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Surrounded by a group of crackpot lawyers that kept telling him what his itching ears wanted to hear. Ultimately, continued to demand that i choose him over the constitution. Good morning. Thank you for being with us, its 10 00 eastern in our nations capital. Im ana cabrera along with jose diazbalart for this special coverage of the third arraignment of donald trump. Here in washington, d. C. , a growing sense of anticipation ahead of the former president s appearance at 4 00 p. M. Eastern. Lines started building outside the courthouse overnight. Take a look at these pictures. The morning, however, the intense security continues. Barricades outside the court. Officers with long guns on the grounds. We expect the former president to travel here from bedminster, new jersey, in just a few hours. We know hell be fingerprinted and go before the judge. Garrett haake is outside that d. C. Courthouse. Dasha burns is in new jersey where trump is currently staying and also with us is legal analyst Dave Aronberg, and here with us in d. C. Is shan wu, a former federal prosecutor. Garrett, whats happening on the ground . Walk us through what we can expect at 4 00 p. M. Eastern today when trump is arraigned. Reporter we will see much of the former president s journey to and from d. C. Hes traveling with reporters and the campaign has learned its pretty good for their Online Fundraising when people are watching whats going on with his arraignments. Theres nearly 4 million in the first one. Well see quite a bit of the process surrounding his arrival and departure to the courthouse. Once hes inside, well be privy to frustratingly little in this courthouse. Cameras are not allowed inside federal court. We expect the former president to be processed before his arraignment. Hell be fingerprinted but no mugshot taken, the same procedure followed in miami, and then hell appear for this arraignment hearing, which should be short. Hes liable to give his not guilty plea. Its not clear whether the defense team will make any other motions or the Prosecution Team could make any motions. If they dont, it could be a fairly short process. We expect well hear from the president. Hes made his legal problems such a key part of his political apparatus, coming in and out for a quick courthouse appearance today seems likely unlikely. Hes expected to travel this afternoon to d. C. What do we know about trumps mind set and his inner circle ahead of todays Court Appearance . Reporter the picture that sources have painted for nbc news of trump and his inner circle here at bedminster over the last couple days is largely one of nonchalance, of a new reality for trump, this now being his third indictment. Attitude of a mix of resignation and defiance, in the hours leading up to the indictment, he was aware of it. Sources say that he was expecting it. So this was not a shock. This was something that he sort of scooped the Justice Department on, scooped the news cycle on, even. Going out in front of the news on his own social media platform. And in the hours leading up to it, he was golfing. He chatting with folks with the golf course. Nbc news confirming from sources even meeting a dinner with fox News Executives who according to the New York Times were lobbying him to come to the debate. So this has a different flavor, according to his allies, from some of the last indictments. And one ally even saying that three indictments, four indictments, is better than just one for trump because as more of these legal problems come down the pike, the details get lost in the greater number. And people just focus more so on that word, weaponization, that we have been hearing not only from trump but also from his rivals like ron desantis on the campaign trail. So hes able to more so easily rally that base against this bigger system thats out to get him, thats out to get his allies and his supporters, guys. All right, well let you continue to work on your sourcing and gathering more information. Stay close and come back as you have new reporting. Dave, the former president , hes been on truth social nonstop in the past few days. This morning, hes calling for A Change Of Venue in the case, suggesting, these are his words, perhaps the, quote, politically unbiased state, West Virginia. So clearly, hes implying he cant get a fair trial in d. C. Whats the legal threshold for A Change Of Venue request . Yeah, hes got to show he cant get a fair trial in washington, d. C. Or that the judge is biased against him. But just because the judge ruled against him previously doesnt mean that shes going to be removed from the case. Quite the opposite. Shes a well respected judge and theres no reason to move this out of washington, d. C. Theres no question to West Virginia other than it would give donald trump in his mind some home field advantage. He won West Virginia in the last election by 40 points. In washington, d. C. , he got only 5 of the vote. You can see why he wants this thing moved. Republicans think the washington, d. C. Jury pool are a bunch of communist, Godless Antifa members. So thats their perception. The reality is far different. January 6th defendants have done poorly in washington, d. C. Thats the reality and donald trump knows that. Do you feel confident he can get a good jury pool there that would be fair and wouldnt offer the opportunity to appeal on those grounds . Its not whether people have knowledge about the case or whether they have got their own opinions. Its whether they can set them aside and be unbiased. I have had highprofile cases in our jurisdiction in Palm Beach County and we could always find a jury just like theyll be able to find a jury in the red counties where the Documents Trial is going to be held down here in south florida. Its not whether you know things about the case or whether you have your predilections. Its whether you can set them aside and say youre going to follow the evidence and the law. I know they can get a jury in d. C. That will do just that. Let me play for you something that trumps former Attorney General said. Lets listen to this. Do you think he knew he lost the election . Do i personally believe that . At first, i wasnt sure, but i have come to believe that he knew well that he had lost the election. Now, that leads me to believe that they were only seeing the tip of the iceberg on this. You think jack smith has more . Oh, yes. I would believe he has a lot more. I think theres a lot more to come, and i think they have a lot more evidence as to President Trumps State Of Mind. Clearly, barr works very closely with the former president in his time with the administration. Whats your reaction to that . I think that its actually not that they have to prove what he truly believed, although evidence he was told that he lost and any reasonable person would believe is very helpful. What they really need to prove is what he did. Its so interesting and important that paragraph one of the indictment says the defendant lost the election. Because thats the factual predicate. He lost, and what did he do illegally to overturn that loss . So theyre really going to focus on his actions. They need a State Of Mind that he deliberately did that action. The whole debate of did he really believe it or not, thats some of trumps defense, trying to argue that he had din something correct versus illegal. What is the threshold of proving that . The threshold is based on the totality of the circumstances, theyll need to convince the jury that he had the intent to do these conspiratorial actions. That wasnt by accident. Hes going to try to blur that with the advice of counsel type of defense. But for trumps defense, they would like to move the debate to, what did he really believe . Theres a lot of political appeal, obviously. For him, his political appeal and his Legal Defense are unusually totally intertwined at the moment. But they dont really have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he truly believed he lost or didnt. Its enough to show any reasonable person hearing this would have thought they lost, but the key is, he did lose. And these are illegal actions. Hes not just challenging in court or just making speeches. Hes actively doing things that are illegal to overturn the election. Interesting because another Trump Attorney, former Trump Attorney who represented him during one of his impeachments, ty cobb, addressed this State Of Mind issue and he straight said, trump is toast. Do you agree with that . Thats a quote, he is toast. Imagine your former attorney saying that. I think from these circumstances, its not easy to believe he didnt know that he had lost. So in that sense, i would agree with ty. But again, i think its critical for prosecutors not to get kind of lost in the weeds on being too focused on showing what trump believed. Very important to show he was told these things because all those people really serve as prosecution witnesses. Because they are giving foundation to the fact he did lose the election and that these things he was doing were not the legal remedies for challenging the election. And dave, your thoughts on that . If there is an argument, a legal argument, from trump world that the expresident really believed that the election was stolen, would you expect him to take the stand come trial . Thats the trick, jose, that jack smith has trump in. If trump wants to put forward a First Amendment defense or reliance of counsel defense, hes going to have to take the stand. You know, thats opens up a whole new set of problems for trump where he could face Perjury Charges or just face a withering crossexamination that will go poorly for him. Trust me, his lawyers dont want him to take the stand. And what shan said, i agree with him. Prosecutors shouldnt get too caught up in showing donald trump really knew the election was legit. Theres a process. You go to the courts, you request recounts and audits. He did those things. After he lost in courts in the audits, in the recounts, he then assembled a mob. He worked on this fake electors scheme, according to the indictment, and he tried to pressure local government and doj officials to stop the counting of the votes. All that stuff is illegal, regardless of trumps State Of Mind. All right, Dave Aronberg and shan wu, always great to have your great legal mind with us to make sense of whats happening and where this case could go. Appreciate it. Were back in just 60 seconds. When we come back, reaction to this historic indictment from two lawmakers who were in the House Chambers as rioters stormed the capitol on january 6th. Plus, well talk with a former January 6th Committee official. How this indictment expands on the groundwork they did. And later, after three indictments, should we expect gop voters or any of trumps supporters to change their mind about the former president . Youre watching live special coverage of Donald Trumps third arraignment live from our nations capital. Back in a minute. 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It took severe injuries, several of whom later took their lives because of that trauma. The officer brian sicknick, woo was murdered by that mob, terrible, brutal day. Thats really what this is about. When we talk about the politics of this, we talk about the legal procedure, lets not forget the extreme violence that occurred because donald trump incited that mob. Lets not forget that justice must be served for those victims, and justice must be served for the american people. The voters who tried to have that election stolen tromthem, deserve justice here too. Congressman kildee, i spoke with one of actually a couple of the Police Officers who were there that day who testified before the january 6th house committee, including officer michael fanone, now a former d. C. Metro police officer. He suffered severe injuries on that day, concussion and also a heart attack. It has impacted his life forever. Im sure its impacted your life forever. He said experience, his experience with learning of this indictment was like taking a load off, that to him, it reenforced the old adage, no one is above the law, and provided some proof that the system isnt totally broken. How did it feel to you to learn of this indictment . Well, its one more measure of justice. First of all, thank you, jose and ana, for having me on. Always good to see my friend jason. We were together in the gallery and left behind on that terrible day. Ill be always grateful to jason for the help he provided me during and after that moment. Look, this was traumatic for the country. It was traumatic for many of us individually. So justice comes in many different forms. Holding all of those people who were involved in january 6th responsible literally seeing hundreds of people who came to the capitol with the intent to do great harm to all of us, seeing them now being convicted on a regular basis for their part of this, is one measure of that justice. But its impossible to imagine not holding the principal architects of that day responsible for their role. Having said that, President Trump, like every american, should expect two things. One, he should expect the Presumption Of Innocence until Proven Guilty or innocent. But he should also expect that the laws of the United States apply to him just like they apply to anybody else, including those people that he incited to attack the capitol, many of whom are sitting in a jail cell today. Congressman crow, i know youre a former army ranger. You took a picture as you were supporting your colleagues and the congressman was talking about your help on that day. Im just wondering, what is it that you feel, and its not about the legal and not about that, just, you know, you have seen and done and gone through so much. That specific day, so traumatic for so many. What do you feel . You know, everyone talks about the comparison between combat, im a combat veteran, and that day. There really wasnt a comparison. When i went to war, i expected that. Thats what i signed on to do. I never in a million years expected to be in a situation where we might have to fight for our lives on the floor of the house in the United States capitol as a congressman in the year 2021. Never had i wrapped my brain around that situation. What happened when we realized we were trapped, that that mob surrounded us and were trying to get to us. We all called our families, made those calls no one wants to make. The minute i hung the phone up, i immediately got back into ranger mode and started to think about what did we need to do to get out of there. Running through that checklist of items, were the doors locked . What were the escape routes . Were there weapons available . Running down that checklist. I also remember telling my colleagues, lets take our pins off. The pin im wearing here, because thats what identifies us as members of congress. If they had broken through the door, we didnt want to be easily identifiable. The last thing i thought about was a lot of those rioters on the other side of the door, a lot of them were my fellow veterans. There were a large number of veterans. I have asked myself, how did we get to this point as a country where you have Brothers And Sisters in arms who served faithfully together, who both raised their right hand and took the oath, in good faith, and served our country. Then you fast forward a couple years later and were so divided that one group is trying to kill the other. This is undoubtedly about donald trump but about something larger in our country that we need to address and stop. On that note, do you feel like the country is any less vulnerable to a january 6th happening again . You see more than 1,000 people face charges, we now see a former president indicted for actions and fomenting that violence or taking that violence and using it to his advantage in some way. And yet, hes fundraising off it, his support is growing when you look at the 2024 field. So does it have any kind of Deterrent Effect . I think thats a story thats not written yet. Thats why its so important that the Legal Process plays out the way that Legal Processes should play out in the United States of america. Unless theres accountability, we cannot repair this, we cannot stop it from happening again. That is essential right now. This process has to play out. There has to be accountability. Does a conviction have to happen for there to be accountability . Thats what the evidence needs to show. In the United States, we dont start this process with a predetermined outcome. Thats not how the Legal Process starts. We start the process, we apply the facts and evidence to the law. Thats what will happen. Thats what needs to happen for us to repair and move forward and to prevent it from happening again. Were not immune. To answer your question, this can happen anywhere. The lesson of january 6th is that we are not immune to any of this. That were vulnerable to extremism, that our democracy is only as strong as the willingness of americans and individuals to stand up and to fight for it. Congressman kildee, thinking about what the congressman was saying, yesterday right on the hill, there was buzz with a new threat of potential active shooter near the Senate Office buildings, u. S. Capitol police didnt find any confirmation of a shooter. I kind of want to have your thoughts on what Congressman Crow was talking about, how is it that we have gotten to this point . How is it that people with just different Points Of View decide that those different Points Of View are worth actually killing each other for . How do we get to this . I know you have spoken about your own struggles with ptsd after the riot here. How much of a trigger was this alert for you . Well, when that alert came across my phone yesterday, im sure jason had the same reaction. It was like, oh, no. It was very much a case of taking it right back to that day that jason and i experienced together. But i do have to its traumatic and trirging for sure. I do have to comment on one thing. The notion that we have come to this place, as you said, how have we arrived at this place . We have to all look at our role in that. The thing that is most bothersome to me in this moment is that while the framers of the constitution Imagined A Rogue president at some point in time, i mean, look at the safeguards they included in the constitution to protect against a president drunk with power, what they did not imagine, i dont believe, is that the majority of one particular Political Party knowing the falsehoods that that individual is acting upon, knowing all of the nefarious behavior he has engaged in, still continue to explain it away as if its some sort of exercise in free speech. I dont think the framers imagined that. I dont think they imagined that Kevin Mccarthy Making Excuses for the behavior that in the moment that jason and i experienced, in the hour or two afterward, expressed a moment of truth when he held President Trump responsible, as Mitch Mcconnell did. So we have a bigger challenge than just dealing with the terrible behavior of a single individual. We have a whole permission structure, and the name of political advantage that one Political Party is engaging in. That is really dangerous. Congressman dan kildee, congressman jason crow, thank you for taking time for us today. Up next, we know who some of the Unindicted Coconspirators listed in the indictment likely are, rudy giuliani, Sidney Powell, could they Face Criminal Charges as well . Youre watching special coverage of the president s third arraignment. T. But as you get older, it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. 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Rudy giuliani and Sidney Powell obviously were in various courthouses around the country pressing what we now know were bogus claims of fraud. Theyre both subject to legal discipline as a result. Giulianis legal license to practice law has been suspended in d. C. And new york. John eastman and cheesebro were the head of the plan to put forward Fosfalse Electors and Jeffrey Clark was a lower level official at the Justice Department who proposed to send out a letter to various states saying the doj had found fraud in the election. That would have been an incredibly destabilizing act. Senior appointees blocked it, but hes unnamed as an unindicted coconspirator. Experts believe these five people and maybe the six are absolutely liable to be criminally charged. Its rare to see a conspiracy brought against one defendant, and theres an incredible amount of detail about the actions of these six coconspirators in the indictment, but theyre unnamed as of now. Ken, if they were to be charged, any timeline on when that could happen . Reporter well, i have been talking to legal experts about that. Its really interesting. A lot of people believe the Special Counsel made a strategic decision to not charge these people, to only charge donald trump in order to get this case to trial as quickly as possible. He could indict these other people tomorrow, but theres every chance if he did that, a judge would combine their cases into the trump case, and that would mean this thing would take a lot longer, there would be a huge number of lawyers, more motions and litigation. A lot of people believe if they are to be charged, if they dont cut deals to cooperate, it would be much farther down the line, closer to when this donald trump case is getting to trial or after trial. Those z some of the strategic considerations the Special Counsel is undertaking. I want to bring in tim mulvey. On this issue of coconspirators who are currently not charged, unindicted, but are referenced throughout the indictment right now, trump is facing charges alone. How important is it when it comes to accountability for others to also face charges . I dont want to put myself in the shoes of the prosecutors and investigators at the Justice Department, but one thing chairman thompson used to say in the select committees work is there needs to be top to bottom accountability. Accountability under the law that we see the wheels of justice moving forward. But there needs to be accountability for everybody involved in the scheme. So you know, it is very important that there be accountability under the law, but if you go back and look at the select committees work, read the report, watch the hearings, these are familiar characters but there are a lot more familiar characters as well who are beyond this handful of Unindicted Coconspirators, lawmakers, officials at the state and local level who were part of this scheme. Its important while this indictment is moving forward to look at the work the select committee did, we have seen a universe of who was involved in the scheme. The January 6th Committee obviously didnt have as much access to people or evidence as the Special Counsel has. Are there some things in the 45page indictment that surprised you or what are the things that more impressed you when you read that . There were certainly details in this indictment that was information beyond the reach of the select committee. Information about what Vice President pence was doing, some of the interactions he had with the president , the description of phone calls he had. What was so surprised about that . I dont know, i wouldnt say its surprising necessarily, but it indicates the Justice Department of course has a lot more tools than the select committee did. You read the indictment, it looks a lot like the select committees work with additional details. It makes me presume the Special Prosecutor has a lot more information thats not in the indictment thats going to be clear very soon. Things like the Vice President was taking contemporaneous notes while these conversations were going on and the repeated conversations the president had with the Vice President on this issue, it seems like he was in a way targeted consistently by the president , according to this indictment. Is that something that you all were not aware of . Well, we know that there was this multistep campaign, this Pressure Campaign that the Vice President was at the center of. That was very clear. But again, the Vice President didnt speak to the select committee. These Unindicted Coconspirators spoke to the committee, but they largely made assertions of privilege. Those granular details about how the scheme unfolded will be really interesting to see as this moves forward, exactly what that looked like. We got the sense certainly in the Broad Strokes of what the Pressure Campaign looked like, but not the level of detail we can expect to see going forward. Im curious to get your thoughts on one part of this indictment which comes down to trumps mind set. And we know that the Special Counsel had some conversations with will russell, personal aide to the former president , as well as in his personal life now post presidency. And they were asking him about his mind set on january 6th and leading up to january 6th. How much do you think that his mind set is going to play a role in this case moving forward . Im not a lawyer, so i dont want to get too far down the path of sounding like one. Based on the January 6th Committee was able to pull tin erms of the different evidentiary threads. When the committee reconvened after our series of summer hearings, that meeting was very much focused on President Trumps intent. And underscoring all of the information that the select committee had gathered that donald trump lost and he knew he lost. And that he pushed ahead with this scheme anyway. So i think thats certainly one of the key findings of the select committees work. I expect, again, thats something that well be hearing more about. Thank you so much for being with us. I really appreciate your time. Next, former Vice President mike pence featured prominently in the Special Counsels indictment. How donald trump is responding to his former righthand man. 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Pence speaking out more forcefully against trump lately. As the full scope of his cooperation with jack smiths probe comes into view, creating more challenges for him politically in terms of his campaign for the presidency. Joining us now, nbc News Senior National politics reporter Jonathan Allen and former Pennsylvania Republican congressman charlie dent. Gentlemen, thanks for being here. Congressman, one thing that is very striking about this indictment is the level of pressure trump put on pence, just the details that we have in here, how over and over and over again between christmas on the 25th, all the way through to january 6th, trump cent coming back at pence, trying to get him to essentially subvert the will of the people. When you read those details, page 33 for those who are following along at home, what do you think of it . What strikes you . Its astounding to me that donald trump would have the brass to say to his Vice President , you should not count and discard state certified electoral votes. I mean, this is crazy. I mean, everyone knew it was crazy at the time. And so the fact that trump has been charged over it should not come as a surprise to anyone. But yes, pence was under tremendous pressure. It wasnt only just mike pence. Trump was calling state elected officials in pennsylvania, in michigan, in georgia and trying to get these folks to come up with alternative slates of electors and somehow discard the state certified Election Results that he did not like. So i am not at all shocked by these criminal charges. And its, again, astounding to me that mike pence in some respects believes chargestient have been brought, but at the same time, pence is saying that what trump did was unconstitutional, a violation of his oath of office. You know whats so crazy . You talk about that, it seems so obvious that pence should be speaking out against trump. But he waited so long, and now we know what trump was doing behind the scenes, and yet, pence ultimately did the right thing. He fulfilled his constitutional duties. But he kind of left it hanging out there for people to wonder, like, whether he actually could have acted differently. He didnt come back more forcefully until i think thats why this is so surprising, until now we learn of these details . Yes, if im a Candidate Running against donald trump in a republican primary, i would be bludgeoning donald trump right now with this indictment. As well as the others. All these candidates, they have a weapon that they can use against trump. But instead, too many of them, not saying mike pence, but too many of them are out there saying well, this is all part of the deep state. Its a witch hunt. Weaponization of the doj. Nonsense. Theyre basically running for second place. Why are they running . They want jack smith to do their dirty work for them. They want jack smith to take trump down so they dont have to. They think they can have clean hands in this, but this is politics. You have to get into the fray, otherwise, trump is going to be the nominee and theyre simply empowering this guy. Mike pence should find his voice and basically speak the truth, as he did leading up to january 6th. He needs to do that more if he has a chance. Jonathan, of the many things that these 45 pages show, theres the quote that stands out from the detail in the indictment when trump told pence after being rejected repeatedly, quote, youre too honest. It seems like being honest kind of would be a good thing, thats the way it should be, but it appears pence isnt really politically benefitting from that. Yeah, what donald trump admits there, you know, if its true, is that he believes that what hes doing isnt honest and what hes trying to get pence to do isnt honest. But mike pence has put staff forward for the January 6th Committee in congress. We now know that the federal investigators have pences contemporaneous notes from the details of the indictment, what pence is saying on the campaign trail, which is just a little stronger than what he was saying before. Still short of a full condemnation of donald trump. We look at all that together and say mike pence has decided which side of this hes going to be on. He decided a long time ago, and you know, sort of adjusting. But i think whats important about that, what we have learned about the republican primary electorate is the more that somebody criticizes donald trump over january 6th, the less likely they are to be a viable candidate at least in the short term. Congressman dent says that if he was in that race, he would be in there mixing it up with trump. The thing is maybe that would pay off long term, but certainly in the short term what we see is those who do that end up on the short side of the polling. Yeah, i mean, charlie, i want to play for you something a New Hampshire voter at an event for Asa Hutchinson who has been critical of President Trump, said about trumps legal troubles. I like what theyre doing, but i think that every time we see a new indictment, we see a new excitement with his supporters. Its kind of abominal. And that worries me very much. Its an incredible boom rang thought, charlie. These indictments could actually at the end of the day, evidence shows it, that among some in the Republican Party, it actually builds enthusiasm. Sure, among the most hard core elements in the maga base, they think these indictments are great. They think this is helping trump and theyre all in with this. But for those of us who actually came from competitive areas, these indictments are catastrophic to the Republican Party in these Swing Districts and competitive states. Independent voters, swing voters are completely turned off. What independent voter is going to say im going to vote for donald trump after hes been indicted for a third time. Theyre just not out there. There may be some short term bump in the primary contest, but in the general election, this is catastrophic. What part of losing dont these guys understand . 2018, 2020, 2022, underperformance. This has been a disaster, a train wreck, about to happen again if trump is nominated. It will be horrible for the country but a disaster for the Republican Party. I think everyone running, every serious republican elected official other than a few hard core wing nuts, they all understand how bad this is for their ability to win and maintain a majority in the house and to recapture the senate, if not the presidency. You would think this would be a real disaster for donald trump, if youre the one who is getting hit with indictment after indictment after indictment, you would think you would respond in a different way than what we have witnessed here in the last couple of weeks, jonathan. You have some new reporting, nbc has reporting about the impact of the new indictment, the anticipation of it, with trump and his people. And ultimately, trump was golfing the day it came out. Even after it was announced and made public, he had a dinner with his friends over at fox news, executives who were trying to convince him to come to the debates since they host the first debate in a few weeks, which we just learned in fact hes not planning to be there. There just seems to be an air of nonchalance this time around. That is projected from people near him, but let me be clear, donald trump doesnt want to spend the rest of his life in prison. And that is what donald trump is facing between this indictment and the one in Federal District court in florida. Well have to see what happens in georgia. The Manhattan One is less serious in terms of whats at stake for trump. This is not somebody who wants to be in that position, so yes, there is a shortterm high of getting a lot of encouragement from his friends, from his supporters, from that hard core maga base that the congressman was talking about, but make no mistake, donald trump doesnt want to end up in a cell. He certainly doesnt want to lose his second president ial election. Already thrice indicted, twice impeached, hes looking at getting a turning point. Things arent going in the direction he actually wants. Jonathan . Yeah. I was going to say quickly, i know a number of people have been indicted federally, it ruins their lives. Their lives are turned upside down. They dont go golfing. They cant eat. Their lives are ruined. Outside of the death of a family member, i cant think of something more disruptive, and for donald trump, its just another day that ends in wine. This is how absurd and how abnormal this is. Most people would not be running for office, let alone being seen in public anywhere. Lets take this conversation into commercial break. We have to squeeze in a break. G. We got to get in a break. Thank you for being with us this morning. Still ahead, d. C. Hosted dignitaries and president ial inaugurations and now capitol Security Apparatus shifted into high gear for a criminal arraignment of a former president. Well speak with the former d. C. Intel chief who oversaw the response to january 6th about the Security Preparations under way today. Youre watching special live coverage of Donald Trumps third arraignment at our nations capitol. Arraignment at our nations capitol. O thats what im talkin about josh allen is this your plan to watch the game today . hero fan uh, yea. 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That courthouse less than a mile where trump stands accused of maing claims to an angry crowd on january 6th. Today, the capitol is on heightened alert after what now appears to be a false report of an active shooter, temporary clear, the nations capitol yesterday. Aaron gilchrist joins us outside the courthouse. Also with us, Daniel Harvin who oversaw the citys january 6th response. Lets start with the reporting, and, aaron, this is a busy federal courthouse, security is always tight. What kinds of security are you seeing there across d. C. Today right now . Reporter there is a growing Security Footprint here today. I want to mention, though, part of the reason for that is the concern potentially about demonstrators being here. So far this morning we havent seen much. You see a guy here with a prison jumpsuit, costume on, hes carrying a sign that says lock him up. An antitrump demonstrator, if you will. One other person we have seen with a huge flag towering over members of the media. Beyond that, though, we have seen this massive Security Presence that popped up since late last night. These Metal Barricades have gone up since midnight last night, all around the federal courthouse here, which is just a block off the national mall, not far from the u. S. Capitol building either. This is just one indicator of the Security Presence that has really set up to be prepared for anything that may happen when a former president of the United States comes to a courthouse like this for the hearing that we expect to happen today. The federal we just lost reporter one of the main entrances sorry, aaron, we lost you for a second. Looks like we lost him again. Okay. This is live tv in the nations capitol. Want to see if we can bring aaron back. Meanwhile, daniel, it feels like a full circle moment in many ways. These massive Security Preparations for trumps arraignment after hes accused of exploiting violence on a day when Security Preparations obviously fell short. What is going through your mind as you watch these preparations . Well, the preparations are really spot on, obviously. Law enforcement has learned a lot from january 6th, it would be difficult for a squirrel to get through the Security Apparatus they have lined up. But more sobering this is a sobering day for the country. It is once again a third time indictment for former president , this is nothing for people to celebrate and quite frankly it could lead to more radicalization, to the more extreme elements of his base as was previously mentioned. This is trumps first arraignment in d. C. But he has been arraigned in new york. Hes been arraigned in miami a few months ago. Do we have any idea if officials in d. C. Looked to those cities as they prepared for today . Would you have expected them to consult . Absolutely. And, you know, nobody is better preparing for large scale activities than washington, d. C. Another trend youve seen is new york, miami, the crowds, the pro trump crowds have been smaller and smaller as this has gone along and they have become less and less violent. So i think that a lot of the, you know, rara around trump and rallying around him is starting to dissipate. But with that said, Security Officials have to plan for that lone individual, that lone actor who may get into a truck with weapons and with no footprint online and then come and try to disrupt and be violent. Theyre not taking any chances. But you see the trend in terms of the violence that is starting to deescalate. Daniel harvin and aaron gilchrist, thank you for being with us this morning. Much more to get in our next hour of coverage. Including what axios calls trumps delusion defense. How republicans may be forced to defend someone who cant distinguish reality from conspiracy. 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Tourists tourists that turn into scientists. Tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. So researchers can help life underwater flourish. Good morning. 11 00 a. M. Eastern, 8 00 a. M. Pacific, im jose diazbalart alongside my friend and colleague ana cabrera with the third indictment of donald trump. Right now the nations Capitol Holding its breath with just a few hours to go until the former president begins the now familiar process of making a Court Appearance. Hell be at the courthouse, which is just a couple of blocks away from where we are bringing you this broadcast today. And security is at an all time high as we wait to see the former Commander In Chief plead not guilty. Trump is also expected to be fingerprinted, but were told no mug shot will be taken this time. Former president and his team are out with a new request this morning, the w