie, we say out the time the united states have freed more people than any other country in the history of human kind. and that is the truth. and that is something that's great about our country. i will say another thing that all of this brings up is i always remembered this quote i read from paul mccartney a long time ago that we talked about here, too, which is i asked why are you such an optimist. because i just look around talking about the good guys. they have them outnumbered. that's still the truth. you hear that story outside the synagogue, we have them outnumbered. >> yeah, i tell my kids that all the time. they have come in age in the world the last ten years in particular where all they see and hear is conflict and fighting domestically. there's much more light than dark in the world. dark gets a lot of attention but there is much more light. we were talking in the break about bar mitzvahs and the need for security at bar mitzvahs and synagogues across the country and the way you felt when that car pulled up. it's important to tell people and to tell our audience what it feels like in this moment for you and for jews in america and around the world because never again over the generations is important but it's become a hashtag, a refrain, a cliche. boy, here is the moment where never again really means something. >> look, they're there as a fascinating divide going on here. i walk around -- obviously new york is a very jewish city. i'm not walking around feeling unsafe as a jew, myself. but if i lived in paris where they're painting star of david on buildings owned by jews for reasons that we do not understand and p i had been living in paris the last 10 or 15 years i would certainly feel extraordinarily unsafe. i tell this story, a kid my daughter was in nursery school with was at tulane. there's two americas. there's the america of the guys who rolled down the window in front of the building. or the guy in america at forest hill and then there's this elite america and this kid my daughter went to nursery school with and went through much of school with was at tulane. there was a pro-cease fire what i would say a pro-hamas demonstration going on adjacent to the campus. trucks were driving by carrying the palestinian flag and somebody tried to set -- standing in the bed of the pickup tried to set an israeli flag on fire. a kid runs up with his own israeli flag, doesn't have anything else, waving it at the israeli flag that they were trying to set on fire to stop that. somebody with a flag pole either hits him or moves the flag pole toward him and then this classmate of my daughters runs up to help his friend and some protester with a megaphone smashes it in his face, breaks his nose, blood is gushing. he's sent to the hospital. that's a college campus, the worst images that we are seeing aren't, you know, the things that people -- regular joe anti-semites who, you know, yahoos from the '30s. christians who hate jews. these are elite people in the most highly educated settings in america who decided to subscribe to a doctrine that seems to suggest that violence when you have a political disagreement or don't like the existence of a certain country that violence against people who are either like that country or want to support it are justified. >> it's jews. violence against jews. >> right. so this -- i just saw this morning kben on twitter, citizen journalists was a kid walking on the harvard campus with a yamica on and there's a protest and they surround him and attempt to take him on. he is trying to get from point a to point b. they decide to make a bullying example of him. >> at harvard. >> yeah. that is not happening, you know, in forest hillsqueens. it's happening in cambridge. it's happening in stanford. it's happening, you know, at the university of california in santa cruz or in new orleans at tulane. that's a very interesting -- in. the american people are not the villains here, you know, in that sense. i don't feel unsafe in america because of the american people. i think that people have real reason to start feeling unsafe because of the american elite. that's a very weird factoid. >> i have heard from friends their jewish kids are afraid to go to class, and they are afraid at what happened at harvard could happen on their campuses. the reason they are afraid is because they don't have school administrators making them feel safe. it's that simple. >> the response from too many prestigious schools was astounding. astounding. this is a question, john, that could be unanswerable. but this disease, and anti-semitism is the disease, why does it linger, recede, erupt and always the focus is on -- as joe just pointed out, the jews? why? >> for my people it's the oldest of all questions, and it lingers, you know, at passover time. we say this, and it's not a prayer, but it's what is said in passovern every generation they rise up to kill us, and our lord, our god, holds up his hand. you have gaza and you have multiple incidents over time. you have the holocaust, obviously. you have the expulsion from spain. you have the pwab alonen exile. jews become targets. and the reason why israel exists, they become targets when they appear weak, not when they appear strong. you would think you have to go and get that guy because he is going to come and take my land or do x, y or z. that's why in the wake of october 7th and this massacre, anti-semitic incidents have spiralled here and all over the world, because it's like motive means an opportunity moment. they look weak, and therefore it's a free shot. when jews look strong or powerful -- whatever it is, we seem to be less at risk. and that's part of what -- willie, when you asked about synagogues and what it's like at a synagogue, for example, for five years the tree of life synagogue was attacked in pittsburgh five years ago, and synagogues have been hardening themselves. just like every office building in america, and you come in here and you have to go through security and a whole thing and that's 20 years since 9/11 and all that. on the one hand you think that's life. my kid's day school has a elaborate security system, a jewish day school, but these are houses of worship. the whole idea of a house of worship is that its door is open. the church door is not supposed to be locked and a synagogue door is not supposed to be locked, and i would say not just for jews but for all, there's something deeply and morally disruptive about the idea that you don't feel safe in your spiritual, moral, religious sanctuary and you need to preserve your safety. and it's just a fact now, but you do what you have to do. >> editor of commentary, john, thank you. what an important and special conversation. thank you very much. >> thank you, mika. still ahead, steny hoyer will join us and we will ask him about how the fight in the house over aid to israel will play out. plus, switching things up, grammy-winning singer, huey lewis, will be our guest for an exclusive announcement this morning. you're watching "morning joe." at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana 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whack-a-mole. >> antony blinken laying out the importance for financial support for israel and ukraine, and that's in response to an israel only aid package from house republicans that also came with a catch. we will look at where that fight is headed. plus, the head of the fbi is warning the hamas attacks could be the greatest threat to the united states since isis. also ahead, we will explain the latest labor dispute. this one is being dubbed farmageddon. it's wednesday, along with joe, harry and me. >> i was nervous. look at willie, guys. >> that's harry. >> i can't tell the difference. >> there it is. >> oh, yes. >> he kind of looks like harry -- who is the "down by the river guy" on "saturday night live." >> it's really bizarre. >> i researched harry styles' moves, and -- >> we can't separate you from harry. >> what is amazing about that, you get to work with "snl" hair and wig, and for a couple hours you are on "snl," and then they strip it. >> you don't get to keep that? >> no. >> they work with lemire every morning. >> no. >> a shout-out to the "today" show team. >> jonathan lemire is with us, and david ignatius -- >> he was himself last night? >> yeah. >> perhaps as a journalist. it was a great costume. >> trick-or-treat? >> always. >> let's get right to the news. the border between gaza and egypt is now partially open. these are live pictures from the rafah crossing where ambulances are passing into gaza for the first time, this as the territory's hospital system is on the verge of collapse. the border reopened this morning after qatar helped to broker a deal. it's not clear how long the rafah crossing will remain open. meanwhile, in gaza israeli forces are continuing their ground offensive pushing deeper into the territory, and there are reports of israeli troops clashing with hamas. israel acknowledged it carried out yesterday's deadly attack at the largest refugee camp. israel says it was targeting hamas infrastructure and killed dozens of terrorists, including a commander who, they say, was the architect of the october attack. israel has yet to confirm the number of casualties. nbc news also cannot independently verify the numbers. this is the chaos and the confusion that leads to a lot of the fighting around the world about this as to who exactly is doing what to whom, but the understanding is that a lot of hamas terrorists use these people as human shields. >> well, they use gaz civilians, and hospitals and refugee camps. they have used them to shield themselves from attacks, and there in lies the problem. how do you destroy a terrorists organization that has no problems burning your babies alive and gunning down kids at concerts, when they literally use gazans as human shields, hospitals where they conduct operations underground. an israeli dies, that's good news for hamas. a palestinian dies, that's good news for hamas. that's how they live and think. you wrote a column talking about how horrible the state of the palestinians has been for a very long time, and how hamas, starting in 2005, was able to hijack palestinians earning to be free. >> joe, i tried to describe how this earning that the palestinians have, and it's been true for many decades. i was going back in the early '80s in this column, and the yearning for freedom and self-respect, and i wanted in this piece to try and suggest a little bit of the humanity in the palestinian citizens where we are seeing in the painful images from the refugee camp and others, and many are civilians and love their kids as much as you and i love ours. watching urban warfare is always so painful. it's something where wherever it happens, it's terrible to watch. i watched this in beirut in 1982, and in lebanon in 2006. secretary blinken made the point in his testimony yesterday the way that israel defends itself matters. in other words, you do have to remember to abide by the international laws of warfare even against the most despicable adversary, and hamas qualifies as that. it's a terrible difficult dilemma for israeli commanders and it's one they have faced before, the international pressure to stop the action before they achieve their goal, rooting out the hamas leadership, and that may grow on friday when the leader of hezbollah speaks in lebanon. we need to keep our eye on that. >> urban warfare, it was in our time and in the past, and you look at the firebombing of tkrez done. you look at tokyo where the bombings of tokyo were more deadly than the bombings of hiroshima and -- it's been heinous. it has caused so many moral dilemmas. i do want to ask you, david, we started by talking about the crossings into egypt and making the palestinian cause even more difficult is the fact that arab nations in recent years have been great about putting out press releases without their support for the palestinians, but they don't like the palestinians. let's just say it right here. i will say it right here. cc doesn't want any palestinians in his country. you look in jordan, and you look across most sunni arab nations, and things have gone from bad to worst in the past 15 years because arab nations say they don't want them. that's why the abraham accords started doing something the united states had not done before -- or israel had not done before, and that's israel setting up peace deals with the help of jared kushner and the trump administration, where they worked directly with israel and the uaw. what may have started all of this is the fact that now the biden administration was getting close to an israel-saudi arabia deal with the palestinians for the first time cut out of the equation. can you please explain to our viewers -- and i really don't know the answer. i know you do, though. when and why do the arab nations turn on the palestinian people? why is it that in egypt, it was so hard for us to convince him and open up the palestinian refugees go in with their families and live safety? >> like you said, other arab nations were afraid the palestinian influx would be destabilizing, and that was the case in lebanon, and that led to a civil war, and there's a desire to keep palestinians in an area they claim as their homeland and not let israel push them out to some other space. i think it goes down to basic domestic security concerns. i do think, as you say, the abraham accords were really important in changing the dynamic, where the arabs finally -- well, the uae, this wonderful accord between the uae and israel may be in danger. the uae strongly called for a cease-fire at the u.n. expressing its concern about the continuation of this fight. i want to note one other thing, joe, our viewers should keep their eyes on. secretary blinken said yesterday that he thinks after this war ends, and we hope it will end soon, the only way to provide security in gaza is for arabs that care about the palestinians to come in and support new and better palestinian governance so hamas, a group, really of terrorists, is not running the place, and it's run by more decent palestinians that can do a better job of running gaza, and we will see if the uae and other nations are willing to help in that project that secretary blinken discussed yesterday, and if they refuse, i don't know where this goes. >> what is interesting about that, willie, is i have talked to people in the region who have said when i suggested this possibility a couple weeks ago, i said well, what about a u.n.-led peacekeeping force of arab nations, where they could go in there, and the response was not what i expected. we will do it but the united states has to be all in. we need your hand. we need your leadership. you guys can't just sit there and let it just go back and forth. if the united states is in, this person said, i could see sunni-arab states going in as peacekeeping forces to protect the palestinians and help them set up a government that is not run by terrorists. >> and it has been since 2005. >> right. >> gaza -- or, excuse me, the gaza, yeah, it has been run by hamas since 2005. speaking of american leadership on this question, as expected, the white house has come out against the plan that includes aid for israel, and it resends the irs funding, and that was marked for the irs agents to go after people who are tax delinquent. the statement says the bill fails to meet the urgency of the moment by deepening our divides and eroding bipartisan support for the security. the president made it clear that includes a aid package for ukraine, israel and chuck schumer and mcconnell expressioned their support on a whole package. and blinken met with mike johnson for 25 minutes, and the secretary called it a, quote, a positive meeting but shared no additional details. we talked about this yesterday on the show, where this kind of funding is not subject to offsets. the fact that mike johnson, as his first major act as speaker, he said, okay, we will support for support for ukraine but help us defund the irs. >> yeah, it's meant to act urgently, when given to a nation, an ally, israel, when in need. speaker johnson is nodding to his conservative base, and in particular those handful of republicans in the house that got him that job by ousting mccarthy. and those oppose aid to ukraine, and this is not going to go anywhere. they are going to jam this up and restore a lot, but it's going to slow down -- it's going to slow down the ability to get u.s. aid to israel in a time when they need it the most. >> what i don't understand, willie, is this, the only people that would like this bill other than mike johnson's small group of people there, a bill that stops funding for israel and stops funding for ukraine and the border and stops funding to protect taiwan from china would be anti-semites that hate jews, and hate immigrants and vladimir putin. how do you put that on the 32nd add if you are a republican? i swear to god. those are the four categories of people that would be glad if this bill continued to linger, and that's johnson's first move. >> yeah, it's not even an offset, and it doesn't make sense other than to the small group of people that gave him the job. david ignatius, the president said obviously i will not sign anything like that, and it won't even get through the senate, and it's not just democrats but mitch mcconnell that opposed this as well. what is your sense of how it will shake out and how it looks to our ally, israel? >> well, willie, i always thought the bipartisan support for ukraine aid would continue, but i get more and more dubious as i watch behavior like the new speaker. i was in ukraine before the israeli war, and if the united states doesn't support them, we are in trouble. these brave ukrainians are doing the fighting, and they are asking for what -- in terms of our budget, is a modest amount to keep fighting, and what is astonishing to me, as they head into winter, they are being, in effect, nickel and dimed by the republicans in congress. i wish those people could see a little of what you see when you visit ukraine and see the bravery of these people. i can't imagine they would continue to resist supporting this aid at a time when ukraine needs it. >> president biden is now clearly winning politically with support on israel, with republicans opposing him. this is not like the hospital explosion. no ambiguity here. this is something the u.s. warned israel about, and no question the president has been in on israel and it looks like the republicans are waffling. >> well, the republicans are waffle, and they screwed israel for three weeks by playing games inside their own caucus, and while people are burying their dead in israel, and jews, there's a global war against them, and you have republicans playing games, blocking aid to israel and ukraine. >> not all of them. >> no, not all of them. we talked a lot about mccall, and most americans wanting to support ukraine, and the dominant wing now is voting for vladimir putin to win, if only 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>> assuming they don't plead the fifth, because if they do that would hurt them. typically in a criminal trial, no comment, but in a civil case, the judge and the jury can infer by taking the fifth what they said would be harmful to them and that's why they didn't answer. >> harmful of the civil case? >> yes, if they take the fifth. >> the problem is if you are one of the kids and you know they have been cutting corners and cheating at their father's behest, and their father has been lying about how much he's worth, and you are faced with if you want to be safe and don't want to commit perjury, you are faced with pleading the fifth, or committing perjury, and pleading the fifth could be their only route? >> if you lose a criminal trial, you might lose your liberty, and you could take the fifth and you will probably lose because it will be held against you in the civil trial, but at least anything you say won't be used against you because you have not said anything. >> right. mika, if you commit perjury in a civil trial, then you lose money and you get sent to jail. >> what about -- so pleading the fifth in a civil trial, you are saying, is actually -- it has more repercussions -- >> for a civil trial. >> what about saying i don't remember? 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>> thanks so much for having me on today. it's great to see you. i think it's plain and simple. if we don't continue to support ukraine, russia will win. that will have an extreme interest on us. it will cost us more over time. it will mean russia will most likely take over, annihilate ukraine and be on the border with nato, costing us more in repositioning troops to be even more on nato's eastern front, costing us more in terms of what we have to take away from other parts of the world and potentially posing a direct threat of world war iii. the consequences couldn't be higher. it's existential to ukraine, the fight. but it's in our interest of the united states that we help ukraine prevail and push russia out of ukraine. >> the conflict in ukraine slipped from the headlines in recent weeks because of the war in the middle east. of course, russia's aggression continues. can you give us an update at to what your ukrainian counterparts are telling you in terms of how the fight is going and what they currently need? >> well, maybe i would just step back for a second to look at the strategic picture. what we, the united states and our partners and allies have done for ukraine already is helped the ukraiianss take back over 50% of the territory taken by russia since the start of the full-scale invasion on february 24, 2022. that's extremely significant and positive. the ukrainians continue to fight. they are fighting using our military assistance, which means equipment. but not our people. they have said, we're not asking you to put boots on the ground. we are asking for you and other democracies, partners and allies, to help us push the russians out of ukraine, to move ukraine back to the 19991 borders. >> madam ambassador, walter isaacson is with us. he has the next question. >> madam ambassador, you painted a pretty apocalyptic picture of what happens if we don't get ukraine aid. it's quite possible it won't be passed. i know throughout this war there have been diplomatic initiatives from the chinese, the turks, and others. are there any diplomatic thoughts happening now? is there any plan to see if at least there could be a cease-fire in this war? >> i mean, i guess from my perspective, what i'm describing, i have almost 30 years of experience in this region, is not apocalyptic but realistic. russia is determined not to just have more territory but to take over ukraine. we saw this in the aggression in the effort to take over the capital. what is happening is very, very serious to u.s. interests. the idea of peace -- no one more than ukrainians wants peace. i have been out there with my team of incredible and extraordinary diplomats working with the ukrainians hand in glove on equipment and weapons for them. i can tell you personally that there's no one more than president zelenskyy who wants peace. however, a peace that is justifying or legitimatizing a change of borders is not a peace that can last. from my perspective with my experience -- i'm a professional diplomat. i have worked for five different presidents. this aggression from russia is extraordinarily dangerous to our interests. it's been going on for a long time. this is a moment where we can stop it and show with partners and allies, not us alone, but show putin that this aggression needs to cease. >> madam ambassador, what would be your message to some of these republicans who seem to be turning on the issue of ukraine and bringing up the concept of not supporting ukraine or not even including ukraine in their proposals that they are bringing to the table? if you could speak directly to them. >> so, i'm actually here in washington at the request of the secretary to be able to justify and speak to why it's important for the united states to continue supporting ukraine. so i have been on the senate side of congress yesterday. i will be there again today and also on the house side. my message is a very simple one and much like what i started with, is that it is in our strategic interest to support ukraine. i know the president's budget request includes $50 billion that will in total go to help to build up our own defense industrial base. all of the security assistance that goes to ukraine goes in equipment. that is u.s. equipment that is being built in the united states, also creating jobs, and coming to ukraine. ukrainians are using them to great affect. i'm grateful myself that they are, because myself and my team are also living in ukraine. it's in the overwhelming strategic interest of the united states in the context of ensuring borders aren't changed by force in europe again, in the context of energy security, which russia uses as a weapon, in the context of food security. we are working hard to help to get ukrainian grain to the entire world, especially to the global south and food insecure countries. for many levels and for many reasons, it's critically important. it's also a moral question. i have not ever seen a war like -- i worked my whole career in the contested zone of europe and seen many conflicts. i started in the balkans. i have never seen anything like what's happening in ukraine. it's a horrific attack not just on military people, not just on ukraine's military forces, but on the people of ukraine. >> the u.s. ambassador to ukraine, thank you. it's always good to have you on the show. we appreciate it. thank you very much. it's exactly the top of the hour. >> walter, we have a new speaker who, again, is right now getting in the way of israeli aid passing. he knows he put poisoned pills in. obviously, he and some of his colleagues don't want israel to get that aid. you also see ukraine being completely left out of this funding bill, along with border security, along with some money that's going to be used to help taiwan push back on china. you spent time with the new speaker. most people in washington don't really know much about him at all. what have been your insights? >> i'm from louisiana. he is from upstate. he is one of the most conservative people sent to congress. there's a big difference between angry, resentful people who are trying to divide us on the populous conservative side and somebody who is very conservative but i think is -- wants to be decent in some ways personally. you can argue that. there will be a lot of pushback there. but he is not a person who tries to sow division. i suspect he will put a clean israeli funding measure in front of the house. i suspect he will separate it but also allow a vote on ukraine to come. the question is, will there be enough republican willing to vote for ukraine aid to join democrats in passing what will be a separated but relatively clean bill? >> the white house very much wants these things linked. they have not budged off of the massive package. they would link it all. certainly, there will be room for negotiation. aides i spoke to in the last 48 hours were turned off by this first move by the speaker. we saw republicans take three weeks to get the speaker. no one wanted jim jordan to take the post. when the new speaker johnson came into power, there was some hope, maybe he will be reasonable. they were able to work with kevin mccarthy sometimes. why would he make this his first move? why would he load this with poison pills that he know would be repellent to the west wing and no chance to get to the senate and interpreted as a nod to the extreme right wingers that ousted mccarthy? >> will he allow a cleaner version of the bill? i'm guessing he will. but i've been wrong at times. >> interesting. we will follow this. top headlines this hour, the border between gaza and egypt is partially open. the egyptian red crescent society says the first batch of foreign nationals stuck in gaza has officially crossed over. 500 people have been approved to leave the territory. this comes just one day after israel acknowledged it carried out yesterday's deadly attack at gaza's largest refugee camp. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel has the latest. >> reporter: ambulances went through the rafah border crossing between gaza and egypt after a long awaited deal to evacuate some sick and injured for treatment. it is being described as a first stage and that more will follow. it comes as anger is growing after an israeli strike devastated part of a refugee camp on the edge of gaza city in northern gaza. israel said it carried out a significant strike that killed a senior hamas leader involved in the october 7th massacre of 1,400 israelis. in gaza, they are calling this a massacre, too. among the anguish are cries against the united states, which, like israel, is rejecting calls for a cease-fire, saying it would benefit hamas. a nearby hamas-run hospital says dozens were killed and hundreds wounded. nbc news cannot independently verify those numbers. shortly after the attack, most communications in gaza were shut down. a blackout for the second time in this conflict. israel says it is targeting hamas leaders and that israeli troops are now fighting deep within the gaza strip in street to street battles with hamas militants and taking casualties. the israeli military says at least 11 soldiers have been killed so far. prime minister netanyahu saying, our soldiers have fallen in the most just of wars, the war for our home. the fighting is also dangerous for the 240 israeli hostages, including dozens of children taken by hamas and held at least sometimes in hamas' tunnels. one hostage is back with her family. this private rescued by israeli troops. while natalie, an american teenager taken hostage by hamas, is also back home in the chicago area. she was freed 12 days ago. >> richard engel reporting there. joining us live is kelly cobiella. what more can you tell us about the americans now going into gaza -- excuse me, going to egypt from gaza at the rafah crossing? >> reporter: a u.s. official has confirmed that some americans have been able to make it out of gaza for first time since this war began back on october 7th. we understand the number is less than ten, with more americans expected to get out tomorrow. these americans who have been able to cross over today are still in transit and in process, according to this u.s. official. he called this deal struck to get people out through the rafah crossing encouraging. this is a deal that has been brokered with the help of qatar, talking to hamas, israel, and egypt, the u.s. also involved. he said this was struck after days of around the clock diplomatic efforts. we know from the secretary of state that 500 american citizens are in gaza. you include their family members, secretary of state blinken said that's roughly 1,000 people. we can see these huge crowds at the rafah crossing. clearly, not all of them will be able to get out today. we understand according to this deal that was struck that there's a list of names, about 500 names of people who are going to be allowed out. all different nationalities, not just americans. we will have to see how this plays out once again tomorrow. we have talked about this over the past few weeks, about foreign nationals waiting at that crossing, hoping to get across. several promises of the crossing opening one day to the next and then nothing happening. this has got to be huge relief to those people who were able to get out. we will see how this progresses tomorrow, if those people on that list are able to cross over. one more note, this deal also includes some people who were critically injured inside gaza. they, too, allowed to cross over into egypt for treatment. >> kelly cobiella, a trickle of americans crossing today, hopefully more tomorrow, live in tel aviv. thanks so much. we appreciate it. social media posts made by a department of homeland security employee were the subject of a contentious exchange. john hawley and secretary mayorkas sparred. >> mr. secretary, what's going on here? is this typical of people who work at dhs? this is an asylum and immigration officer who is posting these pro-genocidal slogans and images on the day that israelis are being slaughtered in their beds. what have you done about this? >> mr. chairman, may i? >> if you would like to have a minute to respond. >> i would. i'm not sure i will limit it to 60 seconds. >> that's fine. >> number one, what i found despicable is the implication that this language, tremendously odious, could be emblematic of the sentiments of the 260,000 men and women of the department of homeland security. number two, senator hawley takes an adversarial approach to me in this question, and perhaps he doesn't know my own background. perhaps he does not know that i am the child of a holocaust survivor. perhaps he does not know that my mother lost almost all her family at the hands of the nazis. so i find his adversarial tone to be entirely misplaced. i find it to be disrespectful of me and my heritage. and i do not expect an apology. but i did want to say what i just articulated. thank you. >> someone needed to do a little research. >> a little bit of research. that's the problem. >> the grandstanding. >> yeah, the shock opera. it's repulsive. it's repulsive. what was most repulsive was senator hawley suggesting that the son of a holocaust survivor was anti-semitic. >> the suggestion that one post leads to rot. it means there's rot in dhs, in the government, the deep state. he is trying to make a point with one truly despicable post by one employee. obviously, some poor staff work there not to know that secretary mayorkas is a child of a holocaust survivor. >> how does a guy who did the best he could do to rev up the crowds on january 6, jonathan, start a riot that would end with the death of four police officers, in the days that followed, days and weeks that followed, would lead to the first insurrection against the united states of america, how does a guy like that -- first of all, how is he still in the united states senate is beyond me. i'm shocked by that, first of all. secondly, how does this guy take the high road on any issue? he is completely, totally, utterly without shame calling a holocaust survivor's son anti-semitic. >> shamelessness is a defining characteristic of so many in the republican party right now, particularly those who have aligned themselves so closely with donald trump. hawley is someone who is playing to conservative media audiences, playing to shock opera, playing to those he can whip up money from. i took a stand against joe biden's dhs and raised money off of it. secretary mayorkas quickly put him in his place. >> we have really -- it's amazing how quickly we have seen congress devolve from even 20, 25 years ago. >> especially the senate. >> especially the senate. being a place where you had giants, people who dedicated their lives to working with the other side to now just being an institution that is filled with people who don't govern. they just gesture, like josh hawley. >> yeah. performative shock art has become what politicians try to do, so many of them. our system, ever since 1790 or so, has been based on the fact that we temper some of the passions and we figure out the checks and balances. there's so many reasons in our society, starting with everything from money to social media to the way gerrymandering works, that led us to this performative art that you see in josh hawley, rather than the type of people, especially the senators in the '50s and '60s and '70s who figured out how to do civil rights legislation and come to some balances. >> joining us now, senior political correspondent for "the wall street journal," molly ball. her latest piece is entitled "the left is tearing itself apart over israel." and there is that. explain what your reporting is showing. there's different points of view sort of helping -- not helping the biden administration with its message. >> that's right. i think we have seen in the weeks since the israel/hamas conflict began with the terrorist attacks on october 7th a real ripping apart of the liberal coalition. as you have been talking about, the administration itself has been mostly united. democrats in congress have been mostly united with a few prominent exceptions. but there's a real a aggitat -- progressive left doesn't like the approach to the conflict and feels that palestinian and muslim american voices are being overlooked. the president last week met with muslim leaders in the white house who told him that he was losing a lot of support in that community. at the same time, on the other side, you have a lot of liberal jews who feel abandon, overlooked, targeted even and who have been, they tell me, disillusioned by the way people that they once saw as allies have not necessarily taken their side in this conflict. i think tempers are very hot and it's a very emotional and personal issue for a lot of people in this sort of liberal coalition. >> some of the progressive members, particularly in the house of representatives, who have been apologizing to some affect for hamas and blaming israel for what happened, they are not facing primary challengers over this issue. how seriously are they taking those challenges? >> well, it's not clear exactly who and where are going to get the challenges. this is part of a pattern we have seen over last several years. we have seen a lot of the opposition in democratic primaries to those members who affiliate with the so-called squad, the furthest left fringe of the democratic party in congress. their challenges have mostly come from the pro-israel sort of center of the democratic party. there's been -- these battles have been happening since 2020 when the group -- democratic majority for israel was one of the major spenders opposing bernie sanders and his primary campaign. also opposed a lot of the -- those squad members, mostly successful, not entirely. look at jamal bowman for example, who beat the foreign relations head. this has been simmering for many years. what's happening overseas has supercharged it. i think in 2024, we will see this play out in a lot of primaries. you will see this becoming a deepening fracture in the democratic party. >> all right. "the wall street journal's" molly ball, thank you so much. appreciate it. jonathan, a couple of things. the attack, so horrific. the humanitarian crisis so horrific right now. we hesitated to talk about american politics, but we do -- a lot of people in washington and across the country watch this show. we need to talk about the political impact of this domestically. if you see biden numbers, where his poll numbers are dropping, 10, 12 points within the democratic party, which will show donald trump ahead in a lot of swing states. right now you are seeing that, because there are a lot of democrats who disagree with joe biden over israel. they will come home. but that's one issue. more specifically, since this is an election that will be decided in seven states, more specifically, this is a real problem for joe biden. not that he doesn't know it. know it before he made what i think is a courageous decision. a real issue for him in michigan. it's a real issue in michigan because there's large muslim communities in michigan who obviously do not agree with joe biden on his position over israel. >> michigan is onef the seven states that's going to decide the election. debbie dingell was on and sounding red alarms. shouting at the screen, be careful. there's a lot of unhappiness right now in my community, districts she represents who are very unhappy right now in how he handled the situation. they feel he sided with israel. she's concerned -- she noted, we are still 53 weeks out, there's a long time before the election. in a race where margins are so slim, michigan is representative of a place where he could be in trouble because of this. he is going to minnesota today. it's another state not like others, but one that will be competitive. donald trump has played there before. a large arab american population. we don't know if he will address this today. we know it's on the west wing's radar. they can read the pulse. they see this could be an issue going forward. not that necessarily muslim americans are going to turn out for donald trump. it's whether they stay home. >> walter, it's i think important for white house to underline the reality that they have been supportive of israel. they have leaned on netanyahu hard to be cautious in his approach to rooting out hamas. and also in his speech, we were listening to his speech with the australian prime minister. in that speech, he condemned radical settlers in the west bank, pushing forward with illegal settlements and also threatening palestinians there. i think that's something he needs to underline in michigan. >> he is trying to balance it. the real problem is, i don't see how this situation in the middle east ends any time soon. there's just not a good resolution. we heard from the ambassador to ukraine that that's not going to end any time soon. i think there's a general sense even among his -- joe biden's supporters that things are very unsettled and a mess now. we are just seeing truly bad images on television. what really surprises me -- i may turn this to jonathan because i don't get it. the economy is pretty good. unemployment is pretty low. inflation is somewhat tamed. >> gdp over 4%. >> over 4%. his numbers keep dropping on the economy. >> polls suggest americans aren't feeling it. it's to the frustration of the white house that keeps pointing to the numbers. they made this bidenomics pitch a few months ago that didn't move the needle. it sent the numbers the other way. they feel like americans will feel more confident about their spending ability, about their stability with their paycheck, with their savings next year sometime. but right now it's a problem. it's one of the areas where poll after poll suggests americans trust republicans, in particular donald trump, more on the nation's economy. >> despite the case for bidenomics, the numbers have moved in the wrong direction. the line that president biden is trying to walk, which is difficult, is hamas must be destroyed. we agree with israel on that. we need to protect the civilians of gaza. we need to allow humanitarian aid in there. that becomes muddied when you see refugee camps destroyed and residents killed. we stand shoulder to shoulder with israel, but we have to look out for the civilians. coming up, cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins us to break down the looming decision from the fed on interest rates. we will explain the earthquake that hit the u.s. home sales market. 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nothing? >> so much love. >> we have a lot to talk to andrew about. >> we have a lot to talk about. there's some stories i jump into immediately. >> i understand this is going to be big. it's like, i knew something was wrong. >> antitrust over high fees. >> this is huge. >> this has been a tax on the american people for the last 50 or 60 years. any time you buy a home, historically, you pay 3% as the buyer and then the seller is paying 3%. it's 6% total. >> that's a lot. >> this was a non-negotiable situation. what's finally happening is a court -- a jury has said that this is effectively an antitrust violation of sorts and that this should not be allowed. they will pay a $1.8 billion penalty. could skyrocket to $5 billion. what it really means i think -- this is happensn't just one sta. there's going to be a rethink about how brokers work. >> you can actually negotiate. >> right now, you can't negotiate. you have to pay the buyer and the 3%. >> maybe it's 2%. maybe it's 1.5%. maybe we have market -- >> if you can get this house off my hands quickly, i will pay you more. if it takes you longer, i will pay you less. if you don't use a broker, you won't pay. it's possible. up until now, we have been paying an extraordinary amount of money on the single largest purchase that american families pay on. >> with high interest rates and housing costs, it's impossible. >> having said that, in fairness, there's going to be a lot of brokers watching us saying, this is our family income. the real question is going to be how the brokerage industry remakes itself. you are right, there will be people who will be losers in this. there are people -- brokers who spend years working effectively for free, trying to help you buy a property that you never buy and they never get anything. >> how will they make money? >> the question is how the model will work. there may be flat fees that have bonuses attached to them. i think you are going to see a remake -- hopefully a remake of the industry. but it's probably many, many years. >> it's to uneven. some people will talk to you one time, i found this house and we are moving into town. there's another one -- i won't give her name. the poor woman, i called her 1,000 times thinking about moving back to here or there. >> yes. >> she's worked for years. >> you are a waste of time. >> she deserves more than 3% if we ever move. >> how about cici french? she deserves more. >> exactly. we are concerned around the table. >> you will tip the broker? >> about pharmagedon. we are concerned about crappy service from pharmacies because they have gotten rid of -- they cut costs so much. >> the thing you should worry about is -- we should worry about the line and how annoying and all of that. but you should worry, they are doing a very important job. it's important that they put the right medicine and pill in the right jar, in the right amount. the real truth is -- you see studies about this. over the last decade, even that has gotten to be more complicated. they are making misjudgments and things. the question is whether cvs health which reported earnings today and others will invest in their labor and not just their labor, are they going to invest in technology and other things that fill the prescriptions? >> willie said his pharmacy shuts down in the middle of the week. >> on a wednesday and can't pick it up. if you can't support your local pharmacy that's not cvs or walgreens, but most don't have that anymore. for people who haven't heard, some employees, pharmacists are walking out. they don't have a union. they are not on strike. they are walking out because of the conditions. >> it's almost like being a robot. those lines are so long that the relationship you used to have with a pharmacist where they would know you, you could talk to them, you could talk about medicine and all of those things, that part of the job has almost disappeared. it's just a fulfillment job. how quickly can i put pills in the jar? >> what's happening with the fed? >> we will hear from the fed later today. >> we don't have a lot of time. we have 1,000 things. fed! go! >> quickly, we will hear from powell later today, 2:30 p.m., and it is unlikely he is going to increase interest rates or do anything i think materially. you are not -- >> even with the gdp over 4%? >> i think he is going to say, we're going to watch and wait. i think he will leave open the opportunity potentially for raising interest rates in december. having said that, adp, which looks at private payrolls came out with numbers today and actually was below estimates. there were less new hires this last month. that might actually offset -- >> less pressure. >> less pressure on inflation. we will get the -- i don't want to say the real jobs number, but the jobs number from the government, that happens friday. >> next question from somebody who along with taylor swift has helped drive the gdp with sales. >> is he a swiftie? >> his book has sold so much and lifted gdp over the last quarter. >> i have an economic question. biden's poll numbers going way down on economic things when inflation is pretty much under control, unemployment is pretty low. is part of it that mortgage rates and borrowing rates have gotten so high? >> the truth is mortgage rates have not impacted as many americans as you would think. a lot of people got their mortgages before or refinanced before. it's impacting new buyers more than anybody else. i think the reason to the extent there's a political question as to how is it possible that you look around in this economy and say, looks pretty good on a relative basis, you would think that would be to his benefit. the problem is life is relative. people look where they were three or four years ago, what they were able to buy. all the stimulus coming into the system, during the pandemic, which felt like a terrible time but in some cases economically felt like a yoho people. you could look -- just look at the stats and say, this seems pretty good, and it absolutely does. i think it's an emotional, psychological impact of, what does it feel like today for an actual feeling versus this period of time which felt more -- i don't want to say exciting. because the pandemic was terrible. from an economic perspective, there were people feeling like, this is working. by the way, it was working out better than they thought it was supposed to. that's a relative feeling. >> right, right. interest gs. >> thank you so much. quickly, back page of -- front section of "wall street journal," europe -- "the wall street journal" finance editor in europe wrote about evan gershkovich kidnapped by the russian government and a plea for people to remember evan, to stand with evan, fight for evan. unbelievable. >> walter, thank you very much for being on this morning. up next, democratic -- >> andrew, thank you, too. >> i love the opportunity to be here. you don't need to thank me. >> we appreciate it. >> steny hoyer is live in studio. what he is saying about his colleagues on the other side of the aisle. 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because it is making, first of all, aid to israel conditional. i'm not for that. ndly, it is sending a message that i'm sure putin, hezbollah, hamas, xi, kim jong-un all like, of disunity in america. a lack of resolve in confronting both ukraine and putin and hamas and supporting israel. it's a darn shame. it is what he said he wasn't going to do when he gave his first speech. we had one unifying vote on the israel resolution, support of israel. overwhelmingly, over 400 members voted for that. then shortly thereafter he comes with this decisive -- i mean this divisive -- what they have been showing the american people from the 15 votes on speaker to the 23 days they have shut down government and showed themselves unable to come to consensus within their own party. they are a party deeply divided, divisive and dysfunctional. >> you heard while they were delaying aid to israel and ukraine, it was the chairman in the house republican conference saying, president xi loves this. our enemies love this. >> yeah. as congressman hoyer knows, this is unusual to have something like this, try to have an offset. if it happens, it won't because of the senate and the president. i'm curious, congressman, with this speaker and really republicans across the board in the house how you approach working with them. you have to. you have to get things done for the country. when you know this speaker led the attempted coup against the government, that he was prosecuting the case that joe biden did not win the election, that donald trump should be election, even though votes said otherwise. how do you approach working with this group? >> it's tough. but we have worked with speaker mccarthy. we made a deal on the number for spending for this coming year. we made a deal on keeping the government open. we made a deal, and over 300 people voted for ukraine, over 400 people for israel. we are more united than the divided republican party displays not only to america -- that's bad enough -- but to our enemies and our allies throughout the world. >> congressman, you mentioned it was a vote to keep the government open that may have cost speaker mccarthy his job. that clock is ticking again. we are a few weeks away from the next shutdown. how confident are you this speaker with keep the government open this time? >> i know what he says. we will see what he does. he said in a letter that he sent out, if we cannot get the appropriation bills -- which they know they can't get done at the numbers that they are putting forward, because we're not going to vote for them. many of their party is not going to vote. the senate is doing the opposite, keeping the deal that mccarthy and biden made. we will have to see what he does. he said he would want to a cre to early january on april 15th. >> we will see. steny hoyer of maryland, thank you so much for coming in to the studio. it's nice to see you. >> always good to be with you. i love your comments on what we're doing or not doing. america needs to be united. america needs to be strong. we need to send a message of resolve to the rest of the world. >> thank you. >> agreed. thank you for all you do. >> good to see you. coming up, the power of love. if this is it, stuck with you. those are some of the many hit singles by our next guest. he joins us next. he will make a big announcement. we will be right back. in the u.s. we see millions of cyber threats each year. that rate is increasing as more and more businesses move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well. we need to rethink... next level moments, need the next level network. 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>> well, you know, i lost my hearing about eight years ago. i lost my right ear 35 years ago. i lost my left ear about eight years ago, so i can't perform. i can't really hear music anymore. it's all cacophony for me. i have hearing aids from the starkey hearing institute, thank you. >> i will second that thank you to them. >> i get along. this was an idea we had all along. we just started working on it ten years ago. it was actually my neighbor's son-in-law's idea to do this, and we're neighbors from the same small town, and ten years later here we are. >> that's awesome. >> that's great. >> i want to hear about your -- >> how did you decide which songs to go in? you have such an exhaustive catalog. what was that process? >> that's a very good question. the songs need to mean something in the show, so our producer, tyler mitchell whose idea this was is a big, big fan, and knew all of our music. he knows my music better than me, and he's the one who sort of laid the groundwork for that, and then of course we had to amend the songs a little bit to make sure that they push the story forward, and but we want to maintain the integrity of the songs, so it was quite a tough process, but it's all good now. >> so huey, you're such a positive person. i want to understand more about what it's like to live with hearing loss. as you can see, i'm speaking clearly, and also like joe, you have tinnitus, the ringing. how do you cope? and does working on this project help or hurt? >> yeah, well, yeah, as best you can is the answer. there's -- >> you cannot hear music. >> i cannot hear music. i can't hear pitch, even one note is out of tune with itself if that's understandable, almost like it's harmonized. you know, but you have to remind yourself every day there's a lot of people worse off, so -- >> right! you know, i get by and you need to stay busy and creative, that's what this musical is about. >> that's amazing. >> i've always wondered, can you -- can you even begin to comprehend the joy that you've brought to people's life? and the reason i ask that is, you know, we all grow and rock and roll's rock and roll. that's a cute three-minute stong. like the stones, beatles, whatever, and i'm sure when they came out nobody thought this far into the future we'd all be listening. your songs, i mean, i listen to your songs and me, willie, his wife go back to a time and a place. >> yes. >> i remember a rolling stone interview, you're talking about hitting a 7 iron 175 -- i mean, it brings everything back to me and your songs make people happy. can you even kind of begin to grasp how much that means to people? >> first of all, you're very sweet to say that. >> it's true. >> well, thank you. and yeah, you know, it's one of the things that keeps you going. i mean, i get notes and stuff from people and fans, and you know, i'm not a kind of nostalgic guy. i'm always kind of looking forward, but it is very, very gratifying to know that you've touched people's lives and made a difference. >> personally i came of age right around when sports came out, musically, mts and all those things converged at once. you were watching that clip, you said, boy, that feels like a lifetime ago. what is it like to watch those old videos and, again, to joe's point to know the legacy and endurance they have. >> we produced our own records and we did -- we did all our own videos because we wanted to make those decisions, and so when i watch that stuff, i keep thinking of things we should have done. i want to remix all the time. >> you can do it on stage on broadway. >> previews for the heart of rock and roll are scheduled to begin march 29th. >> so excited. >> next year at the james earl jones theater in new york city. huey lewis, thank you so much. it's great to see you. >> great to be here, thanks. is. >> thanks so much. that does it for us this morning. yasmin vossoughian picks up the coverage after a quick final break. k. new emergen-c crystals pop and fizz when you throw them back. and who doesn't love a good throwback? 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