Search his maralago estate if trump continued to refuse to hand over classified documents. We begin tonight with the first televised hearing in fani willis criminal case against former President Trump in georgia. Im Jason Johnson in tonight for joy reid. The trial will be televised and is coming very soon. Today, we have a taste of whats to come. Fulton county Superior Court judge scott mcafee said he would allow Kenneth Chesebro to sever his case from Sidney Powell. Chesebro and powell are among the 19 defendants in the georgia racketeering case. They have both asked for speedy trials. Chesebro is accused of being the, quote, architect of the Trump Elector scheme while Sidney Powell is facing a slew of charges that include an effort to improperly access Voting Machines in rural coffee county, georgia. The defendant said their cases were different and they wanted to be tried separately. Prosecutors response, that aint the way this works. So weve heard a lot from both defendants about they didnt know the other people. They were located thousands of miles apart. They didnt know the other parts of the conspiracy were going on. But the case law is clear, that that does not matter. Of course, any time a person enters into a conspiracy they are liable for all of the acts of all of their coconspirators. Thats it. Evidence against one is evidence against all. The prosecutor also reminded the court who this case is really about. Part of this Rico Conspiracy involves victims. There are victims in this case that were targeted by members of the enterprise and their lives were turned upside down. And thats an important part of this case. Having those people come and testify multiple times over and over would both inconvenience but more importantly traumatize them. Mack afee denied the defendants request, meaning chesebro and powell will stand trial together beginning on october 23rd. The judge is yet to schedule a date for the other 17 codefendants including donald trump. Earlier in the hearing, a prosecutor told mcafee that holding a joint trial for trump and the other defendants would take four months to complete. With testimony from potentially more than 150 witnesses. That time line doesnt account for jury selection. All 19 defendants charged in the Fulton County case including trump have pleaded not guilty and waived their right to an inperson arraignment which had been scheduled for today. This marks the fourth time that trump formally denied charges this year. The judge said he was, quote, very skeptical of Fulton County doern fani willis plan to put all 19 Defendantings Including Trump next month. The plan seemed, quote, a bit unrealistic giving the complex, legal and practical issues and the sprawling case. He would consider additional arguments. Joining me now to discuss all of this is katie phang, Greg Bluesteen and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida who is no longer affiliated with that party. Katie phang, were going to start with you. Youre down there in atlanta. You know, the judge is basically saying, hey, i appreciate the effort. I dont think youre going to be able to do this. What are some of the potential roadblocks here . I think its reasonable to say that trying 17 people at the same time could be tough. What are the concerns from a legal standpoint about that . Does he feel that the case would get jumbled . Does he feel that people who are guilty would end up getting off . Whats the real concern there . Reporter yeah. So jason, thats a real good question and actually didnt get that deep. It was kind of Interesting Exchange that was happening between judge scott mcafee at the state of georgia as well as Defense Attorneys for Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell. It was kind of who is going to blink first . I got to give credit to Da Fani Willis team put the best of the best that she could in front of judge today to basically say, judge, were ready to go. Were prepared to do all 19 defendants at one time with more than 150 witnesses. It will take about four months, not including jury selection. But the concerns that judge mcafee raised were all valid ones and ran the gamut from logistical concerns. How do i practically fit 19 defendants in one courtroom, all of their counsel and go through the process of not only pretrial motions, having them set for hearing, litigating them, getting rulings and going through jury selection. Then went to the point of, you know, if theres not enough prejudice each of these defendants is facing that would merit the idea they had to be tried on their own, i do buy into this idea well do 19 defendants at one time . What happens to the defendants . Are they still there. Have they gone to Federal Court and come back. Theres a lot that judge mcafee clearly had contemplated before todays hearing. The fact he ruled immediately there the bench was a welcome thing. We always want to have a swift ruling from a judge, but we are waiting to hear the ultimate disposition which is, will it be one trial, 19 defendants or are we going to see two different trial settings. One on october 23rd for Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell and one way down the road for the other 17 defendants. I want to follow up on this. Would it be possible that there would be a trial where, you know, multiple defendants would be in se zooms and they would zoom in on the trial and they would have to lean out and speak to their Legal Counsel . Does the Legal Counsel have to be there . Just as a logistics matter, how could you try 17 people at once . Reporter well, they actually would all have to appear in person. The Fulton County courthouse is open and back to business. So there are no zoom trials that are being actually conducted behind me in the courthouse. So, you literally have everybody in one courtroom. What would happen is you would have each of the lawyers and i kind of want to set this up for people because theyre wondering exactly the machinations on this. Each lawyer, jason, has the chance to not only question potential jurors but also be able to crossexamine the governments witnesses. 150 of them. Can you imagine. Each of them had the chance to get up and do crossexamination. It literally would last way longer than four months. Judge mcafee told the state, be careful what you wish for. I know youre ready to go but theres a lot of stuff you need to brief. So i want you to do it by next week tuesday because you need to answer some of these questions before i set a trial. Greg, fani willis filed late today, put in some motions. Interesting things here i want to get your thoughts on. In the motion she said based on the Fulton County grand juries it is foreseeable they should be docked should their names be made available to the public. It would be undoubtedly be placed in jeopardy. Basically what were hearing from da willis, greg, is that there are cameras in the courtroom, but due efforts are made to keep these jurors anonymous and safe. Is that one of the Major Concerns that people are thinking of downtown . Is it one of those things where its like, okay, thats part of it. We still think will they have to be sequestered. What are the thoughts about this idea of how to keep jurors safe . Certainly, jason. Theres a century old case law in georgia that allows the public dissemination of the names of special grand juries and grand jurors. We saw the names of the grand jurors who successfully indicted President Trump and 18 were put on a russian hosted website, all over social media. They are being targeted by far right Conspiracy Theorist websites. Now that fani willis disclosed that she, too, has been targeted on this same russianhosted web server. She is using that as an example why she wants the judge to restrict the publization of the potential jurors when they get to that stage in this trial. Greg, we talked about this in the past about the need for security once this trial actually begins, in october. We dont know if separate or together trials. Is there any effort being made by Governor Kemp to make sure that jurors are safe . Are private security people, are State Security people, the gbi, who is making sure that these people are safe when they go home or might we see a situation where every juror in this case ends up being sequestered . Yeah, the Georgia State parol troll is one of the largest State Agencies in the state. So we certainly saw the last few weeks a heavy security presence from state patrol officers. I imagine well see the same coordination Going Forward especially as this trial gets under way under heavy security. But remember, too, Fulton County, the city of atlanta, they have enormous Law Enforcement agencies as well. So they have a number of officers at their disposal. David jolly, one of the things youre a lawyer. You understand these things. I watched enough legal shows to understand this, usually the corner boys, the small ended people, they will flip on the bigger guys, right . Theyre say, hey, i dont want to be involved one way or another. I have to ask you, do we think as we get closer to any of these trial dates that someone will flip . Theres got to be somebody at a lower level who is like, im not going to jail for this. Ill flip on trump. Do you think thats likely to happen or will it happen before october or after the trial begins . Yes. Statistically you are exactly right, jason. Somebody is likely to say, hey, i would like to cooperate. If fani willis is willing to at this point. It also requires her to suggest shes doing that. Theres a basic theory in criminal defense called prisoners dilemma. You have multiple defendants logically if they all stick together, perhaps they have a good chance of defending themselves. But if one of them acts in Self Interest and turns on the other, obviously that person can save their own freedom. So who flips first becomes a bit of the dilemma and the question. Yes, i would expect we see some of the lesser. But look, fani willis made very clear today that every one of these 19 defendants is a peer. Donald trump, yes, absolutely stands out among all of them. But he stands charged with the same statute that Sidney Powell does and chesebro and eastman and mark meadows and all of them now stand in equal stead. I think whats fascinating is if indeed we see two trials, like katie said, the judge today denied severance saying were not going to Sever Chesebro and powell. It appears he might be willing to consider the class of defendants who want a speedy trial, chesebro and powell together, Maybe Eastman and the remaining ones down the road. That sets up where we might have a verdict, a conviction or an acquittal in that first case before the primary in the Republican Party for the president ial nomination and before Donald Trumps determination. And so does that change a political dynamic or narrative . Perhaps. We just dont know. David, i want to go back to this. Because i thought it was interesting you have chesebro and powell saying, hey, we want to be tried separately. We have different cases. One of the arguments that you hear sort of being floated already by some of these Defense Teams is like, hey, i never went to that county. I never had a conversation with this person. How can i be involved with this. To my ears, hey, look, i never met darth vader. You worked at the death star. Youre still kind of responsible for this. How strong is that argument . How strong is the argument that i cant be part of a conspiracy if i didnt know the other conspirators on a regular basis . Does that carry in weight in court. It was strong until the court ruled today. That was essentially the argument of chesebro and powell. Never met the person. Chesebro said i was doing legal briefs in an intellectual way and powell was tampering with Voting Machines in coffee county. Clearly separate acts. However, they were charged under rico. What rico says is they were part of a common enterprise advancing a common scheme. They didnt have to do what the other one was doing nor did they have to coordinate if they were all supporting this enterprise. Though today was somewhat of a procedural ruling on saying we are not going to sever, it showed a lot of the judges approach to this. That approach is a willingness to access and give credence to the rico charge that allows the prosecutors to say, all 19 of these are in the same boat whether they met each other or not. Katie, i want to flip to a National Issue really quick. We just heard trump in the jean carol case, this is key, trump is liable for the defamation in the second e. Jean carroll case. Basically whats going to happen now is rather than having to go through heavier trials were going to hear about sentencing and fines. What do you think the significance of this case . I thought the e. Jean carroll case is not just another example of sort of trumps moral depravity but also one of the cases that we might get the quickest answer on that. Whats the significance of this most recent ruling . Reporter yeah. As we know e. Jean carroll went to a jury trial in may of 2023. Got a verdict that basically said donald trump is a sexual abuser. And he is liable for defamation. A jury awarded her 5 million in damages. Donald trump has taken that verdict up on appeal. If you will recall, jason, back in 2019 when donald trump was still the president of the united states, he defamed e. Jean carroll by claiming that he didnt know her and he denied sexually assaulting her. That is the crux of this particular case that a federal judge in new york has said, you know what, based upon what the jury found in that trial that just happened a few months ago, as a matter of law, e. Jean carroll does not have to carry her burden again to prove to a jury that donald trump defamed her. So were just going to fast track it now straight to the damages part of this case. Were going to go to a trial in january. E. Jean will put on a case as to how much she has been damaged. And a jury can award her, to its discretion, 0 to whatever amount of money that it wants. Now, remember, also, theres punitive damages that are at play here. There was punitives awarded to e. Jean a few months ago. Whats also important is that donald trump was trying to say, you know, e. Jean carroll, she got some money. So whatever she gets in january from me its got to be a setoff from what the award ends up being. The judge said no dice. Theres nothing that prohibits from e. Jean carroll from being able to get more money. The biggest consequence of this ruling is the following, it goes to show that donald trump is a proven liar. When you have this many criminal cases pending, and your credibility as a criminal defendant may come into play, either because other defendants say you have done something or you yourself are crazy enough to take the stand which donald trump says hes willing to do, if you already have findings that hes a liar, may not be admissible in your criminal trial, trust me in the court of public opinion, potential juror pool they know hes a liar. We see the record, trump. You aint got to lie. Thank you, guys, for starting us up on the reidout. 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This was the this was first reported by abc news which obtained the transcript of a series of voice memos cork ran recorded on his own phone, including one where he reportedly says that minutes after that meeting with trump another lawyer warned him that, quote, trump would go ballistic if corker ran pushed him to comply to the subpoena and he was going to deny there were any more boxes at all. Which Spoiler Alert is basically what ended up happening. Nbc news has not seen these transcripts or heard the audio. Joining me now to discuss is paul butler, msnbc legal analyst. Paul, ill start with this. I think its very interesting that you have a news outlet that got access to notes that a lawyer took about his client. Its not necessarily violation of Attorney Client privilege. But where does this fall into the sort of legal haze . Because i dont know if thats a violation. I dont know if thats something that could be used in other sorts of indictments. Where does this play . So, we know that jack smith was able to get this testimony from Evan Corcoran. He was trumps lawyer. Typically the Attorney Client privilege would protect all of their communications, but a federal judge ruled that donald trump tried to use corcoran his own lawyer to further a criminal scheme. For that reason the judge allowed the privilege between the attorney and the client to be breached. And thus jack smith has access to this gold mine of evidence. Jason, this is not a typical days when the prosecutor has very incriminating evidence from the defendants own defense lawyer. Its not only incriminating, its especially credible. Yeah. I mean, this is different than sort of, you know, you catch a Cheating Spouse Hand me your phone. This is a guys lawyer. Hes obviously taking contemporaneous notes of the things that he has. You know, how unprecedented is this . Ive not heard of Something Like this where the Defense Attorney is basically like, yeah, take my phone because this guy tried to get me involved in a criminal conspiracy. Especially when you think about the evidence that that phone contained. Extraordinarily incriminating remarks from trump. He said at one point i dont want anybody looking through my boxes. And he specifically said to his lawyer, i dont want you looking through the boxes. He said, what happens if we just say that we dont have any documents . Jason, thats not a smoking gun. Thats almost a confession. Again, this is vital to the governments case for both the Espionage Charge and the Obstruction Charge related to the classified documents. They have to prove criminal intent. Trumps willful State Of Mind that he knew that he was breaking the law. All of this evidence corroborates that. So, help me out here because what is the line at which a lawyer would potentially do Something Like this because, hey, youre talking to our client. Lets say its a criminal trial. I could be talking to my client. If we could just make the cops disappear, Something Like that. People say things Attorney Client. How far does it have to go for the attorney to say, hey, i cant have this conversation anymore or anything you have to say at this point, i have to turn over. Whats that line generalfully a legal case. When corcoran was taking these contemporaneous notes. One, he was being a good Defense Attorney. He was going to have a lot of meetings with trump. Trump famously says Different Things depending on the time of day it is. So he just wanted a record. The other thing for any trump lawyer, cy butt. Cover your butt because he knows what kind of client this is. For example, corcoran told trump. I dont care what you say. If i attest to the court that ive looked for the documents, im going to look in that storage room which is where trump told him all of the documents were. We now know within that time trump directed two of his employees to move that stuff out of the storage room, which is why the indictment charges that trump knowing and intentionally lied not only to the fbi, but to his own lawyer Evan Corcoran. Check this out. If it couldnt get any more wild, corcoran is likely to be a witness in the prosecution for the maralago case, hes still defending trump in the january 6th prosecution. Yeah. This is interesting. I cant imagine a more ridiculous example of the worst client for anybody to have one way or another. And i have to ask you, i always think this is important from a legal standpoint, you know, just put yourself in a lawyers brain. I get theres money involved. But why would anyone trump is going to get other lawyers. He burns through lawyers all the time. Why does anyone want to work with a guy who seems like he will get you in trouble. Everybody who is accused has the right to an excellent defense lawyer. Its good news that finally trump has some lawyers who know what theyre doing. Defense attorneys, they like risk. They like problematic clients. But they dont like clients who act against their own interest. So i think the biggest problem that trumps defense team will have with him is his constantly going on tv and blabbing which is not only a violation of the orders of the judges in the four cases which hes prosecuted. Its just not in his best interest. So you have a client whos trying to go to jail, it looks like. Like hes committed to screwing up his own case. Speaking of a case where no one screwed up. I think justice was done. We got former proud boys leader Enrique Tarrio got 22 years for his part in fact january 6th insurrection. Now look, this is not something that saddens most americans who are concerned about democracy. Enrique tarrio had a long history of working with the proud boys. Theyre dangerous. He got a longer sentence than almost anybody else. What do you think is is that now setting a precedent, right . If he gets 22 years, does that mean as these cases go further up the ladder, because hes just a foot soldier. He is a pawn. Does this mean that if a member of congress or higher level people that theyre likely to get at least 22 years . Or is this something that you think was just specific to him sort of proud boys organization. So not legally significant in the sense that when a judge sentences someone she is not created any legal precedent. Thats not binding the judge in other sentences. But judges do like whats called proportionality. They like to treat similar cases alike. When someone is more culpable they want that person to be punished more. By the end of this year, 2,000 people will have been prosecuted in relation to january 6th. The vast majority, the foot soldiers, the socalled maga tourists showed up at the capitol, cant say just, because what they did was extraordinary. But moving up the chain. So, Enrique Tarrio, maybe not line a line soldier, maybe more like an officer, but not a general. The generals we know are people like giuliani, john eastman, Sidney Powell and donald trump. And certainly a judge will have to think in sentencing any of those people can i really give the people who organized finance and let this insurrection less time than i give the people who just carried out their criminal will. Paul butler, i love talking to you because i always feel smarter. Thank you so much for joining us tonight on the reidout. Coming up, an alarming criminal case out of georgia. Some are calling it antidemocratic, that includes me. 61 activists have been indicted on rico charges . 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Georgia attorney general chris carr is attempting to copy and paste same rico law used to charge donald trump to punish protesters battling police militarization. On tuesday, 61 people were indicted on racketeering charges over protests against construction of a Massive PublicSafety Training center opponents call cop city. Atlanta journal constitution confirmed the same grand jury that indicted trump and his allies on rico charges was also involved in this case. The protesters in a majority of local residents oppose the 85 Acre Facility in a Forest Outside Atlanta in neighboring dekalb county. Among their concerns, the facility will cost 90 million. It will massive environmental impact. And the potential for overpolicing in metro atlanta. Some of the people indicted yesterday already faced charges related to the protests. Including three activists charged with Money Laundering for running a bail fund. Three charged with Felony Intimidation for distributing flyers with the names of Police Officers allegedly involved in the killing of a protester. And more than three dozen people facing domestic terrorism charges including an attorney who is acting as a legal observer. Joining me now to discuss is christopher bruce, Policy Director for the Aclu Of Georgia and jack crosby, correspondent for rolling stone. Jack, ill start with you. This is amazing to me in all the worst possible ways. Tell us a little bit about what is going on here. Is this just intimidation . Or does this attorney really think theyre going to be able to successfully get a bunch of protesters thrown in jail for racketeering . I mean, in certain cases he already has. You know, this attorney general and the Georgia Bureau of investigations have been arresting protesters throughout this movement. And putting them in jail for long periods of time in atlantas metropolitan detention facility, which is known as one of the worst sort of temporary prisons in the world. And it doesnt really matter to him, i think, whether or not all of these charges stick. What charges stick. Because this is the strategy that they said. If youre connected to this movement whatsoever and youre arrested for basically any crime that could even conceivably be linked to thinking about this movement, youre going to be slapped with some of the most brutal, legal accusations that the state can level against you. Christopher, i want to sort of move back a bit from not just sort of rico charges against protesters, but lets talk about this whole Cop City Situation to begin with. What you have is this is a 90 million Police Training facility. Even though the metro police have another Training Facility in macon an hour or two away. The nonprofit Atlanta Foundation is working to raise millions of dollars. The Foundation Board is filled with executives like delta, waffle house, the home depot, wells fargo and u. P. S. Among others. It reads like a whos who of corporate atlanta. Were talking about land owned by city of atlanta but being leased to this private foundation. How does this private foundation have access to this sort of Government Resources and is this Atlanta Police foundation putting pressure on Government Apparatus to go after protesters . Jason, first, thanks for having me. Thank you for bringing that up because a lot of these corporations are Funding Millions of dollars to build a facility instead of investing into the communities which we know is what really leads to Public Safety increasing in the state. So, yes, not only are these corporations doing this, a lot of these people who run these corporations, either do not live in the city of atlanta or dont even live in the state of georgia at all. So, what youre talking about is the Atlanta Police foundation putting pressure on corporations could be the other way around. It could be the corporations putting pressure on the Atlanta Police foundation to increase this. Like you said before, there are other jurisdictions where this is happening. The Atlanta Police department can train. They have been training. Theyve been training in other places everywhere else. Do they need an 84 Acre Facility to do this known as cop city . No, they dont. And i believe theres over 100,000 people who have signed signatures to mark that. Thats what the city of atlanta is going to have to deal with in a referendum coming soon. Jack, i want to talk about this referendum. This is whats interesting. A lot of times if you have local politicians, right, and theres something they want to push through, but they try to wiggle out of any responsibility, oh, well have a referendum but have the worst wording possible, say like do you not not want me to sort of kind of make this thing happen in a way to sort of get the policies through. But what were seeing right now is that Voting Rights activist, according to mother jones, are condemning the fact that the cop city referendum, the state is going to use Signature Checks and go line by line through these referendums in order to basically invalidate people who might stand against this voting center. First offer, talk a little bit about what this Signature Check might look like and, second, why would anyone want to put together a referendum and then make sure the referendum isnt reflective of the people . Right. And this is sort of one step in whats been a pretty classic campaign by atlanta city officials and the people who support the Cop City Project to kind of slow down and keep public input out of this process entirely. This goes back to the very beginning, first proposals for cop city and the first time that this actually came before the City Council Vote in which there were 17 hours of Public Comment which, you know, activists combed through and found that vast majority of was against cop city. That vote still went through the city council. Its passed every single time. As far as these signatures being collected goes, this has also been waylayed at every possible opportunity. A federal judge had to rule last month that people who were not residents of the city of atlanta could still do some of the signature collecting duties. You obviously have activists who care about this case coming from all over georgia and across the country pound the pavement for this and collect signature. The signatures must be from atlanta City Residents themselves because its their tax dollars that may be going to fund this center. There shouldnt be something that says every activist has to prove they have an atlanta address to sign these signature. The Verification Process is sort of just another step in this. Right. Despite, you know, over 100,000 signatures collected theyll try to throw out as many as they can. Quick question for you, bruce. Were running up against a break. Is the major going to lose his job against this . He seems to be in agreement with this foundation to slide this thing through despite sort of the public disenchantment with it . What could be the political consequences in the next mayors race . That is the question thats going into this. Mayor dickens actually disagree about this. Im against cop city. But i will respect that he is the mayor of atlanta. He was elected for that. Compared to an attorney general like chris carr who is not only mentioned the 61 indictments but in that indictment, he mentions that the conspiracy happened during the George Floyds murder that happened 11 months before cop city was proposed in the first place. So, not only will there be ramifications in the city of atlanta, we can also look at the attorney general is looking at running for governor and is using this as a political ploy. Right. We were definitely coming back to this story. Thank you so much for joining us tonight on the reidout. Up next, Wisconsin Republicans seek to impeach a duly elected liberal justice on the state Supreme Court because they dont like her politics. The Democratic Party chair is calling it legislative coup. He joins me next on the reidout. Ns me next on the reidout. I was told my Small Business wouldnt qualify for an erc tax refund. You should get a Second Opinion from Innovation Refunds at no upfront cost. Sometimes you need a Second Opinion. 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She took the bench in august with a series of important cases set to make their way to the court including the states offensively gerrymandering maps, voting access almost immediately after her victory, republicans began floating the idea of impeaching protasiewicz, Nullifying The Will of the voters. Today they gathered to discuss their options for impeaching her if she does not recuse herself from redistricting cases. They claim she cant be impartial because during her campaign she said that the current congressional maps are rigged to benefit one party, which is true. Here is the thing, those statements do not meet the standard for impeachment or recusal. How do we know . Well, right wing wisconsin Supreme CourtJustice Rebecca bradley once compared abortion to slavery and the holocaust. We talked about that on this show. Nobody impeached her for that. Just yesterday state judiciary Disciplinary Panel rejected complaints about the comments from protasiewicz. But that doesnt really matter because republicans had their own unprecedented plan to impeach and block democratic governor from replacing her. How . They could vote to impeach the justice but not convict. Little Schoolhouse Rock here. If impeached, she would have to immediately stop performing her duties as a judge effectively sidelining her without replacing her. Leaving a deadlocked Supreme Court. And guess what, theyve got the votes to do that because of a gerrymandering supermajority. See how these things connect . The threat of impeachment is being used by republicans all across the country. They want to remove fani willis and anita earls the states only female black Supreme Court jus it is for speaking out about racial bias in the court. Joining me now, ben wick ler, the chair of the Democratic Party of wisconsin he calls these taxes a legislative coup. Hes not wrong. He joins me now. Ben, thank you so much for this. Look, this is insane. Like i said, i had to go Schoolhouse Rock because a lot of intimate details to this. But im going to start with today. There was a meeting of republicans at the state house today. Do you have any word as to what their conclusion was from this meeting . Now that theyre taking national heat, jason, thanks so much for covering this. This is a real constitutional crisis moment. As far as i can tell, there is no state anywhere where a sitting Supreme Court justice has been impeached on purely political grounds because the legislature didnt like what they thought that justice was going to do. So this could open pandoras box. We know republicans right now are trying to not say anything publicly, but we are also getting the vibes that a lot of republicans can feel in the pit of their stomach, that this is a bad idea. I am talking about secondhand conversations that are happening across the state. When you call your state legislator, if you are wisconsinites, youve got to make absolutely clear that youre against this. We might see republicans start to break ranks because they know that this is wrong. Even if you are the furthest right wing or the farthest left or anywhere in between, if you just impeach people when you disagree with their politics, our whole Constitutional Order can fall apart in a flash. That is why we are asking everyone to go to defend justice. Com, asking every wisconsinites to contact your legislators and come out publicly with their position, not behind closed doors. We need to shut this Impeachment Threat down and avert a constitutional catastrophe. At the State Assembly you got 99 members. It only takes a simple majority to impeach someone. The republicans have a supermajority, 64 members. They could lose up to 12 assembly people. But there are 12 assembly republicans, and Six Senate Republicans whose District Voted for Janet Protasiewicz this spring. I use specifically targeting those six . I you saying, are those 12 and saying hey guys, it is gonna blow up in your faces soon, or is it sort of a general conversation that youre doing throughout the state on this is sort of a violation of the public will . Right now, is a type to you, there are volunteers knocking on doors talking to voters who voted, we think, for Janet Protasiewicz this spring, to tell them your state senator, your State Representative is considering nullifying your vote, closing out the election because they didnt like the results and asking voters to contact the legislators. This is a political disaster for republicans. Its going to backfire if they move forward with it. It will make the 2022 midterms in wisconsins, we are where republicans lost the governors race, look like childs play. Republicans are Playing With Fire in a dynamite factory. They think that they this might be, i guess, their own way to lock in gerrymandered max maps that give them total control. Even though its referred immigrants and statewide elections, any republicans to back off and i think everyone across the political spectrum will celebrate if they do. We are talking to republicans whose districts went for janet, but we also, bear in mind, there are Janet Protasiewicz voters in every district. Many people who had never voted before voted in the Supreme Court election this spring. Republicans will lose them for life if they dont back off this immediately. Ben, we have a minute left, but i have to ask you this. The Democratic Party of wisconsin has been a model. You guys have gone at it. You have been raising money, you have been organizing on the ground. You are winning the stay dry statewide races. What advice would you give to other democratic parties in places like North Carolina and ohio who always seem to be playing catch up with these local issues . How have you been able to galvanize your voters in ways that state democratic parties in other places places havent managed to do yet . They had new chairs in each of those states and theyre doing the thing that i would advise anyone to do, which is to build a yearround grassroots organization, not wait until the fall of the even numbered election year. Right now the people knocking on doors and their own neighborhoods across wisconsin, in republican districts, and they are people who have done that in the Supreme Court elections, two in the midterms, in 2020, and will do it again in 2024, with a yearround presence. That makes all the difference. Thats whats gonna help, sharon brown will help us share in 2024. Thank you, Wisconsin Democratic chair ben wake learn, for what youre doing, its a model for the rest of the. 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