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brick in the wall confirming that the big lie is indeed baseless. from "washington post," quote, u.s. postal service investigators found no evidence to support a pennsylvania postal worker's claim that his supervisors had tampered with mail in ballots according to an inspector general's report. allegations cited by top republicans to press baseless clams of fraud in the presidential election. richard hopkins alleged he heard the local postmaster general. he revised the initial claims eventually stated he had not heard a conversation about ballots at all. rather he saw the postmaster and supervisor having a discussion and assumed it was about fraudulent ballot back dating. the new report states. even though the dubious claim was recanted the damage was done. it became a case study in what trump and trumpism can do with a lie. trump referred to hop conditions as a quote brave patriot. senator graham cited the false claim from hopkins in a letter to the jd demanding a federal investigation into the election in pennsylvania. and just a day later, attorney general barr cleared the doj to investigate claims of vote fraud before state certified the results. barr admitted a few weeks later that the doj came up with nothing to suggest the election outcome was fraudulent. but dozens of republicans refused to accept the results. all because of baseless claims like the ones from hopkins. trump supporters came unmasked to washington hyped up, amped up on the false claims amplified by donald trump repeated and exploitded by people like graham. and now smoking gun evidence that it was all a lie. the ig report on one of the most brazenly false claims fueling the big lie is where we start this hour. before our friends david plouffe and jason johnson, we have a chance to talk to pennsylvania's attorney general josh shapiro. we have been talking and you have been saying since the days leading up to the election and the days after the election through the certification and the electoral count vote that there was no fraud. it's amazing to me that even at the time things that you from your position of authority had the ability to run down and know that they were not true had so much power in the hands of rudy giuliani, in the hands of donald trump, in the hands of bill barr, in the hands of lindsey graham. the ig report warrants the attention and focus but a lot of the harm was already turn. what do you do to make sure that doesn't happen again? >> a lot of the harm has been done. the big lie did not produce obviously any voter fraud. but it did produce now a cynical public. recent polling shows that 74% of republicans don't believe that joe biden is the legitimate president. 70% believe that voter fraud was the biggest issue in the 2020 election. there's no evidence of that fraud that the former president and enablers talk about. look, we have truth telling to do in this country and we have to recognize that the work of perpetuating the big lie continues in the state capitols across this country. my state is the home of the second most amount of voter suppression bills that have been introduced. this is serious stuff. the election is over and joe biden was duly elected but the toxicity of trump continues. >> the legislation aims to solve a problem that doesn't exist. marketed as election security laws. there is not an election fraud epidemic in this country. if the facts couldn't prevail to stop a deadly insurrection, how do the facts prevail in state after state to stop the voter suppression laws? >> let's speak truth about what this is. the people putting forth the bills in harrisburg and other state capitals across the country are not trying to make it harder for people that look like you and me to vote but the black and brown communities to vote. the system for their supporters. and the way we stop that here in pennsylvania is twofold. number one, by speaking truth, by making sure we speak truth on programs like this and through government documents like the inspector general report, that you talked about that came from that erie incident or nonincident as it were but also by making sure we have governors to veto the bills. we have a democratic governor here in pennsylvania that will do that. hopefully we'll see people peel away from the lie. we are seeing people who after going to the capitol january 6th subscribing to the qanon wacko theories are saying, my gosh, i got carried away. maybe with more truth telling in a lot of different forms and mediums we can begin to peel people away from the belief system that injected toxicity into the system and threatened the democracy. >> threatened our security. i'm just astounded by the new reporting from the intelligence community about the nature of the threat of dve, domestic violent extremist and it could be focused around states where there were false claims of fraud. could you take me inside sort of going about the functions of your job? do you encounter reports of threats? are you coordinating with the fbi on that? >> we have encountered a dramatic increase in the number of threats like you're describing. we saw them begin to inch up in the year leading to the election. obviously a fevered pitch around the election and thereafter. as a chief law enforcement officer here in pennsylvania i coordinate closely not just with the state partners but our federal partners. a significant number of people have been arrested from pennsylvania who participated in the insurrection on january 6. we continue to be at a heightened alert, continue to monitor the chatter and continue to do everything we can to not just work with the federal partners on what happened january 6 but ensure that our state capitol and other state assets and resources are protected here. >> this poll number, i hate putting it up because it makes me sad that you are on the front loons of combatting it. among the poll, asking a simple question, did joe biden win the election fair and square, only 26% of republicans think he won fair and square. 65% of republicans think he won -- think that president biden was elected because of voter fraud. bill barr said there was none. his clownish personal lawyer rudy giuliani as you know very well went to courthouse after courthouse and wasn't able to produce any. what do you do about those numbers at an hour of -- we have been talking about the domestic terror threat, also a deadly pandemic raging. what do you do with a number like that, 65% of the mesh public that doesn't believe joe biden is legitimate? >> i think it's step by step. the first thing that the country did was throw out the former president who was feeding them those lies over prolonged period of time. the second thing we do is we tell the truth. and we make sure that we introduce government documents like that inspector general report into the public dialogue and the public conversation. the third thing we do and i take my responsibility adds a lawyer seriously is that we hold the lawyers accountable who went to court to perpetuate the big lie. i will have to say on the request of sanctions of those lawyers very soon but i will tell you that they can't get away with using the court system in this country to perpetuate that lie. they wont get away with it and we are not letting that issue go. >> as you're speaking i'm remembering that the president's descended on the commonwealth i think first. are you looking at sanctions for people like rudy giuliani? >> i'm not going to get into the specific people but we have carefully been looking at sanctions for those lawyers who participated in the big lie who used the courts to per pech wait and more to say about that soon. there's one thing to have a press conference and not tell the truth. that's unethical and unsavory but not against the law. you can't use the court system for that and too many of donald trump's lawyers and his enablers did do that. not just the private attorneys but we are concerned about some of my fellow attorneys general including the texas attorney general and went about the seditious conduct through the courts is something we're carefully exploring. >> let me just press you. are you looking at texas' attorney general who it's been reported worked in coordination with the trump white house to bring that lawsuit that really is sort of a legal foundation for the insurrection? that was the vote that had almost 200 house members behind it, ultimately josh hawley and ted cruz give it more life. is that something you're focused on? >> i think that texas attorney general and some of the folks who worked with hymn gauged in seditious conduct. i called it that before the united states supreme court. there are people in texas right now exploring whether or not he ought to be sanctioned or disbarred for his conduct. i think that's more of a question for folks in the texas bar than the pennsylvania bar. certainly his conduct unbecoming of an attorney general and of a lawyer. >> you always give us plenty to chew on. pennsylvania's attorney general josh shapiro, thank you so much for spending time with us today. let's bring in to our conversation david plouffe and jason johnson. so this is far from over is all i can think of just listening to the attorney general speak there. but to the broader point, jason, that so much o. damage is already done and for those of us fact based consumers of information, this ag report is huge news. but to the two sides of this coin, that the power of donald trump's lies is that they were immune to the facts. >> right. right. this is the thing that's more scary for me. up got 62% of self identified republicans and in 2021 saying i think the election was rigged. i look back at 2011 and you had 45% of republicans in 2011 who thought barack obama was born in kenya. the party is dumber or crazier or more conspiracy operated in the last decade. it would be easier to convince people that obama was born in kenya than it should be to think that joe biden is a collection of democrat and republican state senators and secretaries of state managed to rig an entire election. it is not just a crisis of confidence. it is not just a crisis of competence. it is a crisis of truth and some point you have to recognize that when people worship white supremacy, trump, whatever kind of qanon conspiracy they want, it is now a cult. it is a cult not radically dissimilar from al qaeda. you have to defeat them with laws and allow them to live in the fantasy world they want if they don't harm other people. >> they did harm other people, david plouffe. you look at the insurrection, the reporting coming out now that the intelligence agencies are functioning more normally. the odni put out this report on violent extremism. there's two big things that donald trump left us. angst and anger about the election result and they think are fraud lightning and angst and frustration about covid related public health guidelines and mandates so they do endanger every one of us. >> they endanger us in the short term with these attacks on the democracy and could end the country. if you look back i think a lot of us thought that the republican elected officials scared of trump and went along with the big lie and then seeing in the states i think that they went along with this so that they would then have the permission struck clur to try to basically since we don't have voter fraud in this country but trying to pass voter suppression. to change who decide wins or loses elections. and i think that's what this is is the ultimate power grab. this isn't just about the 2022 elections or the 2024 presidential election. they're trying to set this up for a long time so that they don't lose elections. and that's what we're facing right now so donald trump's legacy will be with us. stained us in so many ways. but this is the fuel and doesn't matter how many facts come out. you will have at least a third of the country and the decision makers in the republican party saying i have all the evidence we need. voter fraud. the country needs to be vigilant because they're going to stay at this and stay at this and stay at this. it is not just how many bills they pass this legislative session they will stay at it. >> i want to show you just on this topic specifically something that senator warnock said on rachel maddow's show last night. let's watch. >> as we stood up as americans in the 1960s, and passed federal legislation to say we are one country and the foundation upon which this country is built, we are a democratic republic, we have to do that right now. and there is a path to do it. and to do otherwise would be a terrible dereliction of our duty. if we don't protect the democracy in the congress what is the body of the senate for? >> jason, this is i think the frame that is urgently needed that these weren't about -- this is not about election security but the preservation of democracy. this is about right/left. this is about what kind of country do you want to live in. >> yeah. i think historic context is important here. we have really only had free elections in this country for about 50 years anyway. this was the norm. until you go to the activism of 1960s it was routine for large swath of americans to be absolutely locked out of voting. black people, women, asian people. what we're seeing the republican party do now is go back to the norm of american voting behavior. we are fighting for that future that we have only had for 40 or 50 years so when senator warnock is talking about this is for democracy, for our future, he is not just speaking pie in the sky. he is literally saying i live in a state where this was the history of the state. i'm in the state where the blood of john lewis is in the ground who vote to make sure that everybody has the right to vote. this is not a new thing. we have a history of this in our country and if we don't hold the people accountable and don't listen to the crazy conspiracies and allow people to get on television and say there's voter fraud, they will take america back to the 1930s, 1940s and '20 and make sure nobody who's a straight white male in this country to vote. >> i think that's the framework and the pendulum around the messaging but i think he's speaking to the stakes for the filibuster and not being -- not allowing mitch mcconnell determine the rules of engagement. let me sort of end this on the one hope. the brennan center has done analysis saying each of the restrictive voting bills in the states that concludes that for the people act would thwart virtually every single one of them. there is no election fraud on a widespread systematic nature in this country but the brennan center found that the for the people act that passed the united states house of representatives in march would expand voting rights and strengthen the democracy. david, where do you come down on sort of the stakes of getting the for the people act through the senate? >> for the people act doesn't pass we might as well all go home. surrender the country. >> wow. >> that's what's at stake here. listen. we are going to escape the pandemic. the economy will recover. we'll solve questions like immigration but if we allow voter suppression to be normalized in connection with white supremacy forget about it. this has to pass. we had to win the battle against the axis in world war ii. we had to eventually pass civil rights in this country. this is one of the most important moments the country's ever faced and so whether it is full of reform of the filibuster, whatever it tacks, this has to pass and what's clear is it's down to two or three democratic senators will have to decide will they stand in the way of the protection of this democracy? >> they will. >> it's amazing. go ahead, jason. what did you say? >> i have to say, look. every single senator and i say this in kindness, they're divas. if this comes down to joe man chin he won't miss the moment in history. for him to be the one final vote to allow the act to be passed because his name attached to the vote and this law and john lewis for history. i think eventually it is going to happen because not just a threat to the democracy but because the one person whose resistance to the current form of the filibuster is the difference and will change when he knows he'll get the credit for it. >> we'll stay on this. you have blown my mind today. thank you so much. whether we come bark, president joe biden meeting and exceeding his own vaccine goals for the country, speaking today on the progress made in a move forward toward vaccine diplomacy. a hearing on capitol hill, a first one in decades and it turned emotional and personal days after a mass shooting in georgia that left eight people dead, eight of them were asian women. plus donald trump's legal coat of presidential protective armor appears now to be a cheap piece on the. how his legal vulnerableabilities are shaping up. don't go anywhere. network at a record pace. we were the first to bring 5g nationwide. and now that sprint is a part of t-mobile, we're turning up the speed. upgrading over a thousand towers a month with ultra capacity 5g to bring speeds as fast as wi-fi to cities and towns across america. and we're adding more every week. coverage and speed, who says you can't have it all? ♪ ♪ we made usaa insurance for veterans like martin. when a hailstorm hit, he needed his insurance to get it done right, right away. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa when we look office, there was a lot that had to be didn't. we needed more vaccines. more vaccinators, more places for people to get vaccinated. and we needed a whole of government approach. i'm proud to announce that tomorrow 58 days into our administration, we will have met my goal of administering 100 million shots to our fellow americans. we are going to beat this. we're way ahead of schedule. but we got a long way to go. that was president biden today marking what will be as he said there sometime tomorrow 100 million covid vaccine shots administered in his presidency. it's hitting that number more than 40 day ahead of the promise 100-day goal. equity and accessibility is a prokus in the efforts to vaccinate as many americans as possible directing fema to set up vaccination sites nationwide to reach underserved communities. this week philadelphia is opening up its massive convention center to walk-up vaccinations through monday, no appointment needed there. officials are hoping it's an open door for individuals who find the electronic sign-up tricky or a confusing roadblock. joining us is cal perry live at that vaccination center in philadelphia. white house reporter for the associated press and medical contributor. i'm going to let the objective reporters stay objective reporters but holy cow, to get to the 100 million shots mark so far ahead of schedule isn't just a -- it is not a political accomplishment really. it shows what was possible if the country's leaders put their entire focus and dedicated as this white house has the whole of government to getting people vaccinated. doctor, if you extrapolate that across the remaining fight against the pandemic, do you feel more reason for optimism at this point than at any time under the last guy? >> i absolutely do. i kind of want to spell out what it means when we say that we've gotten the 100 million doses out. 65% of people over 65 are already vaccinated and there's interesting data from financial times showing that once we started to vaccinating people everybody as we saw in january and february cases started to go down but the cases, hospitalizations and deaths and those who are in long term facilities, older, over 70, fell faster than any other age group. and so, as we move forward one thing that i stick with is not just the hard work that we put in there but the fact that we all have -- at the government level we all have a role to play in the hard work ahead. president biden said now's the time for optimism, not a time for relaxation. we all have a hard work to do so we can have a more normal summer on the other side. >> jonathan, as someone who once had a small role to play in white house messaging, this is just an epic public relations challenge. the public is sick of it. even people that trust the science and want to do all the things. what is the white house's sort of strategy for the final push ahead of enough vaccinations to protect everybody? >> to this point obviously on one part of the public relations campaign they have done really well. the president consistently sort of underpromised and overdelivered like timelines and then beating them. in terms of the production of the vaccine but that is as you said only half the battle. you need to make sure that it's distributed and that americans take the vaccine and they recognize they have a significant hurdle to climb here. the nation can't be fully past the pandemic until enough people take the vaccine. so they are working with it. we know they have outreach in the communities particularly african-american communities where there's reluctance understandably to take the vaccine in some quarters because of historically tragedies and a huge swath of republicans, trump voters who won't take it because of this relentless war on science. only accelerated under president trump with his mixed messaging. trump himself finally this week in a tv interview encouraged people to take the vaccine and didn't take part of the campaign that the other former former presidents. this is something that the white house is trying to do and as much as they feel it would be helpful they believe the most important people to recommend it, the local doctor encouraging people to take the shot and telling others to do the same. >> cal, what is happening in philadelphia seems to be an acknowledgement there's hurdle of appointments and navigating the websites. >> reporter: i have met people all day desperate for a vaccine and they came up and got up at 4:00 in the morning here at 6:00 in the morning for doors that opened at 8:00 a.m. to get a vaccine. we have seen a steady stream of people seasons. folk that is live in communities of color, 22 zip codes in the philadelphia area set aside because they're not being served fairly. those are the words of the local government here. they're trying to get the per capita numbers up. talking about the 100 million vaccines as people here line up to show they live in a community and eligible for those vaccines people are going out of their way to get here. it is not easy to get to downtown philadelphia. you have to take the day off of work, coordinate that with the city to get here so people are making a sacrifice to get the vaccine here. i think that is important to tell the viewers and can be incredibly difficult in many places. rural areas to get your hands on the vaccine. the philadelphia government is flanked by the marine corps, some ngos to keep things moving. it is really impressive to see folks getting in and out of here in an hour. processing 500 people every hour. 6,000 vaccines in a day and running until at least monday. i spoke to the fema director who said they would like to expand it if the need is there. >> that's a remarkable sight and has to be heartening to see the demand and sounds like what cal is describing is pent of up demand. how far are we from vaccines available door to door? if you can't go through that it sounds like pretty challenging lo gistings. >> i think we should move to getting to where people are and the first step of getting door to door is to get it into a doctor's office which is where then patients can more closely and easily access. last weekend i asked on the twitter account what the challenges were. you are eligible in the state, what is keeping you from getting a vaccine. aside from supply a big part is digital divide. between communities with lower resources, between generations, to navigate the web sides. what philadelphia and other places that move that access sites into communities is important. another important thing on that list of responses is people are traveling long distances, three hours to try to get vaccines. wherever the supplies are available. the demand is there but i think we'll get to a point of everybody that wants a vaccine and hit that resistant group of the population that's hesitant, requires a closer personal, interpersonal relationship and i think that's where doctors and nurses in those communities can play a role and helping bridge any questions they have or any mistrust they may have in the vaccine. >> jonathan, there's some movement at the white house to help share some of our supply in this country of the astrazeneca vaccine which is not being used in the united states with our neighbors. talk about that. >> this is becoming a pressure point for the white house in recent days. the astrazeneca vaccine has not yet been approved for use in the united states. over in europe it has been but there's been hiccups. some governments suspended it and then brought it back on and concerns of blood clots and now authorized to use and the u.s. had stockpiled a supply of this and just sitting there not approved here in the u.s. and there was questions and nearly daily basis for press secretary what's the point? why can't the u.s. engage in vaccine diplomacy and seeing china do? today they agreed that they will ship a few million doses to both canada and mexico. of the astrazeneca vaccine. to countries that have not had the robust supply that the u.s. has right now. the u.s. vaccine manufacturing facilities across the country are humming at warp speed if you will. there's going to be as the president said enough for every american adult by may. get them to people who could use them and build goodwill. trying to have american branded vaccines to the arms of our friends and neighbors. >> amazing, cal, jonathan, doctor, thank you all so much for spending time with us today. the rise in violence and hate filled racist rhetoric to asian-americans in this country the focus on capitol hill today. lawmakers testifying a systematic problem exists and the former president helped fuel this hate. hate. psoriatic arthritis, made my joints stiff, swollen, painful. tremfya® is approved to help reduce joint symptoms in adults with active psoriatic arthritis. some patients even felt less fatigued. serious allergic reactions may occur. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. tremfya®. emerge tremfyant™. janssen can help you explore cost support options. i'll be observing your safe-driving abilities. play your cards right, and you could be in for a tasty discount. 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>> it's hard to watch. it is. i'm just grateful for the voice of my colleague grace meng for what she did and said. this is supposed to be a moment for us as a country to come together and to condemn this act of violence and this mass murder that occurred tacking innocent lives. this is not a moment for -- to be hijacked and pivoted to some other topic. we need to be confronting this pain right here in our own community and i stand with grace. i stand with others to make sure that that is done. >> are you surprised that as recently as i think it was tuesday night the former president was on fox news uttering the kinds of statements that have put a target on the backs of many asian-americans as the congresswoman there calling the pandemic the china flu on fox news? i haven't seen anyone condemning him from the right. can you solve this problem? >> we have seen them turn the other way on a lot of different issues and right now we see the former president over the last year has poured gasoline on the fire but i want to really state that the violence and the discrimination against asian-american community proceeded the coronavirus and will be around after the coronavirus crisis comes to an end. it isn't just about covid, what the former president has said. he's certainly poured that gasoline on and made things much worse and harder to understand how to come together with the unity that we should be after such a massive tragedy like this. it certainly breaks my heart but i'm hardened by president biden going to atlanta tomorrow and doing what a leader should be doing. >> what will he hear? >> what he's going to hear is pain, a rawness that exists. i have heard it from people in georgia and elsewhere, a feeling like they have not been seen or heard before. i heard so many asian-americans say they did not report some incidents that they have experienced because of fear of retaliation and the feeling that nothing would happen. that isolation, that feeling of abandonment is something that we need to change. this engagement is a first step. this hearing and the steps are a first step but how do we make sure that that engagement is there even when it's not on the banners of news programs like this? we need a sustained follow up. >> i remember seeing these pictures of you january th. i'll putt them up again for our viewers, cleaning up some of the devastation after the insurrection. and that was your house and your place of work and it had been vandalized and attacked and people died. but there's obviously a through line between the hatred that led to that attack and the hatred that we're talking about. how do you heal all the hatred at this moment that we seem to not agree on a common set of facts anymore? >> i really struggled over the last two months sense the insurrection and the last two days since the brutal mass murder to try to make sense of what's happened so i won't be able to tell you right now that i have all the answers here but what it starts with is having that kind of respect. respect for our country. respect for our democracy. our institutions of democracy like the capitol building and respect for each other. and clearly we are losing that. we are losing that shared space and shared understanding and shared truth in the country right now and we have to make sure that we change because we are not on a good trajectory here at all. in fact, in a way to get where we need to go we need to have changes there so that's certainly something i'm committing myself to working on and i hope others do, as well. >> do you feel safe when you walk around, when you are in your community or out at night? do you feel threatened? >> when i go around my community now, i go around my community and i have for a while with armed escort. when i'm on official duty. i have sheriff's departments coming with me because we're concerned. this happened before january 6th and shows the situation we are in. i'm grateful for support but i am worried. i'm worried about my family. we have experience -- i have, as well, specific instances over the last year of discrimination and yelled at, family members telling us to get away from us thinking that they'll get the coronavirus from us. this is something that i worry about a lot. and i know others have experienced much worse than i have and we are -- that is who i'm fighting for right now. >> thank you for sharing that. it's not easy to hear and i'm sure not easy to talk about. thank you for spending time with us. we will be right back. ight back. we look up to our heroes. idolizing them. mimicking their every move. and if she counts on the advanced hydration of pedialyte when it matters most... so do we. hydrate like our heroes. ♪♪ struggling to manage my type 2 diabetes was knocking me out of my zone, hydrate like our heroes. but lowering my a1c with once-weekly ozempic® helped me get back in it. ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic® ♪ my zone? 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"the washington post" today identifies at least six ongoing investigations involving the former president, including in new york where the district attorney is combing through his tax records and the state's attorney general has subpoenaed his bankers, his chief financial officer, and his son. as well as in georgia and d.c. where trump is facing criminal investigations into his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. and that's not all. the paper has also identified at least 29 lawsuits in which he or one of his companies is named as a defendant. perfect time to bring into our conversation msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel. i feel like we have done a good job staying on top of news as it breaks on the legal front, but to see them all laid out in david's great piece with his colleagues at the "post" was staggering. >> yeah. so, i think the first thing to make sure people understand, especially in light of your last two segments, is why is donald trump not being held responsible for deliberate inaction in connection with the pandemic or his, you know, promoting racist tropes with respect to asian-americans, you know, which i personally think -- i contrast that with when 9/11 happened, one of the very first things that president bush said is, this is not about the muslim community. and the reason is, is that there's a legal doctrine called executive privilege, and so the president is virtually immune from almost anything he does in office if it can be shown that there's even a tangential connection to his role as president. so, that leads to the numerous civil and criminal investigations and some civil lawsuits that are already pending with respect to former president trump, of which, of course, the most serious are the criminal investigations in new york, in d.c., and in georgia. >> i want to ask you about all the trump stuff but it just strikes me that in your perch as general counsel to the fbi, you would have been intimately involved in what the fbi is dealing with now. we don't have a lot of visibility into it so i want to ask you about this report released from the intelligence communities yesterday about the nature of the threat from violent domestic extremism. what they've shared with us makes clear that the people who represent the gravest threat and the views of the intelligence community and the fbi are people who subscribe to donald trump's lies. is there any scenario where his speech and his conduct isn't also under scrutiny? >> well, as i said, you know, i think that's going to be under scrutiny, but the question is, what does that mean in terms of liability? you know, civil liability, and there are a couple lawsuits in d.c. that seek to hold him responsible for the actions on january 6th, and of course, morally, that's easy to do, but he will claim that that has some connection to his presidential powers. i think that argument, i think, is tenuous at best and i think that's where you could see liability. with respect to your larger point, one of the things that's terrific about merrick garland being confirmed and lisa monaco, who's likely to be confirmed, is that they have enormous, enormous experience on domestic terrorism matters, and you know, after 9/11, we were very focused on foreign terrorism, but i think that you're going to see in the next four years an enormous amount of investigation on that. it is a little bit fraught because it is really important to make sure that you are not infringing on first amendment protected activities, but i think that's where merrick garland and lisa will be very, very careful about how those investigations are conducted. >> i want to ask you about michael cohen. he's going into cy vance's investigators for an eighth time. he also cooperated with the mueller probe. you know a little bit of what michael cohen knows. what could he possibly be talking about on visit number eight? >> well, you know, this is speculation, but i think that they have to be asking michael cohen about the documents that they just got from the trump accounting firm. these are the documents that the manhattan district attorney's office has fought for and gone to the supreme court twice and won twice and finally has it in their possession, and i'm sure they are trying to get any leads, any information and see if there's any sort of intel they can gather from michael cohen on those documents. >> do you think there are? >> you know, i suspect that he has some inside information. i still do not think he will end up being a witness for them, because he has a whole host of baggage, but i think you want to exhaust all information so that you can pursue any and all leads. i am confident that this is not the only person that they are speaking to. this may just be the only person they're speaking to who is perfectly willing to talk to the public about what he is doing. >> we see him coming in and out. thank you, andrew weissmann. the next hour of "deadline white house" starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere, we're just getting started. k break. don't go anywhere, we're just getting started. the #1 hyaluronic acid moisturizer delivers 2x the hydration for supple, bouncy skin. neutrogena®. hey lily, i need a new wireless plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this... your mover, rob, he's on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. we cut to downtown, your sales rep lisa has to send some files, asap! so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee... yeah i should've just led with that... with at&t business... you can pick the best plan for each employee and only pay for the features they need. we need to reduce plastic waste in the environment. that's why at america's beverage companies, our bottles are made to be re-made. not all plastic is the same. we're carefully designing our bottles to be one hundred percent recyclable, including the caps. they're collected and separated from other plastics, so they can be turned back into material that we use to make new bottles. that completes the circle, and reduces plastic waste. please help us get every bottle back. we look up to our heroes. idolizing them. mimicking their every move. and if she counts on the advanced hydration of pedialyte when it matters most... so do we. hydrate like our heroes. ♪♪ ( crowd sounds on tv ) tonight...i'll be eating loaded tots for march madness. 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( clapping ) double the madness! if you smell gas, you're too close. leave the structure, call 911, keep people away, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. if you see wires down, treat them all as if they're hot and energized. stay away from any downed wire, call 911, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. we need some reinforcements up here. they're starting to pull the gates down. they're throwing metal poles at us. >> cruiser 50 they've breached the scaffold. they are behind our lines. >> cruiser 50, i copy. we're still taking rocks, bottles, and pieces of flag and metal pole. cruiser 50, the crowd is using munitions against us. they have bear spray in the crowd, bear spray in the crowd. cruiser 50, we're flanked. 10-33. i repeat, 10-33. we have been breached and we've lost the line. >> radio traffic from the insurrection. hi again, everyone, it's 5:00 in the east. the horrors as you heard right there of january 6th felt acutely by members of the capitol and d.c. police force who suffered countless physical and mental traumas that day. one officer lost his life as a result of injuries he sustained. two others committed suicide in the days following. which makes what 12 republican lawmakers did last night all the more appalling. the house passed a resolution awarding congressional gold medals, the highest honor congress can bestow, to the capitol and d.c. police officers who defended them and the capitol building that day. however, a dozen house republicans saw to it to vote against it. they voted against honoring the men and women who protected their lives as an angry pro-trump mob stormed their place of work. the 12 lawmakers said they objected to the word "insurrection" being in the resolution. one even called the measure a politically charged publicity stunt. but new video released today by the fbi shines an even brighter light on the terror inflicted on police officers that day. we have to warn you that the video is violent and disturbing. the bureau released ten videos to help identify suspects in what they describe as the most egregious assaults on federal officers during the riots and they've matched videos with photos highlighting the person they're trying to find so the person's face is on the left and then the video rolls with the person highlighted in the middle. that's what you're looking at. it comes as more members of the far-right group the proud boys are being charged for their actions that day. "the new york times" reports on new conspiracy charges, quote, fbi agents have arrested two organizers for the proud boys. in philadelphia and north carolina. and prosecutors filed new charges against two other prominent members of the far-right group in florida and washington state as federal authorities continue their crackdown on its leadership ranks. three law enforcement officials said on wednesday. with the new conspiracy indictment, prosecutors have now brought charges against a total of 13 people identified in court papers as members of the proud boys. we're now over two months since the attack on the capitol, and the threat of further violence by extremists persists. the new report from the director of national intelligence released yesterday warns, quote, newer sociopolitical developments will almost certainly spur some domestic violent extremists to try to engage in violence this year. that rising threat hanging over government officials across the country. politico reporting that lawmakers in state capitals are looking to stock up on protection. quote, everything from body armor to panic buttons at home. and just yesterday, a man was arrested near vice president harris's residence. nbc news reports, quote, police officers searched murray's car where they found a rifle and a large amount of ammunition, police said. it was unclear why he, murray, was in washington from texas or why he was near the naval observatory which contains harris's residence. republicans playing politics as our country faces severe domestic terror threats is where we start this hour. ben rhodes is back, former deputy national security advisor to president obama and an msnbc contributor. also joining us, olivia troye, she worked as an advisor to mike pence on the coronavirus task force as well as an advisor on homeland security and counterterrorism. she's now the director of the republican accountability project. and our friend, nbc news capitol hill correspondent garrett haake is here. garrett, i guess i'm old enough to remember that no matter what the language in the bill to honor law enforcement officials who paid a couple of them with their lives to protect you, was something that wouldn't hold up honoring law enforcement officials, some of whom paid with their lives to protect you. >> reporter: well, and the reality for republicans to declare this a political stunt, a no vote is just as much of a stunt. this is the kind of measure that could typically be passed by unanimous consent where you wouldn't even record the vote, and if that had happened, if these lawmakers had simply sat on their hands and kept their objections to themselves, we wouldn't be doing a television segment about this today. it is only a story because these lawmakers stood up and said, we don't want to use this language. we don't want these people to be honored. and for some of them, if you're marjorie taylor greene and you're not on any committees anymore, drawing attention to yourself in this way is one of the only tools left for you to deploy even as you're here walking around in the halls of congress. so, it is -- to say that this no vote is in protest of what they decide is a political stunt is in and of itself a stunt and republicans, more senior republicans, republicans, you know, in the leadership circles will privately say this is not helpful. this is not doing good for this party. they would like to move on from january 6th, certainly, but this is not how that gets done. so, just another mess for congressional republicans to have to clean up because some members want to draw attention to themselves in this way. >> well, let's say their names. andy biggs, andy harris, matt gaetz, louis gohmert, andrew clyde, bob good, thomas massey, lance gooden, marjorie taylor greene, michael cloud, greg stube and john rhodes. those are the names of the republicans who are against honoring washington and capitol law enforcement officials who, at least in one instance, paid with their lives to protect them. you know, garrett, it comes on the heels of luke broadwater of the "new york times" reporting that at least a couple people on our screen right now have some connections, associations and ties with the militia groups themselves. what is sort of the level of distrust up on the capitol about some of these folks? >> reporter: extraordinarily high. i mean, there are times where the two sides up here don't particularly like each other, where partisanship is higher sometimes and it is lower, but after january 6th, there's a real feeling, especially on the house side, a lot of congressional democrats just don't want to work with any of these people. they don't want cosponsors on their bills who voted to throw out the election votes. they certainly don't want anything to do with folks who have, you know, played footsie with qanon or who have been supportive of some of these greater conspiracy theories. i mean, it is more tribal and more, you know, sticking to the people who wear your jersey than i have seen at any time that i have covered this. and the reasons are understandable, but the temperature has gone up, and the willingness to associate across party lines has gone down here, and all that's going to complicate joe biden's agenda as we get past things that can be passed through reconciliation. >> it's such a good point, ben, to think of this as the republicans calling it a stunt with a stunt all of their own that is nothing but a stunt. i want to put up the videos. i sat and watched them. i had to move away from where my son was doing remote school because they're really hard to watch, but i just -- i just want to put a couple of them up. so, my understanding is that the law enforcement strategy here is to put a face that might be easier to identify in a community or grocery store up there on the left and then we see the conduct on the right. the fbi, frank figliuzzi describes this as sort of crowd sourcing law enforcement. this batch of videos just takes your breath away, ben rhodes. >> yeah. and when you pair that with the tapes you played at the beginning, look, these weren't just a bunch of people who randomly happened to find themselves on the national mall and decided to walk to the capitol. some of these people were armed. some of these people had bear spray. some of these people had clubs. some of these people seemed to know how to undertake flanking maneuvers and i think what's so daejs about this idea of republicans calling it, it's a stunt? a political stunt to have a resolution honoring the people who put down an insurrection? no, this is an ongoing threat. these people are connected to militias. these people are connected to others who stockpile weapons. these people clearly have the motivation to continue to undermine our democracy and perhaps do physical harm to elected officials. this is anything but a political stunt. and the people out there who sympathize with these radicals, with these terrorists, they now can look at those 12 members of congress and see in the united states house of representatives fellow travelers, people who are literally running interference for them and trying to diminish what happened on january 6th and the dangerous thing, nicole, is that there's no way that this threat is gone. i wish it were not the case. i wish that there weren't going to be additional acts of violence but does anybody truly believe that somehow this isn't going to happen again at a state capitol or when a politician is targeted somewhere or other acts of violence that are targeted at minorities or political opponents? this is something that we have to deal with as a country, and the republicans who voted against this and frankly the republican leadership that refuses to more forcefully condemn what happened on january 6th and continues to embrace some of the big lie that underpinned it, they're just not dealing with it seriously, and that puts us at greater risk. >> also breaking today, olivia troye, 12 members of the group that donald trump told to stand back and stand by have been arrested for conspiracy on january 6th. >> right, and these people are still out. their networks are still out in communities like ben said. and the greater risk is that these are transnational networks. they have been radicalizing internationally as well, and so this is not a small threat here that we're dealing with. this is global, and it happens to be on the rise here significantly, but this is something that we are going to be grappling with for quite some time, and i know the biden administration is very focused on this and addressing it, and i think, you know, i hope they'll reach out to our allies internationally because we have seen these groups network on social media. we have seen them in chat groups. we've seen them in encrypted chat rooms where they communicate that way, and it's going to be hard for us to counter this threat because of our laws here domestically, and it's really going to be a challenge, and like ben said, these republicans and their stunts, especially these trump-supporting republican enablers like gohmert and matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene, they're actually making this problem worse. they're doubling down on it. they're trying to play revisionist history about what's happening on january 6th but really they're sending a message to these groups that it's okay, that what they're doing is okay. >> and garrett haake, no one is sending a clearer message to these groups that what they're doing is okay than ron johnson who keeps calling them good people and patriots. can i play your exchange? >> please do. >> have you had a chance to look at these videos the fbi released of people assaulting law enforcement here at the capitol on the 6th? >> no, i'm hoping to be able to look at all of this. >> reporter: okay. i'm just wondering how you square that kind of material with your comments about the people who were here being -- >> again, i'm separating the people who assaulted that i have condemned and i understand that, versus i haven't seen that, obviously, when i was walking back to my office, and the thousands of people that came here that were peacefully protesting, same, same with the summer protests as well. the vast majority of people protested peacefully, but then there were rioters, okay, and i condemn all of that. >> who is he talking about? what is he talking about? i mean, i know he watches, i'm guessing this network, but fox news, but they've had images of the assault on police officers and capitol police on their network too. why does he keep insisting that the insurrectionists were peaceful? >> reporter: it's a fascinating question and to be clear, i was asking him about the fbi videos we have been discussing today but everyone who was involved in impeachment, including ron johnson, watched video after video after video during the impeachment trial. this kind of material isn't new. it's not as though he has not seen this. and remember, this is after his comments to a radio host saying that the people who marched on the capitol were people who love america and respect law enforcement. and this is kind of the point i wanted to make to him. i don't see how you can look at these videos and see people who respect law enforcement. since then, he's both doubled down on those comments with an op-ed in the "wall street journal" saying that it's the left trying to cancel him, to make a bigger deal out of it, and then in his comments to me which is one of those unscheduled interview, i had him for about 15 steps between a door and an elevator, to seem to be almost trying to stay out of this controversy and say, yeah, i condemn this, but throwing the whataboutism in on the summer protests. i covered a lot of the summer protests. these were nothing like the protests that we saw over the course of the summer. i mean, the bear spray, the baseball bats, the aggressive tactics against the police. it's disingenuous to the max and it's frustrating and i think it frustrates, frankly, other republicans too who as i said before don't want to talk about this anymore, and some of their members keep bringing it back up with comments like ron johnson's in that radio interview. >> well, and to be fair, ben rhodes, it's been brought up because the fbi released these videos today and that's the subject that garrett was chasing the senator down. i want to say, though, it's beyond both sides. it's a lie. what ron johnson is doing is he's like about the insurrection, and i -- if you've got kids in the room, please send them out for another couple minutes. i want to put up this video obtained by nbc washington, our affiliate in washington, through a court order. it shows emanuel jackson of maryland attempting to beat police with a metal baseball bat during the insurrection. i wonder what ron johnson and all the republicans who voted yesterday not to call this an insurrection has to say about this. and i wonder, ben rhodes, does tucker -- what's his name -- carlson staking out an anti- -- let me just let people see this. this is a man who's been identified. his name is emanuel jackson of maryland, attempting to beat police with a metal baseball bat. the republicans don't want to honor the people on the left, those are the police and law enforcement on the receiving end of emanuel jackson of maryland's baseball bat. so they think that protecting and giving a medal to the law enforcement folks that fill up the left side of your screen was something they voted no on yesterday and i guess my question is, ben, with tucker carlson coming out with an anti-military position about women, ten republican house members coming up with an anti-law enforcement position when it comes to the insurrection, where are we? >> well, nicole, we're in a very dangerous place where what we just watched was a terrorist attack on the heart of american democracy, and you can see the acts of violence, the intent, the hate, the intention of that mob to do physical harm to law enforcement, to do physical harm to members of congress, to overthrow a democratic election. that happened. we saw with our own eyes. even now, watching the tape, it's shocking that that could have possibly happened. but i think what is even more shocking is that not even a couple of months later, the entire organism of right-wing media, of fox news and people like tucker carlson and frankly a lot of the republican party in congress is far more afraid of calling out and confronting that mob and the forces that gave rise to that mob than they are in defending their own workplace that was under assault or the men and women who are defending them in their offices while they were hiding under their desks, those people were out there with plastic shields getting bear spray sprayed at them and having people swing baseball bats at them, and they're still more afraid of standing up to that mob than they are of being called out for not standing up for law enforcement and not standing up for our democracy. and again, until they grow a backbone, we're going to have a situation where there are people who are radicalized in this country, heavily armed, and olivia is exactly right, they're part of a global far-right ideology that's on the rise in other places. other places don't have the guns that america has that can be stockpiled by these militia groups. this is going to be a serious threat and the reason it's not going away is because the threat's not going away. it's not because washington reporters ask people questions. it's because it is a clear and present danger to this country. >> olivia, on that note, the idea of having a 9/11-style commission to investigate all of this, the root causes and everything that went on for the purpose of changing some of our policies or getting to the bottom of it is stuck in quick sand. it seems watching these videos and watching garrett pull together all this reporting that we need a place as a public for all this information to be put in one spot. can you just speak to the importance of a commission? >> i think it's critical. i think it's critical to really understand how this happened, how it developed, what happened, how the response came together, and what gaps there are so it doesn't happen again in terms of other events that could happen down the road especially with the ongoing threat against lawmakers that we're seeing and with congressional people really fearing for the life of their families, their staffs, and everyone they work with, and i think it's going to be critical, though, for really republican lawmakers to be bipartisan in this and actually do the right thing. they should be participating in this, and they should want this. they should want a commission to really get to the bottom of what happened here if they really actually care about the future of our country and the future of the safety of their surroundings and national security as a whole. >> you would think. olivia troye, thank you so much for being part of this conversation. garrett haake, thank you for being part of this conversation and for your interview there with senator johnson. we're grateful to have you around. ben rhodes is sticking with us. when we return, president biden calling vladimir putin a killer is a sharp break, to say the least, from four years of the former guy standing by his man in moscow. and in russia, having an american president who sees putin for what he is isn't exactly playing well there. we'll have putin's ominous response next. plus we told you about trump's mounting legal problems in the last hour. his business empire is also sinking fast thanks in part to the pandemic he failed to stop and the insurrection he helped start. and one year after the cancellation of the ncaa basketball tournament made the pandemic real for billions of basketball fans, the tournament is back and facing some unprecedented challenges. 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>> well, it's an interesting question. i don't know that biden thinks it's his job to improve relations with russia. i think that he wants to show himself to be in contrast to his predecessor who obviously, you know, had very few bad things ever to say about vladimir putin. so far, it's been mostly words, you know? the russians are pretending to be all offended by him calling putin a killer, but this is useful for the russians domestically. they like this. they're having a good time with this on state tv. this doesn't hurt them in the slightest. and they know that the actions that the biden administration have taken so far don't hurt them either. the question is whether the biden administration will actually take actions or whether it will only be atmospherics in the way biden is trying to draw a contrast with president trump. the sanctions put on so far in response to the navalny poisoning targeted russian officials' assets and travel who probably don't have any assets here and don't travel here and the russians aren't exactly hurting from those. the question is whether they're going to go further. the biden administration is saying that they are going to. there are hints they may try to take actions against those who have been cooperating with the construction of a major energy pipeline, for instance. it's possible they might do something in the cyber sphere in response to solar winds that would be consequential but so far right now, it's mostly words and not deeds. >> but i guess the broader point, ben rhodes, is for the last four years, there were neither deeds nor words, and the words were all about how strong vladimir putin was, how handsome he was, and how tall he was. i mean, it was ludicrous. we had a president who was a fanboy of a man my old boss, john mccain, called a murderous thug. it seems that the deeds and the words we have heard are still a dramatic departure from trump's russia policy. >> no, i think it's night and day and underscores just how bizarre it was to have an american president cozying up to putin like that, and what is so, i think, assuring about this, nicole, is it's just honest. the guy is a killer. like, people have been killed in multiple countries very likely on his orders, and he recently poisoned his leading opposition figure in the country. and that, to me, does highlight the vulnerability here. if vladimir putin wasn't worried about his own domestic standing, why would he be so concerned about alexey navalny that he was poisoned and thrown in prison on trumped up charges. why is he throwing this can tantrum? it could be because he's concerned about other options the u.s. has. peter mentioned cybers and sanctions. i'm sanctioned by russia, i have no rubles, i have no plans to travel. i think what putin might be concerned about is the biden administration is more forthright about vladimir putin's corruption, that like alexey navalny might publish that vladimir putin is corrupt and has stolen from the russian people. i think that would hit closer to home for vladimir putin. >> you know, peter, i take your point about words and not deeds yet, but if you just take "the new york times" body of reporting on trump's acquiescence to not just the niceties to go to helsinki, kick everybody out, and then take putin aside against u.s. intelligence agencies to go on tv and disavow that reporting that was in intelligence briefs and reported by your paper and others about bounties placed on the heads of american soldiers to tell jonathan swan of axios, no, no. there is a, maybe not tangible or measurable sort of bucket of latitude, and i wonder, with your knowledge of that region and the american presidency, if you could just speak to the correlation between putin's conduct over the last four years, the poisoning of dissidents and the treatment of people that he saw as a threat to his tight grip, and donald trump's presidency. there has to be a correlation between how much rope he thought he had. >> well, no question that putin has gotten away with an awful lot in the last four years. you could argue he's gotten away with a lot over the last 20 years. but certainly you had a president -- >> we lost peter baker. there he is. >> i'm here. sorry. that was probably my internet. that's probably the russians interfering right there. but look, you know, putin, i think -- >> exactly. >> -- got away with an awful lot. there's no question that the president's rhetoric over the last four years, putting aside any actions, again, there were some actions taken by his administration that he didn't personally claim a lot of responsibility for, but his words gave the impression that he didn't care too much when putin violated international standards and norms. there's no question that a president's words do matter. a president of the united states sets a tone, sets a, you know, a moral standard by which not just the united states government follows but our allies across the world. you know, if the -- if american president is condemning a russian president's violations, it forces europeans to take that on. it forces our allies in different parts of the world to confront those questions as well. the question, again, will be what biden goes further in this and i don't know what he will do. i'm not sure he necessarily knows what he wants to do because he doesn't want to have an outright new confrontation with russia. he did just extend the new start treaty, for instance, but he obviously wants to draw a stark contrast with president trump, and he's not going to play the kind of, you know, the nice language, the buddy-buddy attitude that president trump seemed to -- for so long. >> and i'm guessing that we won't find him translator-less cozying up to him at big summit dinners. peter baker, ben rhodes, thank you so much for spending time with us today. when we return, big trouble ahead, huge for donald trump's empire as the pandemic he failed to contain and the riot he incited are wreaking havoc on his businesses. that's next. eaking havoc on his businesses that's next. we look up to our heroes. idolizing them. mimicking their every move. and if she counts on the advanced hydration of pedialyte when it matters most... so do we. hydrate like our heroes. ♪♪ we are hoping things will pick up by q3. yeah...uh... hydrate like our heroes. doug? 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someone who knows the answers to these questions, our friend tim o'brien, senior columnist for bloomberg opinion. so it strikes me and you and donald trump had to settle this in court, that he's always been sensitive to the notion that he wasn't as wealthy as he said he was and that he was super duper over leveraged. how do those two sort of long dynamics factor into the current crises? >> well, anybody who has a credit card and puts too much money on their credit card and doesn't have enough income coming in to pay it off each month knows what that's like on a very small level. trump is just a grand mal version of that problem and he's done this his entire life, nicole. he's binged on debt like it's a buffet meal at an all-night diner. he has never been able to be disciplined about borrowing money. he has flirted with personal bankruptcy in the past. he almost went broke in the early 1990s because he guaranteed $900 million of over $3 billion he couldn't pay back. you know, he said to me once, we were at mar-a-lago, and he said, you know, the one thing my father said to me that i never listened to was you shouldn't personally guarantee anything. and that was the mistake i made in the early '90s. well, lo and behold, it turns out now that he has personally guaranteed nearly $600 million of well over a billion dollars in debt he has, he's got assets that are worth about $2 billion. he is not going to go broke, but he is under a lot of pressure. 75% of what he has is in urban real estate. urban real estate has been creamed by the coronavirus, and it's not clear yet whether or not once we get past this apocalypse how -- what people's appetites are going to be for going back to office spaces, and that's going to really affect him. everything else he has, the golf, much of that is window dressing around his wealth. he could write books again, but as you and i both know, my friend, you don't become a billionaire or stay a billionaire by writing books. and he's going to -- he's going to need bankers to come to his rescue, and he will probably need sovereign wealth funds overseas to come to his rescue, which raises all of these issues we've talked about in the past about him being a national security threat and why he courted foreign powers so assiduously during his presidency. >> and you -- you can argue the case for why the russians or some others would invest in him on his way up, but he's very clearly on his way back down. can you talk about sort of the combination and the deterioration of his brand in the wake of the deadly insurrection and his role in inciting it? >> well, you know, he always -- you know, his brand was always about people who aspire to be wealthy. he never really, you know, he never really catered to authentically affluent people who were established and wanted to live above it all. he has always tried to cater to aspirational people, and the fact that donald trump fomented an insurrection, undermined democracy, and incited people to attack the capitol on national television has blown up that part of his business. hanging the trump shingle on a myriad number of products like he used to do is not going to be a turnkey solution for him. what will be is political fund-raising. we've already seen him be scammy around that with his legal defense fund. i assume he will continue to do that to raise short-term cash. but none of that's going to be enough money to get him out of his problems. >> yeah, i mean, pre-insurrection but post-refusal to concede the election he lost very clearly, close friend of his said he's just raising money for his own legal fights to come, which are going to consume him. i want to ask you what you think is going on with allen weisselberg and his daughter-in-law now cooperating with cy vance's investigation. you understand the trump organization. what would she and he be able to navigate for investigators? >> well, i think, you know, allen weisselberg is donald trump's accountant. he knows where all the financial bodies are buried. at one point, trump's son and his daughter-in-law, who you mentioned, lived gratis in a trump condominium. i think that's probably what she has around that. it's a vulnerability for trump. it would -- it possibly amounts to tax fraud if that wasn't properly accounted for as compensation. that's some of the small bore stuff, i think, around her. allen weisselberg himself is the key to a whole universe of problems revolving around insurance fraud, bank fraud, tax fraud, falsification of business records. there could be a -- a kaleidoscope of fraud problems in that organization, and allen weisselberg has been very loyal to donald trump and the trump family for decades, and he has stood -- pushed back when there's been outside investigations. the danger here for trump now is that allen weisselberg flips, and everyone who works for donald trump knows that loyalty is a one-way street with him. he has never been authentically loyal to anyone but himself and if push comes to shove in this vance investigation, you can expect people, i think, like weisselberg, if they're under threat of going to jail themselves, of flipping. >> we will keep watching. tim o'brien, thank you so much for spending some time with us. when we return, the long, challenging, uneven, bumpy road back to normal in the classroom and on the basketball court as march madness begins, one like no other gets under way. that story's next. e like no other gets under way. that story's next. ♪ ♪ we made usaa insurance for veterans like martin. when a hailstorm hit, he needed his insurance to get it done right, right away. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa (deborah vo) i was hesitant to get the hearing aids because of my short hair, but nobody even sees them. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. 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>> sure, nicole, and by the way, i'm very torn about this issue because it is really important that we get back to some sense of normalcy. we've been doing some informal polling of people to see what -- not public health experts but just the general population, what are you looking for to give you a sign we're getting back to normal, a lot of people saying, i just want to hug my grandchildren or go to the theater and a lot of people saying they want to get back to the sporting events that they love. and i agree with that very much. on the other hand, it's a little bit like we're playing some kind of pandemic whack-a-mole because we have kids going down -- rushing down to florida and other places for spring break. we had a duke fraternity party gone awry and 180 people testing positive. so, you know, it's just the half of me that's the public health guy says, i wish we would have waited another year and i understand the economic consequences and the emotional consequences, but this is a hell of a challenge here. we got to figure out -- and they have been working hard on this. how to keep people separated, how to keep them safe between the actual game time, which is about 40 minutes of actual game time per game. and those players have to be protected. all the staff have to be protected. they're going to have 25% occupancy in the stands. that's good. will all these pieces fit together? i guess we'll just have to wait and see. if i was the king of sports, i'd probably say wait a here but i do understand the pressures not to and it's just something we're going to hope for the best and it's just a heck of a lot better than having these kids by the thousands and thousands going out to party on the beach in ft. lauderdale. >> i mean, i guess you're raising a bigger question. i mean, should we be conveying the need for remaining in more of a shutdown posture until we're all vaccinated? >> well, you know, on a pure public health platform, i'm saying, yeah, we should wait more. we should wait until we get the 70%, 75% of the population vaccinated. and in the meantime, we should really be adhering pretty strictly to the guidelines for keeping our masks on and keeping distance and so on, nicole, because look, if we don't suppress the transmission of the virus, we're going to have pockets of virus festering in various places. we don't want these games to become super spreader events. because the more we have festering viruses, the more we'll allow them to reproduce rapidly and develop the variants and mutations that we're worried about. so, you know, in some ways, i really do wish we had some more patience and could tolerate these inconveniences more than we are. i know they're more than an inconvenience and i know i'm going to get tweets about this, but they do -- -- they are the blood for many, many colleges and universities. but it is life and death we're talking about. so i err on the side of more strin againsy and control. >> we still don't have kids back in classrooms and we're talking about sporting events. do you think we have a failure to prioritize that which is truly essential? >> you know, the first problem with the pandemic are the deaths and the illness. the second is the economy, which is being addressed by the american rescue act plan. but the next issue to deal with and the highest priority for me other than those two things is getting children back to school. we're going to have an unbelievable challenge trying to get children who may not have been doing so well before the pandemic who lost a year of school back. if we don't do a good job, we will have a generation of children that will fail to meet academic expectations, graduate on time and get a job they would like to have later on. so this is a land mine for later problems. and the school for k through 12 is absolutely critical. we should have been prioritizing this a long time ago, and we seem to have taken it a lot more casually than i would have preferred, nicole. this is really a major issue, of course. >> we'll continue the call on you as that process moves forward in many parts of the country. thank you so much for spending some time with us. when we return, as we do every day, we will remember lives well-lived. ber lives well-lived ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music) ♪ ♪ comfort in the extreme. the lincoln family of luxury suvs. this is how you become the best! ♪“you're the best” by joe esposito♪ ♪ [triumphantly yells] [ding] don't get mad. get e*trade. good morning, mr. sun. good morning, blair. 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