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"morning joe" starts right now. >> a group of former presidents took out a psa. it is weirdly kind of fun to see them all together. . >> this vaccine means hope. it will protect you and those you love from this dangerous and deadly disease. >> i'm really looking forward to going to opening day texas rangers stadium with a full stadium. . >>st i want to go back to work and i want to be able to move around. >> as you know, we just came out with a fragrance, success by trump and it's sold at macy's. . >> get vaccinated. >> if you put it on, anything you want will come true. >> finally found a way to unload that hydroxycholoroquine. >> it's so him. okay. >> it fits right in. . >> it is that close to true. 6. >> it actually is true. >> he should have done the whole bleaches and everything, willie. that was good. >> oh, my god. okay. good morning and welcome -- >> we talked about george w. about issue with the guns yesterday. sources close to the president says there has been some work there. just wanted to say that before we get rolling. >> thanks. >> w. put down his paint brushes and he's in the gym. >> yeah. a little of both. >> he's getting buff. >> okay. all right. welcome to "morning joe". it's friday. it's march 12th. >> let me just say i speak for myself but i know i speak for myself and willie and the rest of america, we miss w. >> along with joe willie and me, white house reporter for "the associated press", jonathan lemire, pulitzer prize columnist and political analyst eugene robinson is with us. former chief of staff, she worked for the biden campaign and inaugural committee and back here on "morning joe" with us. back on the team. >> and i want to be clear, willie, when i say we miss w., i don't want people to get mad at you and tweet at me. i'm talking about he goes to china and he tries to open the door and he can't open it. . >> somebody locked the door on him. >> he's just a funny guy. he was fun. >> okay. we have a lot to get to in addition to biden's address to the nation last night. new york state lawmakers open impeachment inquiry into governor andrew cuomo. what's next for the governor now that more members of his own party are turning against him. plus, new fall outfrom the deadly riot on capitol hill. chris miller says he believes trump's speech the morning of january 6th was responsible for inciting the mob that attacked the capitol later that day. in you know, big news on both of those. but i'll tell you what, gene robinson, i had been thinking because it's what we learned, if you're a chief executive, the charges can come at you. donald trump had 21, 22 charges of sexual harassment coming at him. other politicians have. and if you're in public office, usually you weather that storm. again, we have been talking about all the details later. boy, that breaking news yesterday that somebody accused him of sexual assault but wouldn't go to the police and the office had to actually report it to the albany police. going to be hard to see how he survives that one. >> his response was he never did anything like that. but without going into any sort of specifics, specific interactions that could have been that, it makes it difficult for him. still, you know, someone is going to have to make him resign. i'm still not clear anyone could do that. he could make an announcement that he is not running for re-election could lower the temperature. i don't think i'm putting money on him resigning yet at this point. he seems to be really dug in. >> we'll have more reporting from al bone in just a moment. the first primetime address last night by president biden where he identified two key dates in the battle against coronavirus. he directed states to make all adults eligible for the vaccine by may 1. if all goes well, small groups could gather again on the fourth of july. . >> when i came into office, you may recall i set a goal many of you said was way over the top. i said i intended to get 100 million shots in people's arms in my first 100 days in office. i can say tonight we're not only going to meet that goal, we're going to beat that goal. we are on track to reach 100 million shots in arms on my 60th day in office. no other country in the world has done this. none. i promise i will do everything in my power. i will not relent until we beat this virus. but i need you, the american people, i need you. i need every american to do their part. that is not hyperbole, i need you. i need you to get vaccinated when it's your turn and when you can find an opportunity. and to help your family, your friends, your neighbors get vaccinated as well. because here's the point. if we do all this, do our part, if we do this together, by july 4th, there is a good chance you, your family and friends will be able to get-together in your backyard and have a cookout and barbecue and separate independence day. that doesn't mean large events with lots of people together, but it does mean small groups will be able to get together. after this long, hard, year that will make this independence day something truly special where we not only mark our independence as a nation but we begin to mark our independence from this virus. >> the administration will develop new tools to make it easier to get the vaccine and to find where you can get it with a new website. he said new guidance is on the way to clarify what exactly fully vaccinated people can and cannot do. mika, the two dates put on the calendar by the president were the headline that by may 1st he is directing all states to make all adults eligible for the vaccine and that perhaps if we do everything right and we work together, the fourth of july could begin to look like something more normal than it's been for at least the last year. >> also the centralized website where people can get information on their vaccine. he pointed out caveats with the different strains of the virus. it is important everyone gets vaccinated as quickly as possible. this is also a global issue. it could become complicated. we could backtrack. adrienne el rod, he is looking to independence day as a day of freedom from this virus. how do you think the president did? >> oh, he was just extraordinary, mika. i'm not just saying because i worked on his campaign. i truly believe there is not anyone better to be in the white house now for this monumental moment. you contrast what we heard him say last night with his predecessor, how his predecessor and administration handled this virus. it's night and day in comparison. since joe biden has taken the helm of the white house, his team has gone together and they have created an ambitious plan to get people vaccinated. frankly, it's working. we are seeing tens of thousands every day being vaccinated. that was not the case under trump. we didn't feel we had the faith and confidence in donald trump to actually get that done. so, you know, i give his team all the accolades for creating this ambitious plan and actually seeing it through, implementing it. and i don't know about you, mika, but i certainly would love to be gathered with my family on july 4th outside or wherever it might be. and i think that's a goal that we can all look toward. and i like the way we framed it last night. he tried to put this in terms we all understand, wanting to get-together with our family and friends but he also put the onus on the american people saying i need you to step up and get vaccinated. i need you to tell your family and friends. let's all do our part. he took ownership. he also made sure that the american people knew they had something to give to this to make sure they are doing their part as well. >> and i know we talk about this a lot, joe, as it pertains to joe biden. it was the first time in a long time in a presidential address we saw at the very beginning a great deal of empathy for every life that was life and every family that has lost someone. >> a great deal of empathy. there were two parts of this speech that it was -- that i was wondering about. i thought he delivered it very well. you're right. the empathy shown was something that helped set up the speech and sell the speech for the most part. the first thing when he was talking about vaccinations, where he could find them, i think it's just ptsd from the health.com or whatever. >> right. >> and he started to say and what i'm going to do. i was saying don't set up a website, don't set up a website. and he said i'm going to set up a website. >> i said the same thing. they're going to work! . >> willie, i'm just curious what you thought. so i respect the president. and doctors and scientists being conservative with a small c. i totally get it. i'm not so sure, though, that most americans will buy july 4th for the small groups getting together. texas rangers are selling 100% of their seats. baseball season starts in, well, of course globally people look to the date where the red sox first go on the field at fenway. that's april 1st. we hope that day wasn't selected for any purpose, april fools' day. what you and i always say when we are wrestling cattle, that horse is out of the barn. by july 4th -- >> unless of course there's a resurgence. . >> i did think it was too conservative. people are going to be once these vaccines are flying off the shelf, a lot of americans are going to be getting out. and it's not going to be cooking a hot dog with cousin jeff and judy. >> one of the questions is if i got the vaccine, why can't i go out and live my life. and if everybody has the vaccine, why can't everybody go out and live their life. you're right, there has to be some explanation. i don't know how you contain people at that point. if the vast majority has been vaccinated, a small gathering, does that mean 10 people, we're not having our town fireworks? why not? one point i would make is this administration has underpromised and overdelivered. so maybe that's what they are doing here. he said hopefully by july we will have enough dose to get everybody vaccinated. maybe he is setting that small group marker and will blow past that too. jonathan lemire, you were at the white house all day yesterday covering the speech. let's talk about the approach that the president took yesterday. i think a lot of people, as mika pointed out, noted first the contrast for what we have seen the last four years in information in reliance on empathy. making it a group effort for the country and not the man delivering the speech. in willie, no question about that. i was in the eastern last night when the president spoke. he had a tricky balancing act here, and he pulled it off well is the sense. he first indeed wanted to convey a somber note, that it has been a year since this nation has been in various states of lockdown. last night he made sure to mark what we have all been through. it was to inject notes of hope to, as you said, indeed, to underpromise and overdeliver. that has been their guiding ethos since coming into office. i look forward to spending july 4th with you and your cousin jeff. the president hit cautious notes about, look, there is still -- there are stim variants. there is a chance for resurgence. we can't celebrate just yet. but they feel very good where they are. the trick now is to get americans to take it. there is a hesitancy among a swath of the population. that is a challenge on the horizon. we will hear more today about this. because with the covid relief bill signed into law, they have the tools to really make this happen and help americans who need it. . >> yeah. and of course you can be the front yard eating the hot dog, willie in the back having a hamburger. you can communicate by mr. microphone. socially distance. everything will be fine. mr. robinson, the challenge is getting enough people to take the vaccines. there's skepticism, not only in communities of people of color, there's a lot of skepticism among former donald trump supporters, people who voted for donald trump, that's 75 million people, the anti-vaxxer movement. now the real challenge is going to be are americans going to get the vaccination that's going to help us reopen at 100%. >> and prevent resurgence. . >> and are we going to be smart enough in a way that doesn't cause a resurgence. >> that's a big question. the polling that i looked at, the numbers that have jumped out at me really are the numbers of self-identified republicans who say they don't want to take the vaccine. and it would help the nation i think if a prominent republican officials would join in and add their voices to those saying it's important to take a vaccine, safe and effective. the more people take the vaccine, the quicker we will all get back to normal. that said, i guess i'm more optimistic than a lot of folks might be. i think you have seen numbers of people hesitant among african-americans and other groups. you have seen the numbers come down over time. they start inevitably moving back into something more like normal life, not going hog wild but being able to do things or feeling able to do things they weren't able to do before. i think the president will sort of radically, i hope he would radically overpromise talking about small groups on july 4th. i agree with you, we'll be much more ready for a public july 4th than that. he has consistently underpromised. that seems to be the technique he wants to stick with. so i'm pretty optimistic. >> yeah. i mean, it's a big difference from the former guy who used to overplay everything and come up completely short in the negative direction actually where joe biden, the president, is making sure he is setting benchmarks and exceeding them. ahead of the president's primetime address last night, he signed the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill into law. >> this historic legislation is about rebuilding the backbone of this country and giving people, working people, middleclass folks, people who built the country a fighting chance. that's what the essence of it is. >> the biden administration says some americans will see the latest round of stimulus checks as early as this weekend. later today, the president will mark the passage of the relief bill with remarks in the rose garden. 17 members of congress have been invited to the event, all democrats, since no republicans voted in support of the measure. what? okay. >> only 76% of americans voted for the bill. >> so definitely vote against it and votens it forever. the things in your war chest on the wrong side of history. next week president biden will tour across the country. if you see how many people like the bill, adrienne, explain the strategy to travel the country and sell the bill, so to speak. . >> yeah. it's remarkable 75% of americans support this bill but one republican did not sign onto the passage. it's quite extraordinary. that being said, the biden administration is not taking anything for granted. they are going out there, he's going on the road, the vice president is going on the road. they are deploying cabinet secretaries, white house senior staff, of course using surrogates, influencers on social media to really sell the importance of this bill and how this is going to deliver for the american people. this white house has made it very clear that some of the senior members of this team were in the obama administration when there were a couple pieces of landmark legislation that didn't quite -- what that white house didn't quite sell effectively to the american people. even though this bill is extremely popular among democrats and republicans and independents, they are taking nothing for granted. they are going to explain in simple terminology how this is going to affect the american people. they are going to see this in the form of stimulus checks. they don't have joe biden's name on them, unlike his predecessor. they want to make it khraoer this is meant for a lot more than that. they have a story to tell. . they want people to understand what this is going to do for them and why this is so significant. >> joyous news as well and a sign many are moving past the pandemic already. after the boston red sox last year brought up a lot of -- i've got to say, a lot of pitchers, the best jv pitchers on pensacola click high school, some were a to throw 74-mile-per-hour fast balls. e. rod was out and completely dominant. this after getting covid last spring. . >> joe, i was concerned as you were last august which when we turned to mike barnicle to pitch a couple games against the tigers. it is a good sign. his long term health will be monitored. a scary heart situation, one of the lesser known side effects. he looked good yesterday. it was good to see. some they are hopeful for. they hope to get chris sale back in july. the yankees, who after garrett cole, it is staff put together by duct tape and safety pens. >> sad. >> pitchers who haven't thrown an inning since 2011 or known to have high upside but extraordinarily low floor. >> if we get chris sale by the fourth of july we can expect at least one, two good outings from before his arm completely falls off again. willie, talking about mike barnicle last august pitching against the tigers, it was just one of those moments. he really surprised fans, halfway took out a smoke, started smoking, like they did in the old days. . >> at the end of his career, he was throwing the 41-mile-per-hour knuckleball. put mike out there. he will get you some outs. garrett cole looked good. five strikeouts, jonathan. . >> whatever. >> we think we can. we think we can. adrienne, i know you want to talk baseball, but i'm just curious, what do you think is next for the biden white house. is the next battle hr-1? . >> yeah. i think the next battle is hr-1. we want to make sure they are doing everything to combat some of the efforts by republican state legislators to, you know, disenfranchise voters. but, look, this was a very monumental piece of legislation just signed into law. now they have to pass the things that we have been wanting to get passed for years, like an infrastructure plan. you all certainly remember when we had quote-unquote infrastructure week under donald trump. every kwraoer there would be a week to speak on infrastructure, and trump would do something to derail that. the biden administration wants to make sure they are getting done the things the american people expect them to do, building our roads and highways and getting people back to work by creating those types of jobs. they have a lot of work in front of them for sure. i don't think we should detract from the fact that this is such a huge week for the administration, passing such a landmark bill which will do so much for the american people. . >> a landmark bill with 75% is certainly something. >> adrienne, thank you for being on the show. we will see you soon. still ahead on "morning joe", senate majority heard chuck schumer will be our guest. 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he doesn't strike most people as someone who would resign. he said he's not going to resign. but the accusations mount and the pressure mounts. it's coming from democrats in the state assembly. >> right. and we have been speaking to dozens of lawmakers. and every time there is a new allegation, a lot of them are really concerned. they're worried these allegations are painting, you know, perhaps a picture of abuse of power. the governor has denied many of the allegations but acknowledged there's some sort of inappropriate behavior that made others uncomfortable. he said he didn't intend to make anyone uncomfortable. they are feeling pressure from constituents to act and they are also facing pressure too. >> tom winter, i also think what we are seeing here in these allegations are different patterns. they are the line of discussion that the governor is alleged to have made, or even checking the phone. how much do you think those patterns play into try ig to put a case together? . >> when you look at this, mika, and you saw what was the image in the "new york times" story earlier this week of someone who didn't work for governor cuomo who was approached at a wedding and he has his hands around her face and she looks completely horrified, so rarely do we get an image of a moment when we talk about these types of sexual harassment or worst cases. when we see that type of image, talk about speaking a thousand words. so when you look at a pattern of that and you have people come forward that aren't just in his office. theres no presumed presumed cudgel there. it was not somebody upset about a promotion in an office. they said this was the governor's behave. kim is thorough. they set up a website to contact them by text, email, voice mail. this is a professional investigation. and the patterns of this don't look particularly good for the governor at this point. >> gene, jump in. . >> tom, what is the end product of this investigation? are they looking to produce a report at the end? laying out the truth. or is this an investigation that is designed potentially to see whether any charges should be filed? >> we will definitely get a final report. it will be made public. whether or not the governor is still in office. i think that's important. we're going to find out what the truth was here and that these attorneys and the people in the attorney general's office were able to find in the course of their investigation. that's number one. number two, with respect to any criminal charges, i think the issue for the governor's office at this point extends beyond just the allegations of sexual harassment. in at least one instance, it extends into whether proper state law was filed when someone brings a sexual harassment complaint. there may be indications that that didn't happen. time will tell. as soon as an employer in new york state hears an allegation of sexual harassment, it is supposed to be looked into immediately. there are a host of laws and procedures that are supposed to be followed. someone may have just been transferred to another part of new york state government. that's a problem. those type of things need to be looked at. obviously, if there's any sort of criminal violations, in some instances the attorney general's office can go after that themselves. they may have to refer it to the local district attorney of wherever applicable in the jurisdiction where the crime occurred. that is further down the road because of what we know examine what we don't know at this point. but it is certainly possible. >> there are parallel scandals here for the governor. we have been talking about the sexual that lassment claims, but also the nursing home deaths. to take people out of hospitals and put them in nursing homes and underreporting the number of deaths by this administration in nursing homes. how much trouble is the governor in separate and apart from sexual harassment claims. >> there is definitely a lot of concern about how the administration had for months declined to reveal how many nursing home residents died of covid. that is a big pressure point for a lot of republicans. they will look at that as well. the governor is facing federal scrutiny into the data issue. when it comes to the march 25th order, his administration has tried to quash criticism of it by pointing out it is perhaps unlikely most hospital patients would still have been contagious by the time they returned to the nursing home. there are still a lot of questions and a lot of anger out there and folks who want to know, well, did it worsen any outbreak. >> yeah. the ap's marina villenuev. sticking with politics, joining us now chief washington correspondent for "the new yorker", jane mayer with breaking news about manhattan d.a. cyrus vance jr. what do you have? >> he told me he is not seeking re-election and his term ends december 31st. >> wow. >> so the person leading the biggest case investigating donald trump is going to not likely preside over any trial, if there is one. it also comes at a time when the investigation seems to really be heating up in a sense. it means whoever is going to take over is not yet known. >> jonathan lemire is with us and has a question. >> talk to us, if you will, about the continuation. what will that mean? there's a lot of course national interest in the potential of these investigations into the trump organization, his businesses. what is the trickle down effect? will it speed things up, slow things down walk us through what the next steps might be. >> it seems that vance brought in people who will help with continuity. he has been a special assistant d.a. and someone who had experience prosecuting mob cases, other cases, and very highly skilled white collar defense lawyer with a big law firm in new york. so he will probably stay on people think. vance has brought in an extremely accomplished forensic accounting firm that will look at the tax returns that have been given over to vance's office. they were recently received. the supreme court upheld their subpoena and said they could have all of these records that trump has been hiding all of these years. it puts on some pressure to wrap up the investigation as quickly as they can. they expect that to happen by the end of this year. . >> this started for the manhattan d.a.'s office in 2018 with the alleged hush money payment to stormy daniels through michael cohen and the rest of it but has expanded to something much bigger since. what all are they looking into at this point. >> the best we can figure out and what we have done is try to follow the subpoenas in this case. it has expanded beyond hush money payments, it expanded beyond manhattan and looking at the broader parts of the trump empire. this is an investigation looking at his properties. we are talking about his seven springs properties. indications they are looking into real estate deals in chicago. it has expanded. really the core of this investigation and you can talk about different properties and ten cals of it. the core of this investigation is whether or not there was insurance fraud, tax fraud or bank fraud here. what would the representations of the trump administration and the president made to banks at the same time he was filing his taxes. do those things match up? were there discrepancies. ? did he skirt paying taxes? those are the issues being looked at here and the concerns. whenever someone is appointed like mark pomerance. i look at what they did as a defense attorney. when you look at financial crimes, security fraud. okay. how can i build my case. what are the building blocks. i look at the experience of how can they attack that evidence. and he's going to know how this will be looked at by the president's attorneys if there are charges. he will know how other people might look at those particular pieces of evidence or witness testimony. mark pomerance in this investigation speaks to the level of the investigation. . >> outside of cy vance, we've got new york state attorney general. are there any other jurisdictions that he's got to be worried about? >> i think long term are there any particular concerns in florida with any properties there? will that get swept up in the attorney general letitia james, as you suggested, joe, is looking at this. we know her investigation from court filings and trying to get eric trump to testify or sit for a deposition rather that that investigation also goes coast to coast. right now that's believed to be civil in nature. she may have to refer out any criminal elements to district attorneys. we are talking about cy vance with his own case anyway. we will have to see where the cases go. he faces obviously civil litigation concerns with respect to allegations made by women in his past. that's a separate manner. the big iceberg in front of him is definitely this investigation by manhattan district attorney cy vance. >> tom winter, thank you so much. and jane mayer, thank you as well. the new piece posted moments ago on the new yorker website. coming up, a lot more ahead. chuck schumer and chris coons. and is congress willing to tackle it? 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>> well, i've got to say michigan. they look likely to be the number one seed. although they haven't ended the season on the best note. but they are clearly one of the, in my opinion, one of the four best teams in the country. i have to go with them. joe, the dream died yesterday with the commodores ending their season. i'm going with the i lie nye. i'm totally biased. my parents went there, they met there. i've been a fan my whole life. gonzaga will go into the tournament undefeated. the question remains when they play in that conference that, schedule, does it measure up? win it all, this could be the year for them. but i'm going with illinois. . >> it has been such a strange year for college basketball. jonathan lemire, no duke, no kentucky. the jam with big ten teams. boy, a real shakeup in the age of covid for college basketball. >> yeah, certainly. and, joe, no one of course cheers for a covid diagnosis. we hope all involved is okay. they had to withdraw from the acc tournament because they had a positive case. it is going to be a different run. gonzaga goes in probably as the favorite. it should be fun. it's a moment now where the nation here, we have some hope in the air and having a communal thing to watch and cheer the ncaa tournament i think will be a lot of fun. it will be a good distraction here for what we hope is the final stages of this pandemic with opening day around the corner. >> all right. by the way, gene robinson, thank you for being on this morning. still ahead, form -- >> wait a minute. can we go back to gene. i haven't done this enough. >> i can't get through a sentence, can i? 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without the president's speech? i think it is pretty much definitive that wouldn't have happened. so yes. >> the question is did he know that he was enraging the crowd to do that? i don't know. >> that was former acting secretary of defense under president trump, chris miller, telling vice on showtime that he believes former president donald trump's speech on january 6th was responsible for the mob attacking the capitol later that day. that's a big one. joe, what do you think, actually, before we launch, when you look at this interview. there are so many reasons we can't forget what happened there. there have been things like tiger woods' accident has been more vetted out than this in terms of causation. i know the fbi is arresting people. but still donald trump and many of his cronies refuse to admit they had anything to do with this. >> well, there was donald trump's man at the pentagon, the person he put in place after he fired secretary esper. and you had his hand-picked person at the pentagon who concerned a lot of people and had dick cheney and 6th other secretary of defense staying they needed to stay out of any political disputes. but you had chris miller saying that the riots, the seditions, the insurrection would not have happened but for donald trump's speech. that's the legal but for test that we keep talking about. >> yeah. >> but for an actor in an incident, would that have occurred, would the riots have occurred. willie, there's just no doubt. there is nobody who could seriously say that those riots, the sedition against the united states of america the death of all of those people. the death of the police officers, nobody can say that would not have happened but for donald trump's speech, but for donald trump telling the mob to go up to the capitol, but for donald trump watching gleefully crushing police officers' heads and gleefully watching and not tweeting to tell the rioters, to tell his terrorists to stop. >> and not just on that day. so many people have than one speech and tried to parse out every word and said, no, we told them to be peaceful. we are talking about the pattern that led up to that day. the speech on that day, yes, he did say be strong, show strength. he tweeted before that, though, it's going to be wild on january 6th. the underlying theme was that the election was stolen from them and they ought to take it back. another line of questioning, and perhaps it was in the vice interview, i haven't seen the whole thing, was on the delay of the national guard, which is what we heard about last week in senate testimony from the commander of the d.c. national guard. that he couldn't get an answer for hours about why he wasn't deployed. it is good that the acting secretary said trump had a hand in this. what happened on that day? more questions from him to come. >> and that video, donnie deutsche, we see pictures in that video at the bottom of the screen of a terrorist beating a police officer on the head with an american flag, all trump supporters. donald trump trying to lie saying it was antifa. and even kevin mccarthy screamed at him saying, no, these are your people, mr. president. who the hell do you think you're talking to. here is a police officer being beat over the head with an american flag. donnie, they are there for one reason. they are there because the president of the united states told them to go and do whatever it took to, to be strong, to stop the constitutional count. that is sedition. and his actions, his words, fascist. there's really no other description. >> that is sedition. history will read it that way. i am struck as i watch this 65 daysing auto, i don't want to do the transition for you but watching biden hraoepg in and giving a we and saying this is this is on us. reducing poverty, increasing income and health care, child care and this. this was a mere two months ago and how the entire tenor of this country has changed as we move from one president to the next. your stomach starts to turn when you see this. and i can't help contrast it with the feeling of peacefulness and calm and hope and optimism we saw last night. . >> these people wearing american flags. >> my god. >> these people carrying crosses, committing insurrection against the united states of america, in the name of god, of country, abusing and battering a police officer with an american flag, crushing a police officer's head inside of a door. it is disgraceful. it is shameful. it is unamerican. it is unpatriotic. and i think the fbi the fbi for doing their best to bring terrorists to justice. . >> we have also with us professor lyndon b. johnson school of public affairs, university of texas, sreur the tore ya defrancisco soto. and for real clear politics and "washington post" op-ed howard feinman. . >> and in his first primetime address, president biden identified two key dates in the battle against the coronavirus. he directed making all adults eligible for the vaccine by may 1st. if all goes well, he said it is possible that small groups could begin gathering again on the fourth of july, independence day. the administration will develop tools to make it easier to get a vaccine, including a website. he talked about the loss americans have had the last year and the need to pull together. >> we have lost so much over the last year. we have lost family and friends. we lost businesses and dreams we spent years building. we lost time. time with each other. and our children have lost too much time to friends, with schools. no graduation ceremonies this spring. no graduations from college, high school. there's something else we lost. we lost faith in whether our government, our democracy can deliver on hard things for the american people. but as i stand here tonight, we are proving once again something i have said time and time again. you will probably be hearing me say it. i said to foreign leaders and domestic alike, it's never, ever a good bet to bet against the american people. >> too often we have turned against each other. a mask. the easiest thing to do to save lives. sometimes it divides us. instead of working with each other. vicious hate crimes against asian americans who have been attacked, harassed, blamed and scapegoated. at this very moment so many of them, our fellow americans, they are on the front lines of this pandemic trying to save lives and still, still they are forced to live in fear just walking down streets in america. it's wrong. it's unperson. and it must stop. >> we know what we need to do for this virus. tell the truth. work with scientists. fulfill the most important function, protecting the american people. no function more important. it's us. all of us. we the people. . >> there was a lot in the speech. his first primetime address to the country. you couldn't help, though, as donnie said, think of the contrast to what could have been standing there, who could have been standing there and the contrast of the last four years. president biden talked about the violence against asian-americans and expressed empathy for the people over the last year. . >> in his speech he talked about that long walk that parents have to make up the stairs when they have lost their job and have to tell their kids they have to move, they have to leave because they can no longer afford to stay there. this is something joe biden went through. his own dad to h to tell his kids. that empathy we had not seen in many years for me was foundational here. aside from the fact that we have lost over half a million people to the coronavirus, aside from the fact that the heating of so many people have been impacted rbgt one of the largest effects of the pandemic has been job loss. we have seen close to 10 million american skwrbs lost. almost double what we saw after the great recession. when we're looking at the service industry, when we look at people of color, that number sky rockets. it's that understanding of i know what you are going through and we will get through this together. it indirectly provides hope for us going forward. >> we won't really dwell on it too much. you and i are older than most of the people on the set. we remember joe biden growing up. you and i remember joe biden blowing up in 1987, remember him being mocked and ridiculed for being hot-headed throughout his senate career. always ran too hot. we remember the stupid things he said in the 2008 campaign. he had great debate performances but still got 1%, 2%. when i was watching him last night, and i'm curious what you think, knowing about that rich history of his, i just thought for myself, my god, this is one of those moments in history when you have the right man for the right time at the raoeuplt stage in his life. and i'm not comparing biden to churchill. you know, before churchill said western civilization, one of his friends said when winston is right, he's right. and when he's wrong, my god. you could say that about joe biden now. the pitch seemed to be perfect for this guy. >> as you know, it is about timing and context. and leadership is too. this does seem to be the right moment for joe biden. and for several reasons. he viewed this as wartime. you mentioned church hill. well, for joe biden, i know from talking to close friends and aides and to him. franklin roosevelt is his hero. that's his model. he doesn't have the eloquence of roosevelt but he has the desire to get down to the guts of policy. he moved the picture in the oval office to position exactly opposite the resolute desk. he tells people that's his inspiration. that's number one. this is wartime. so the best qualities of joe biden have been brought out in wartime. widely ridiculed until he found his right moment. joe biden views the pandemic as war and himself as a wartime leader. so that's a couple parts. he's a working man, labor union democrat. and a lot of the bill has to do with that and direct relief. he's like a prime minister in that he is working with his own party to fashion a policy even if it's just going to win by one or two votes, they're the ruling government, so to speak. they're going to do it. and i know from talking to people who work on this plan with him, he spent hours and hours and hours with him individually, as a group, on the phone. i talked to one leader in congress who said they spent -- he brought up the most of this person brought up the most obscure possible part of the bill. joe biden knew all bit. he was on it. he knew the details. and he is empathetic. i describe him as the priest and the prime minister. he has the empathy. he has the feel for the suffering of average people. he really does. average people who had to lost their jobs. the dad lost the job and all that. he has the ability however loud he was giving speeches to know the details. he is the priest, the prime minister and the two of them came together beautifully last night. >> i will just say there is something about having a president, and of course they don't have to come from humble beginnings. fdr obviously a great president. t.r. a great president. jfk bent history, as bobby would say. bobby one of my political heroes. bobby kennedy. but there really is something about having a president that can talk about when his father had to come upstairs in scranton, pennsylvania, and tell them he lost his job and they were going to have to move. there is something about a president who can say to every gold star mother and father, i understand what you're going through right mao. i really do. and they know that unfortunately it's happened to joe biden three times in his life. . >> he ya. . >> for moments like these last night, it really that empathy is something the country so badly needs. . donnie, mika found a tweet last night. . >> i saw a lot like these. >> she sent it to me. it's from amy siskin who wrote, biden wasn't my first, second, third or fourth choice. but he has shown us he is the right person for this time and the challenges we now face. his first 50 days have been nothing short of remarkable. feeling grateful and hopeful tonight for the first time in a very long time. and remarkable, i must say, it's not hyperbole, to say that to say his first 50 days have exceeded i think almost everybody's expectations given the terrible transition, the fact that donald trump did not help him out. did not meet with him. the fact that he launched a riot against the united states government during that transition. joe biden and the team around him, have handled this time, these 50 days remarkably. and whether you like the bill or not, the bill that passed was nothing short of land work legislation, the most significant economic bill past the last 30, 40 years. . >> it is phenomenal to think about joe biden's first 50 days. what is even more phenomenal to think how the former guy and how a lot of people saw joe. he was sleepy joe. he is mojo joe now. to think about all of us, as we look back and before jim clyburn came forward. and he's sleepy, not mentally all there. he is turbo joe. he is mojo joe. it is really phenomenal to really think about what this guy has done in the entire tenor and the feeling of the country. sometimes you need to do it to really set up the contrast. and donald trump released -- the other guy released a statement about the covid bill. this will sum it up. just think about the tone of biden verses the tone of what we had. a statement by donald trump. hope that everyone remembers when they are getting covid-19, often referred to as china vaccine, if i wasn't president you wouldn't get this shot for five years at best and probably wouldn't be getting it at all. that was a short time ago that's what we were living on. and we have mojo joe instead of this horrific beast. i feel great. i sound so corny. i am so proud to be an american right now. we are in the game of fair playwright now. wherever you stand, you look back at the bill and whether you like everything in it or not, it's about fairness and about evening the score for those that need it. whenever you come from, that's a damn good thing. >> it's not just mojo joe, it's the organization he has put in place, the layers of talent, the people he put in place. it's all coming together at a time of need in this country. it's just such a relief after what this country has been through. the white house tweeted out a new video highlighting the resilience of the american people amid the pandemic. here's a portion of it. >> people return stronger and all the broken places. the country has been through so much. light at the end of this tunnel is sunshine. it's real. there's not a single crisis you ever faced that you have not been able to overcome and be stronger for having overcome it. victoria, that sounds reaganesque in its optimism. >> it does. we are desperately in need of. it is optimism based in truth. i remember around this time last year president trump said we will be through this by easter. i remember easter. we will all be out and about. he was trying to provide this optimism but it was baseless. this is firmly rooted in truth. one of the things lacking was bringing people on who knew what was happening in government structures. it is an optimism i can believe in. it is not an empty or false optimism. i can look to it and put money on it. >> yeah. and so what's next? what does the white house need to do next? what do the democrats need to do next? and i think really the more intriguing question is what are republicans going to do with this moment after saying no to a bill that three out of four americans support and looking like they are going to line up against a bill that most americans will support because it's about letting more americans vote. >> well, a couple things. any leader is judged by the standards they put forth for themselves. we're not saying joe biden, i'm calling him the prime minister. he is specific in the details. he can promising things here. any age can get a shot by may 1. i'm already firing up the grill for july 4th. they have to execute on that. mika is right, they have a terrific team. but they've got to execute on it. it will be great for the press to be back in a useful role of checking their performance. we've got to do that. they haven't done it all. they have to do it. as joe biden himself said, they have a lot to execute on. then the question is what do they push next in congress? i think it will probably be infrastructure from talking to congressional leaders. that's where they are headed next. that is more contentious. as for mitch mcconnell and the republicans, they've made their bet. they're saying that this is going to fail. this wartime leader is going to lose. that we're going to lose all the battles, that the economy is not going to do well. they're making a bet on the economy. they never understood the basic point that joe biden keeps making. it's really the reason why he won the election, you can't restore the vitality and the economy and the hope of america without curing the pandemic. mitch mcconnell and company are out in the woods right now. it really is they are in the minority. it is almost like a pa hrarment ear system we have right now. they are betting it's not going to work. we'll see. joe has to execute. they have to go forward to infrastructure and do a giant bill. they're going to do a lot of other ambitious things. in a way joe biden has edited out or is attempting to edit out a whole generation of the democratic party that was into making deals with the republicans and with the business community and so forth. joe will talk to them all. he's going to go his way because he has to keep the left wing of his party on board. he's part of it, by the way. he has transformed himself that you quoted amy sis kin earlier. he transformed himself into a far more activist -- that speech he gave last night was the most pro-government speech i have heard a democratic president give in recent decades. think about that. that's what he's doing. that's smart politics right now. what mitch is going to do, i don't know. they will call everybody socialists but i don't know if it will work. >> reps voted unanimously against i a bill with 75% of the public. let's talk about what's next with secretary of transportation pete buttigieg. before we look ahead to an infrastructure bill, let's talk about what's inside this massive bill for infrastructure. we had airlines, united and american airlines letting their furloughed employees know this week after the pass apbg of this bill, they could rip up the furloughs and they would be coming back to work. what does this new law do for transportation in this country? >> that's right. it felt really good to see messages going out to employees, saying you could tear up your furlough notice, we're going back to work. similarly on the amtrak side, they are already taking steps to add back routes that had to be cut because amtrak lost so much ridership. amtrak was running in the black for the first time in a long time before covid hit. it's been devastating. the american rescue plan makes sure we are literally back on track there. there's payroll support, support for employees, for transit agencies. in my view, it is directly connected to fighting covid. because people literally need to be able to physically get to where their medical care and vaccination sites are. a lot of transportation oriented. part of what the american rescue plan will do to pull us through this crisis. last night was just i think an extraordinary statement about what government is for. which is solving our problems and helping make it possible for us to thrive as a country. . >> you have gone into the d.o.t. and had a quick look under the hood. i'm curious, what are america's greatest infrastructure needs right now if there is a bill following up, what are some of the most important elements that need to be in that bill? >> well, there's a lot we've got to do to look to the future. think if americans could expect the same quality as passenger rail travel. think about what it will mean to this country when we have enough electric vehicle charging stations these incredible vehicles that detroit and other look makers are producing. it's not just the sizzling futuristic stuff. a lot of it is taking care of the basics. engineers came out again. we got a d plus in a lot of categories. we know there is an enormous backlog just in terms of roads and bridges. we have to fix as governor whitmer says, fix the damn roads. we know what happens when a bridge is in poor repair and allowed to stay that way. there is an enormous amount of work to be done. we have have to look to the future and taking care of what we've got with an eye toward climate, toward equity, and with an eye toward all the jobs we can create while also making it all safer. >> and paying for it and getting republicans on board for a massive infrastructure plan there are years ahead of work, possibly tens of thousands of jobs created. but it's got to be paid for. what are your thoughts for working with republicans to get a plan approved? >> i think it's no secret this will be the most challenging part of being this bipartisan. i'm talking to republicans in the house and senate just about every day. they are just as excited as the rest of the american people about what we can build, repair, what we can do for infrastructure. everybody here represents a home state or home district that needs the work. we have got to come to terms on how to pay for it. how much should be paid with revenue that is raised. and there are a lot of different ways to get at that. historically, for example, we mostly relied on the gas tax to fund our highways. it was never pegged to inflation. at best that's a medium term solution. unlike what was promised in the past about tax cuts for the healthy, when you make an investment in infrastructure, it really does pay for itself. it has a return on the investment. and i think that ought to be part of the math as we are thinking about the finances here. >> victoria, next question. >> secretary buttigieg, i want to build off mika's questions. i'm in a red state of texas. i can already hear the pushback on the infrastructure bill. and i know here in texas one of the main lines of that pushback is we can pay for it ourselves. we will build roads that pay for themselves through toll that we will take care of it, we don't want to rely on the government. we don't want to increase the deficit. especially in light of the rescue plan. so how do you talk to republican governors, republican counterparts that will be pushing back? >>ed the maintenance backlogs exists in texas just like it does in every part of the country. we need this. it doesn't take a lot of convincing for the american people. this is pothole season, especially as the weather warms up. anyone driving on roads knows we could be doing more as a country. frankly, texas is a great example of a place that really relies on quality infrastructure. you have those big stretches that need to be covered by good roads. by the way, i actually think texas is a place that would benefit enormously, economically from quality passenger rail as well. what i'm finding is the mayors see this by and large people you talk to see this. i think a lot more legislaors think this. we have to find the deal space where we can get something done. this is not a blue state thing. red states and blue states alike will benefit from better quality infrastructure. >> all right. before you go, how does the job feel, mayor pete, secretary pete? . >> i love my job. the work is so interesting. it's compelling. i'll tell you, this department is full of people who are here because they can in the work it is quiet satisfaction for people who work in the safety, which is the fundamental role of this department. in many ways a good day for us is when 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. >> well, we are certainly making progress, getting all teachers and school staff vaccinated is an important first step so they can feel safe at school. we've got to have covid testing in place to make sure we identify cases where they occur. and the cdc has put out clear guidance now to help schools figure out how to do masking, physical distancing and other procedures in the school building to keep things operating safely. i'm hopeful that president biden's goal will be accomplished relatively quickly this spring. >> senator coons, we had anthony fauci on when he said he agreed with the cdc guidelines. it is less likely for a child to get infected in the school than if they were in the community. how did he do everything to get them back in school in his first 100 days but also for school districts who may be dragging their feet. >> it is important to get kids back in schools. that's why the dramatic reopening in the american rescue plan is such a big deal. there's $170 billion in resources that will help schools purchase more ppe, implement cdc about how to open safely, and supply of vaccines to make sure educators, paraprofessionals, support staff are all vaccinated. everyone is eager for their children to go back to school. so many kids lost up to a year of learning as a result. aoeutdz hard enough to work by zoom. to learn by zoom as a young person, to miss the socialization, all the ways young people engage in learning and glowing in school, that's a real loss. that's why john king and i are working together for expansion of amer core to provide more staffing and resources to help safely reopen schools and address learning laws. . >> it's willie geist. i'll let you fill in some of the details. but i'm curious about your concerns over what we have seen the last year or so among young students. some haven't even checked in with their school the last year. and you think about what's happened over an entire year. from a mental health standpoint and social standpoint, what is your opinion on kids missing all of this time in the classroom? >> you're exactly right. it has been an equity disaster in schools. low income students, students of color less likely to have internet access, devices. there may be 3 million students who are disconnected from school. a significant number of students haven't logged in since last march. we have a study from mckenzie that suggests 6 to 12 months of lost learning for students of color. the failure rate in freshman english went up six-fold. we have a new study in boston for 11th and 12th graders, 40% are chronically absent, missing a ton of school. so we have a lot of work to do to address that. then we have the socio, mental health aspect from losing relationships with teachers and peers. we will launch a national tutoring core, to connect young people with mentors and help them make up ground academically but build powerful relationships to help them feel reconnected to school. >> senator coons, this is inside the covid relief package, the billion dollars is there. what happens from here? what do you want people to know who may want to get involved. >> three things. one important piece is the billion out of this whole american rescue plan is to improve the accessibility of amer core. so people of all backgrounds can serve. it increases the living stipend, the educational, more in outreach so there is a more diverse cadre of young people joining amer core to be tutors in our schools. year after year, four or five times as many young people apply to serve our nation through amer core as there are slots available to do so. looking forward, given president biden's announcement of his intention to create a climate conservation core, it's my hope we will continue to expand so it can meet unmet needs in housing, in hunger, in conservation and in education. i have already talked to the new secretary of education about. and i have a lot of colleagues supporting this in the senate. senator booker has been leading on creating a specific tutoring core. and senator reid just held a hearing in the armed services committee about the importance of national service. he and senator duckworth, both veterans, have been champions of national service. and this has been by partisan. senator wicker had 16 senators, eight from each party, supporting a bill to expand amer core as an opportunity for young americans. anyone who is interested in a year of service to our country across a wide range of opportunities should be logging in to the amer core website and expressing their interest. those programs should be expanding soon. . >> chris chris coons and former education secretary john king, thank you both for coming on the show this morning. a monumental task. we appreciate it. ahead for both of you. still ahead, senate majority leader chuck schumer will be our guest on what comes next after the covid relief package. 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in terms of support for this bill, it's quite high. i'm not sure how much more support he can get for it. do you think it's a good idea to travel the country and discuss the bill with the american people? >> i think it's a great idea. to pick up on victoria, the devil is in the details. stop selling it as a $1.9 trillion deal. sell it as here's what we're doing for hospitals, education, farmers, poverty, health care, child care. to the republicans point, there is all things for all people, that's the benefit to this. if i was in charge of communication i would do one 30-second ad for each one of these areas, you hit just about every demographic. so there's a lot in there, no matter who you are, where you're going. i could do a targeted message. so the answer is not this is a $1.9 trillion deal, this is for farmers, this is for hospitals, this is for schools. this is for child care. slice and dice it. >> all right. donny deutsch and victoria defrancesco soto. how do you feel about 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take the dough. you see already some of them claiming this is a good thing, that is a good thing but couldn't give it a vote. >> speaker nancy pelosi dismissing republicans trying to take credit for a relief bill they didn't support. in just a moment we'll speak with senate majority leader chuck schumer, first in his first prime time address last night president biden identified two key dates in the battle against the coronavirus. he directed states to make all adults eligible for the vaccine by may 1st. and if all goes well, he says it's possible that small groups could begin gathering again on the fourth of july. >> when i came into office, you may recall i set a goal that many of you said was kind of way over the top. i said i intended to get 100 million shots in peoples arms in my first 100 days in office. tonight i can say we're not only going to meet that goal, we're going to beat that goal because we've actually are on track to meet the goal of 100 million shots. no other country has done this. none. i promise i will do everything in my power, i will not relent until we beat this virus. i need you, the american people, i need you -- i need every american to do their part. that's not hyperbole. i need you. i need you to get vaccinated when it's your turn and when you can find an opportunity. to help your family, your friends, your neighbors get vaccinated as well. here's the point -- if we do all this, if we do our part, if we do this together, by july 4th there's a good chance you, your families and friends will be able to get together in your backyard or in your neighborhood and have a cookout or a barbecue and celebrate independence day. that doesn't mean large events with lots of people together, but it does mean small groups will be able to get together. after this long, hard year, that will make this independence day something truly special. where we not only mark our independence as a nation, but we begin to mark our independence from this virus. >> willie, politicians that overpromise and underperform pay for it negatively by voters. politicians who underpromise and overperform, of course, are we warded. i suspect that's what joe biden is doing when he talks about small events by january 4th. he knows, his team knows, july 4th. he knows, his team knows, again, there's going to be a lot of people going out to watch baseball games. full capacity in texas with the rangers. 20%, 30% in other stadiums. we won't be having hot dogs with a couple of friends in the backyard on july 4th. i suspect that's what he's doing here. >> it will be interesting to see how that evolves. he's done what you said, underpromise and overdeliver for the next couple of months. if we get to that 75%, 80% threshold that dr. fauci and others have talked about in terms of vaccinations, by june, certainly by the fourth of july, people will wonder what the rational is if we're all vaccinated why we can't get together. we'll see if towns end up having their fourth of july celebration. that may change over time. what you saw last night is president biden being hopeful, but it was hope grounded in fact. it wasn't, well, we'll be open by easter based on nothing. it was we think we can be open by the fourth of july. >> i remember that. >> because of the steps we're taking here. >> i remember. it will be like a rebirth or whatever. no. i think there's an issue with other strains of the virus. there's the issue with the global assessment of how the virus is, you know, spreading around the world. the different strains of it. there could be setbacks. i think the president was trying to be straight with the american people about what he really can deliver. >> there could be setbacks. again i think that's a smart political play. i just suspect that -- >> it could go well. >> i think americans will be moving out in larger numbers -- >> if they get the vaccine. >> let's bring in senate majority leader, democrat chuck schumer of new york. mr. majority leader, thank you very much for being here. >> by the way, first time on your show as majority leader, joe. >> ah! congratulations. >> that's true. since that's the case, we'll start with a really easy question. let's talk about andrew cuomo. we'll get to the other stuff first. obviously serious allegations leveled at andrew cuomo and it took a turn for the worse yesterday. now albany police are involved and investigating. as a democratic leader not just for the senate but nationally, what should democrats do? what should -- what should their approach be to andrew cuomo. mayor deblasio saying he should resign. >> look, the allegations brought forward against cuomo are serious, so troubling, and should be looked at. most recent one is nauseating. i've always felt that sexual harassment is not tolerable. we cannot tolerate it. you cannot accept it. early on i called for a thorough, complete investigation. it's now being undertaken by tish james, she's an independent strong, intelligent woman, and she has full power. she has full subpoena power for documents and individuals. she will turn over every stone. she'll get to the bottom of this. i know her, i've known her a long time. i believe she'll resist any outside interference political or otherwise. i have a lot of faith in her investigation. >> so, we've been talking this morning about the president's speech. i think like most everybody else, we believe it was an important speech delivered at an important time. certainly a change in tone from the last president. we have been focused on that july 4th date for small gatherings, and believe that may be too conservative with a small "c," too conservative of an estimate. what are your thoughts about when new yorkers can expect to go back to work, go back -- all of them to go back to school, to start getting out to yankee games? >> indeed, i can't wait. my right field grandstand seat is waiting for me. it was a great speech. he hit it out of the park. i think three reasons. number one, when i go home, the number one question i get is how -- when can i get the vaccine? where will it be? when will it be? we are finding what a sigh of relief, i'll go to the white house and see competence this afternoon with the president when we do the signing at the rose garden. they know what they're doing. they know how to get it done. there's been gradual, gradual, gradual but steady progress. the dates have gotten sooner. things have gotten better. joe biden will rely on the science. he won't oversell it. you know what i really liked about that speech, no swagger. i'm doing this aren't i great? there was empathy. this man has suffered tragedies in his life. we all know that. he certainly empathizes, sympathizes with americans, many americans who have suffered similar tragedies because of covid. he talked about what people wanted to hear. it didn't swagger, boast or exaggerate. and it showed real sympathy. he hit it out of the park. let me tell you, i think lots of republicans watching that speech will say, gee whiz, this guy is better than i thought he was. >> mr. schumer, i'm looking forward to those yankee games as well. i want to ask you about nancy pelosi's comment coming in. she was criticizing roger wicker and other republicans for taking credit for what was in the bill. you've, i noticed, taken a different tact here and say i hope republicans recognize and acknowledge and take some credit for what is in this bill that will help their states and perhaps show a path that you all can work together. there's a lot of progressives who say they'll never work with you. if they couldn't get a single vote on this bill that enjoys 75% approval in the country, what can you work with them on? how do you view your relationship now? >> first, let me say, our number one goal -- i think this is the goal of all of our caucus from bernie sanders to joe manchin, we need change. no one is happy with the status quo. my view, and i think the view of most of our caucus, we would prefer with republicans to get that change. when we can work with them we will. as majority leader i have the ability to put bills on the floor. the first thing i put on the floor, my first act as majority leader was a bipartisan amendment by kyrsten sinema of arizona, roger wicker, to give help to our restaurants. it's a bold bill. it's a strong bill for the restaurants. when they will join us, great. but i do believe this -- i've said this repeatedly over and over again, we cannot make the mistakes of 2009 and 2010. we cannot underperform. they did in 2009 and 2010, and unemployment lagged for a very long time. it took a long time to get the economy moving again. so big, bold action is our watch word. if we prefer to work with republicans, we want to, we'll reach out. where we can work with them, we will. we will not be deterred from big, bold action when we can't work with them. >> as you know, you can't use reconciliation much longer. you can't use it except for specific cases where the budget is involved. does that mean you would be willing to get rid of the filibuster to get through some of these more important bills you're working on? >> first, i do think reconciliation can be used again, certainly on the next part of the biden agenda, which is build back better, which deals with climate, infrastructure, job training and the science bill. that's a large bill. that can be reconciled. there are probably areas there where republicans will agree with us and areas where they can't. we have to have bold action. there are other things that don't lend themselves to reconciliation. look, we have to get those things done. i will first probably put a good number of those bills -- yesterday i said i would put the background check bill on the floor. that will show both the country and our democratic caucus how many republicans are willing to work with us on these things. if not, we'll have to assemble as a caucus and figure out how to get a lot of them done. nothing is off the table. our caucus is a great caucus. i love every member. i know it sounds corny, but it's true. i have a leadership team, every monday night we sit down, guess who is on the leadership team? elizabeth warren and bernie sanders on the one side, joe manchin, mark warner on the other. we talk it through, we achieve unity. so far so good. no one thought when i first came in, oh, how will he do all that? have an impeachment trial, we have the president's cabinet, you have the american rescue plan. well, we did -- i think we did a good, fair bipartisan impeachment trial. we have most of the president's cabinet installed and we can get a lot done as a unified caucus. i will do everything i can to see that continues. >> but everything is on the table as you said. i want to play mitch mcconnell. here is what he had to say about the passage of this $1.9 trillion bill. >> this wasn't a bill to finish off the pandemic, it was a multi trillion dollar trojan horse full of bad old liberal ideas. president biden's own staff keep calling this legislation "the most progressive bill in american history." hardly the common commonsense bipartisanship that was promised. >> your comment to the criticism from the republicans that some of this is targeted at the pandemic but most of it is not? >> what part doesn't he like? does he not like giving checks to people who need help? does he not like opening schools? does he not like the vaccine? that's more than half of the bill. feeding people. helping people not be evicted from their apartments or their homes. this bill is aimed at the problems that covid created. you know, it's not bipartisan in the senate unfortunately. maybe the next bill will be because when republicans see we can do it without them, maybe they will join us and want to do it with us. it's bipartisan with the american people. the surveys i've seen show 40% to 55% of the republicans like the overall bill and a much higher percentage like the pieces that i have mentioned. i think mcconnell is making a huge mistake. i think he's on the wrong side of history. he's on the wrong side of economics and he's on the wrong side of politics in opposing this bill the way he has. >> all right. so you have mitch mcconnell saying what he's saying. senator mike lee is quoted as saying this bill is not leading in the right direction. it's a covid bill with a whole lot of bill and not very much covid. if you were traveling to his state and selling the bill, how would you describe it? >> he should sell the bill. we shouldn't do what was not done in 2009 and 2010 when nobody knew what was in the bill. i would talk about the things i just mentioned. vaccines, people are eager to get those vaccines. when are they coming? this bill provides the dollars and the mechanism to do it. opening the schools safely. when will that happen? this bill provides $160 billion to do that. money in my pocket. checks, they're extremely popular. and when will i get those checks? which now looks like by the end of march. $1,400 for each person in the family when your income is below $150,000. so i would sell the specifics of the bill. they sort of sell themselves. that's why it's so popular with the american people. and joe biden will spend the next two weeks doing it. so will our senators. i've already been all over my state talking about different aspects of the bill. the reaction is overwhelmingly positive even in upstate new york, which is more midwestern and more republican than downstate. >> let me ask you a final question, mr. majority leader, about the concerns that larry summers -- >> you can still call me chuck. >> okay, chuck. >> i'm still a brooklyn guy. >> you are. you are. so, larry summers has expressed concerns about this bill because of inflationary concerns. steve rattner who is on the show quite a bit, former treasury official, expressed similar concerns that the bill just spent too much money. i heard some other democrats say they're a little worried it will overheat the economy and cause inflation in the coming months and years. you obviously represent the financial capital, not only of this country but of the world. have you heard those concerns from people in new york? from financial -- from the financial sector? what do you tell them? >> here's what i tell them. i would say two things here. first, listen to experts who are hardly wide-eyed radicals. the chairman of the federal reserve board, powell, he says it's far more dangerous to undershoot than to overshoot. i agree with that completely. i don't think we're overshooting. i think we're on target. if you had to err on one side. the second thing i would tell people is look, the federal reserve pumped$4 trillion into the economy between 2009, the fiscal crisis, the financial crisis that we had and the next seven or eight or nine years. a huge amount of money. more money pumped into the economy at a time on a percentage basis since world war ii. what happened to inflation? went down. what happened to prices? stayed the same or the increase was very low. so the idea that deficit reduction should be number one when we have an economic crisis, when we have to dig our way out of a hole and when we want to restore the economy to grow the way it did in the late part of the 20th century, '70s, '80s, '90s, 3% wage growth, rather than 1% or 2%, which is not enough growth for average folks. we should be bold. i do not think the dangers of inflation, at least in the near-term are very real. could it happen later? it might. but again, i take powell, yellen, people i trust. you want to make sure you get enough money into the economy and err on the side of getting it in that direction. >> so the final question for the brooklyn boy, what about the yankees? how are you feeling about them in spring training? what type of year do you think they'll have? >> everyone is coming through. usually when the yankees get new acquisitions, a few of them 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"morning joe" is back in a moment. moment ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ excuse me ma'am, did you know that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? thank you! hey, hey, no, no, limu, no limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ a capsule a day visibly fades the dark spots away. new neutrogena® rapid tone repair 20 percent pure vitamin c. a serum so powerful dark spots don't stand a chance. see what i mean? neutrogena® how do we ensure families facing food insecurity get access to their food? we needed to make sure that, if they couldn't get to the food, the food would come to them. we can deliver for food banks and schools. amazon knows how to do that. i helped deliver 12 million meals to families in need. that's the power of having a company like amazon behind me. i was literally sound asleep and the found rang and i saw it was a reporter, who i know. i picked it up. she said hi, this is heidi calling from nature. i wanted to get some comments on the nobel. i thought she was calling to ask me about somebody else on the nobel. i said heidi, gosh, i haven't had time to look at anything yet. she said, my gosh, you don't know. i said know what? she said you won the nobel prize. >> this is the first nobel prize given only to women. >> is that true? >> yes. >> ever? >> ever. >> ever? >> i love that look on her face when she founds out it's the first nobel prize given to women. that is a beautiful moment. that was jennifer dudna one she was told she won the nobel prize in chemistry for their discovery of crisper technology. walter isaacson joins us now. his new book is called "the code breaker." we also have with us director of the national institutes of health, dr. francis collins, he's the geneticist who led the human genome project. we're also joined by journalist and biotech researcher, april pawluk who did post-graduate work under jennifer at uc berkeley. great to have you on board with us this morning. what a beautiful moment. walter, i guess first of all, i just say hands down an incredible moment for women. but you're writing about this technology taking us into the future. how will it change our lives? >> i want to hear what francis collins says about that, but what this will do is allow what he and his colleagues discovered, which is how our dna is written. it will allow us to rewrite when there are things that are problematic, such as sickle cell anemia. once we figured out the sequencing of dna, we had to figure out rna carries out the work and builds the proteins. so we have these vaccines based on rna or based on genetic engineering. we had a miracle year in this horrible dark year of our pandemic. a miracle year for biotechnology as april pawluk knows, having studied under jennifer, but then leading one of the journals that has been publishing paper after paper on this. even now during the pandemic, the first person gets cured of sickle cell anemia by using this to edit genes. we'll be using it in the fight against cancer. there's an enormous amount we can do. dr. collins has been leading the nih and has been a guide the past 20 years on this type of research. >> dr. collins, tell us about how this year, the past several years will change our lives and our future. >> thanks for the chance to be on and talk about this. this is really a remarkable time in biotechnology. the invention of these approaches to be able to understand how to read and sometimes how to write the genome. people should think of the genome as an instruction book. you have one. all of you listening. it's about three billion letters long written in this strange language what has just four letters in its alphabet. we used the human genome project to read that out for the first time. your individual genomes can be read out in the space of a day or two for less than $1,000, which is amazing. if you want to understand the role of dna in disease risks and how to do something about that, you not only want to read t you want to do a find and replace if there's something there that's not quite what it would be for good health. that's what krispr has made it possible to do. you mentioned the curing of a patient of sickle cell disease cripr in this past year. that's an amazing milestone. crispr has a lot of other applications, even including covid-19. some of the most exciting technologies for detecting the presence of the virus depends on crispr because it's a way to find a certain stretch of rna letters in a complicated mixture. so the applications, we still are just scratching the surface of what they could be. >> so interesting. dr. collins, willie geist. good morning. we've been talking this week around walter's book and also about the ethical concerns of the application of crispr. i know you share some of those concerns. one of the first projects put on display in hong kong you called irresponsible. so what are your concerns on the use of this on humans? >> i'm deeply concerned about at altering the inheritable part of the dna. there are no compelling circumstances where we need to do that. second of all this starts us into a pathway that most of us are deeply concerned about. in terms of changing the very essence of our own biology without quite knowing what we're doing, this has serious risks in terms of unexpected consequences, and frankly it has deeply significant philosophical and theological consequences that we will somehow reinvent ourselves, which assumes we know what's better than what we are. i'm in the vast majority of people who say we should not be using this jengene editing on the inheritable part of our cells. if it's for curing diseases, i'm excited about that. but we have to keep clear in mind what application we're talking about. then the ethical principles become quite clear. >> april, i just -- i have to point to the fact given that you've got a future ahead of you in science and there are gender disparities in the sciences, what this all means to you. especially the nobel prize ultimately. >> gosh, it's so inspiring to see, you know, amazing women scientists like jennifer doudna be recognized by all these huge honors. but i think it needs to be said that they are very few and far between these types of examples. there's still so many barriers to be overcome by women scientists from everything from just seeing a role model that looks like you to actually being able to achieve the types of things that these women have done. and so i think really, you know, there's problems at every level that are holding women back. and this is not just a women problem, this is also true of underrepresented scientists from all different backgrounds. and, you know, there are biases at many different stages of the process that need to be tackled in order for us to really have equal footing and be able to add our expertise and our creativity to the process. >> walter? >> i would love to ask dr. collins something. he said the theological implications of making inheritable changes to my genome. one of my favorite books is "the language of god." you're a practicing christian, you're a person of deep faith, what do you say to people -- because you say science and religion can be reconciled in that book. what do you say to people who say we shouldn't do anything like this because it's "playing god." >> well, i do believe that manipulating the very essence of our biological instruction book, the genome in a way that would be passed on to generations is crossing that line that we don't have the wisdom to take on. so in that regard, as a believer who sees creation as something that god has given us as a gift, and that we are, in fact, in the image of god as the bible would say, we ought to take with great seriousness any efforts to try to change that. and become somehow a new species. that troubles me. that causes me a great deal of concern in terms of not only the scientific risks that we might be taking but what does it mean about who we really are. i think many people of faith would share that same concern. >> so, april, as someone who worked under jennifer doudna and studied crispr closely. bring this down to the practical level for us. how could this change our lives? what are some benefits you see? >> i mean a huge benefit, as walter and dr. collins mentioned right off the bat, you know, we can actually take cells out of patients, change their genetic code and put them back incorrected. that can have huge therapeutic applications. that's already starting to be done. that's very exciting. the issue there is not all tissues or cell types are really accessible for that type of procedure right at this moment. we may make big advances in delivering crispr to those cells in the coming years. but right now that's limited to some of those disorders, you know, like walter mentioned, sickle cell disease, blood disorders, some other kind of choice disorders as well. so i think the bigger ethical question here is as they mentioned, you know, really doing this in an inheritable way. changing the genome of an embryo that will grow up to be a whole person and pass those changes along to future generations. that's where we get into, you know, big ethical questions. the question of consent, the question of -- that we don't fully understand what any change that we would make to the dna is going to do on a long-term basis in the context of an entire person's body. on so that -- that is where things get very difficult. and, you know, i think we're just not there. i agree with dr. collins, that that is a line that we should not cross yet. that consideration may change as the technology changes and as we learn more about the human genome, and better understand what all those changes that we would make would be and what their consequences would be. >> walter, i want to -- i want you to try to -- as an author, i want you to -- as a reporter, journalist, i want you to put into perspective this discovery. what's happened over the past year or two in this field. try to put in perspective crispr with steve jobs -- it's so easy for us to understand steve jobs, the way he changed our world. i remember in 1981, 1982 maybe "time" magazine calling the pc its person of the year. people being shocked. you can see how that technology changed the world. even einstein, we're taught from the earliest age, how einstein changed the world. put this in perspective with all of the people, all of the great inventors, all the great innovators that you've studied. how is this going to impact our lives compared to those innovations? >> i think the biotech revolution will be ten times more impactful than even the digital revolution. because it's our body. it's our cells. it's our health, it's our species. you talk about the iphone and other things coming into our home. the personal computer coming into our home. that brought the digital revolution into our home. in the next year or two, we are going to have devices that will be able not only to sequence our own genes but use crispr to detect any genetic sequences that we want to find like that of a virus that may be attacking us or maybe cancer cells. when those devices come into our homes, they'll be like that, the iphone that steve had because people will build apps upon them. they'll say, oh, i can build an application on this. and i think when we all have these devices and we're able to look both at the detection technology and our ability to sort of fix genetic problems we have, while being sure we follow dr. collins and by the way the nih prevents in the united states money being spent for inheritable edits. let's say no, for the time being we won't do that. but don't -- don't be afraid of the fact that biology and biotechnology is now coming into our lives the way the personal computer brought the digital revolution into our lives. because this is going to be huge. this is really going to transform how we understand ourselves. there's a joy about understanding something, especially when that something is ourselves. i would love to hear dr. collins -- go ahead. >> walter, before we get to dr. collins, i wanted to ask you, though, you talk about -- you talk about the nightmare, jenner doudna had one about hitler getting this technology. we're not 1933 in germany, but what are the chinese going to do with this technology? what will vladimir putin do? do you think if vladimir putin has the opportunity to create what he thinks is a master race, do you think other -- other authoritarians can say, you know, the russians are the master race now. the chinese are the master race now. look what we are doing. look. every person born in china will not have to worry about parkinson. you get my point. hitler died in 1945. but there are plenty of authoritarians and authoritarian states that will use that technology unless we figure out some creative way to stop it. how do we do that? it's one thing for us to say wie not going to allow it to happen in the united states. how do we stop it in china? how do we stop it in russia? how do we stop it across the world? >> vladimir putin has already given a speech to a youth group in which he talked about genetic editing and crispr talking about better soldiers, soldiers that don't have fear, soldiers that will be able to face radiation. this is a worry we have. in china there was a doctor who made edits of an early stage embryo in order to create inheritable edits. it was done -- this makes it hard to process -- in order to prevent the children from having a receptor for a virus. that's something we want but you don't want to cross that line. the good thing is the chinese have been working with jennifer doudna and at international summits to have guidelines and they put this doctor under house arrest. under arrest. so i think we could find this will be a place where we can have some international consensus of let's pause before we cross this line of making inheritable edits. i think the chinese would go along with it. we also have to defend against it. one of the largest funders of jennifer doudna and other labs is the defense department advance research agency and they're creating things like anti-crispr, if we get attack bayed crispr thing, we can defend against it. we need to keep the research going for defensive purposes as well. >> dr. collins, i'm curious on a personal level, can you talk about your journey, your spiritual journey and your scientific journey going hand in hand and as you went down this process, understanding that you were actually taking a peek behind god's door, the creation of life, and who we are as humans, how were you guided? who did you consult with? when did you -- when did you -- were there times where you were going to do something as a scientist and then your faith stopped you from doing that? >> those are good questions. i didn't grow up in a faith tradition. i was an atheist as a graduate student. i came to faith as a medical student sitting alongside theed bedsides. and over a couple of years understanding why believers believed, realized that was the most rational choice of all and became a believer and a christian at 27. people said you will have your head explode because you're studying dna, this will never work. and it never happened. i found a harmony between what i know as a scientist about studying nature and what i know as a believer about the creator of all of this who is outside of the scientific method. as long as you're clear about what kind of question you're asking, you can use your faith or you can use science, but be clear you're asking the question that uses one of those appropriately. so, yes, i do see science as a means of exploring god's creation. i see this as a form of worship really, to appreciate what we have been given. i do have ethical framework that is based upon that. but frankly it's an ethical framework shared by almost everybody else. it's not as if christians have a different way of looking at things. so i've not encountered a circumstance where i have a challenge. but it gives me a sense of calling to be in the midst of this. before we talk about all the negatives, i do want to put forward one sort of vision that i have about where crispr may take us. there are 7,000 genetic diseases where we know the precise misspelling in the dna that causes those illnesses. many of them affect children. those are not the kinds of diseases for the most part where you can take the cells out and fix them take the cells out and fix them the way we're doing with sickle cell with crisper. you need to be able to deliver crisper to the right tissue at the right time safely. that is the dream that many of us have, and we are starting to see that dream happen. my own research lab works on the rarest form of premature aging called progeria, kids that age about seven times the normal rate. just a month ago in "nature" we published a paper using a very closely similar mouse model where a single infusion intra intravenously was able to take those sick mice and give them almost a normal life span, and that was pretty exciting to see. that one letter getting fixed and look what you can do. if we can do it for mice, maybe we can do it for kids. make we can do it for thousands of diseases that collectively affect 30 million americans. this is my dream, my hope. >> wow, what an amazing answer on so many levels. director of the national institutes of health, dr. francis collins, thank you. journalist and biotech researcher, thank you for being here. jennifer doudna, the future and the human race. as stages remain dark, one tony-nominated playwright says american theater may not survive the coronavirus. that is next in 90 seconds. so you're a small business, or a big one. you were thriving, but then... oh. ah. okay. plan, pivot. how do you bounce back? 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if we can get back in the summer, perhaps in the fall, what will broadway look like when it returns? >> it will look quite different, right? and i think that that was always going to be the case. the case was always going to be that the shows that sort of are the bread and butter of broadway, big, bright light spec tackle, would be a bit more difficult to be the first shows to come back around, right? because the entire country has had a huge financial hit. but i think that, like, for broadway it's looking very much like we are going to be coming back, and we're going to be coming back perhaps a bit more inclusive than we were when we left. two shows have been announced for broadway, "adults of a colored man" and august's piano lesson" which is exciting. those are two plays by broadway authors that people will see when they come back. that's a sign of broadway healing itself and reshaping it, but i think the broadway we loved won't be there. and an article i wrote for "the guardian" and the talk we're having now will be more about what's going to happen off-broadway in our smaller theaters around the regions that are sort of the heartbeat of the theatrical industry and build out sort of the pipeline for the new and exciting voices that end up on broadway over a decade, through a lifetime, like mine, right? if there weren't theaters in california and off-broadway that helped shape my voice and shape my work and support me where no one knew to put a lot of money into my work, a work like a play wouldn't be able to get 20 tony nominations. >> as you talk to your broadway community, your theater community, and we're not talking just about actors and actresses and playwrights but all the crews that take the tickets and sell the food, it's a massive community that's been out of work for a year now. how are they holding up, and what have they been doing in the interim to make it work? >> i think one of the things that became very pressing to me last march, right, was the fact that it felt as though no one was having a conversation about the light primarily composed of women of color who did all the security for the broadway shows, and all the people who were primarily in their 40s-plus who do all the ushering for broadway shows, as we were sort of mourning the loss of theater. that made me feel really wild, because these were the people when my show was on broadway were the authorities of my play. outside of the people who had created the show into, like, the main cast and the creative team, the people that knew the play inside and out, much like dossents in a museum were doing the job every day doing the job of invisible lives. i know early on there were small conversations among artists to build out gofundmes, et cetera, for people who do that labor in the community. but they had to transition to other jobs, and that is really -- that's really scary and sad to me, because a lot of those people were not just -- they were the foundations, they were the columns that held those theaters up, because they knew about every show that happened there. they could tell you about every flop in the golden theater and the booth theater and every act's wild success. they could help an audience make sense of a play that maybe felt farther away from them than the plays they're used to seeing. and i really hope that when theater comes back, those people, who are so important to the community, will be brought back in and help out. because the sad, sad truth of this entire thing is that because our government doesn't see the labor of theater workers as labor, we have not had the same sorts of bailouts or the same sorts of specific industry -- like a funding that can regenerate an industry that has been the most devastated by this pandemic in the sense that this pandemic said, you cannot do your job at all, period, for over a year. >> as you said, the gofundme pages are very nice, but they only go so far. you need something bigger in terms of investment. we look forward, jeremy, to more of your work and broadway opening as soon as possible. it's great seeing jeremy o. harris. thank you for being with me this morning. and we have final thoughts of a historic week. >> we grow up watching movies, we grow up being consumers of tv shows, our favorite tv shows. so much of that starts with actors that start on the stage, and it is such a difficult -- it's a difficult journey even in the best of times for struggling actors, for struggling writers, for struggling directors, and so i'm really hoping broadway does get an opportunity to open back up soon, and i know it's been a tough year for all those actors. let's hope that they can get back on stage, get back in the theater soon. >> we can't wait till the lights are back on on broadway. joe, thank you. we'll see you all back on monday. that does it for this week. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hey, steph. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle in new york city. president biden is giving independence day a whole new meaning, setting that day as a target for getting this country back to some sense of normalcy. in

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