That. Identifying patterns in the brain that can reveal what a person is actually feeling. I think the emotion is envy. Wow. That was correct. What were you thinking for envy . laughs something personal . I was just thinking of beautiful models. ticking bells ringing last easter, we visited a fortress against time, where art is created to help heal one of americas greatest wounds. It is the story of the resurrection of the only house of worship destroyed on 9 11. The good of mankind can conquer evil, no matter what. ticking im lesley stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im anderson cooper. Im sharyn alfonsi. Im norah odonnell. Im scott pelley. Those stories, tonight, on 60 minutes. ticking alfonsi tonight, youre going to hear about the man the f. B. I. Is now calling the most prolific serial killer in the history of the united states. As we first reported last october, his name is Samuel Little, and over the course of year and a half, he confessed to 93 murders. Thats more than were committed by ted bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer combined. No one would have known thea xaa hunch. Little had never confessed to anyone about anything, but over the course of 700 hours of interviews, Ranger James Holland coaxed the 80yearold into revealing his lifes work. The confessions have enabled investigators across the country to solve dozens of cold cases. But holland needs help to match up the rest. Its why the texas ranger is telling us the story of how he got americas deadliest serial killer to confess. With a swagger that would make john wayne envious, texas Ranger James Holland arrived last summer at the california state prison. He was escorted to the Interview Room for another round with Samuel Little, the killer who went undetected for nearly half a century. Dont be fooled by his grandfatherly appearance. S y n of 5 years. Alfonsi 93 murders in 19 states, from 1970 to 2005. Now, near the end of his own life, and out of appeals, little has been spilling his secrets to Ranger Holland over the course of several interviews since may of 2018. James holland where did you kill the most . Little oh, thats easy. Florida and california. Holland what city did you kill the most in . Little miami and los angeles. Holland and how many did you kill in los angeles . Little los angeles, probably 20. Alfonsi so how did he skip by so long . Holland he was so good at what he did. You know, how did you get away with it, sammy . Did the crime, left town. Alfonsi the drifter from preyed on theringes ociostegadi police wouldwork tar th say was a cunning killer, who sized up his victims and his surroundings. Holland e ththt irsg in ckthis guy alfonsi smart . Holland oh, like, genius. Yes, absolutely. Alfonsi why . Why do you say that . Holland oh, well, number one, you know, the photographic memory, his memory for details. You know, like, sammy, tell me whats around her . Theres three tombstones over there. Theres a caliche road. Drive down a quarter of a mile, theres a White Baptist church that needs to be whitewashed. Phenomenal. Alfonsi for example, little remembered unusual arches close to the spot where he killed a woman outside of miami. Sure enough, when miami detectives investigated, they saw the arches. Little had strangled Miriam Chapman near those arches in 1976. Youve never felt like he sent you on some wild goose chase . Holland no. Nothing hes ever said has been proven to be wrong or false. Weve been able to prove up almost everything he said. Judge mr. Little alfonsi because of littles confessions, judges and prosecutors nationwide have been able to close longstanding cases. Judge what is your plea to the charge of murder . Little guilty. Alfonsi here was little, via a video link from his prison last august, pleading guilty to two stranglings in cincinnati. In just over a year, 50 cold cases that had been dormant for decades were solved due to the detailed confessions little provided to the ranger. Holland tell me about north little rock. Kell me what that girl lood. Little had buck teeth. Had a gap between her teeth, thats what it was. Alfonsi little grows disturbingly animated as he describes how he strangled his victims. Little you know that shes fighting for her life, and im fighting for my pleasure. Alfonsi so how do you reach a serial killer . How do you get them to talk . Holland you avoid the things that normally work for investigators. Alfonsi what do you mean by that . Ndoloiclu os ine d foavr. Hgse thfamily alfonsi because they dont have remorse, and they dont care about closure . Holland no, no, it doesnt appeal to them at all. I mean, youre asking them to open up their soul to the things that are more intimate to them than anything in life. Why should they do that with you . And thats what youre working for. Little a little skinny black girl. Real friendly. She was laughing while i was killing her. Holland with sammy, theres indications of visualization, of when hes thinking about a crime scene. Hell start stroking his face. And as hes starting to picture a victim, youll see him look out and up. And you can tell he has this revolving carousel of victims, and its just spinning, and hes waiting for it to stop at the one that he wants to talk about. Alfonsi investigators had discovered that little liked to sketch. Ranger holland gave him art supplies, wondering if he might be able to use his remarkable memory to draw his victims. Gasp and he has. Wow. These are all of his drawings. Holland these are all his. Alfonsi theyre pretty detailed. Is there one that you looked at and you knew right away, oh, thats. . Holland theres a lot of them. Alfonsi really . Holland yeah, as soon as we matched it up. Alfonsi how many has he sketched . Holland i think theres somewhere around 50. Alfonsi the note on this one is super creepy. Holland sam killed me, but i love him. He writes notes on some of the drawings. Alfonsi tall girl by the highway. Girl in a strip joint. Left in the woods. 1972 . And its so. Holland right, yes, and weve matched that one up. Alfonsi you have . Holland yes, thats a new orleans murder. Alfonsi i cant remember the person who checked me out of the hotel this morning. If someone gave me a Million Dollars to draw her face, i couldnt do it. The fact that he can still do this . Holland right. He basically takes a photograph in his mind of exactly what he sees as he leaves them. Alfonsi two and a half years ago, Ranger Holland had never heard of Samuel Little. Little was rotting away in this prison at the edge of californias mojave desert, sentenced to three life terms in 2014 for strangling three women. In court, prosecutors had labeled little a sexual predator. He denied everything, and was defiant to the end. But the f. B. I. Noted that little had somehow skirted charges for Violent Crimes year after year, in state after state, in places where women disappeared, including texas. That drew the interest of Ranger James Holland, a skilled interviewer who says hes convinced dozens of killers to confess during his career. Typically, when people want you involved in a case, they want you there because. Why . Holland virtually every single case that i ever deal with, theres no d. N. A. Evidence, theres no forensics, theres no nothing. Alfonsi and there was nothing linking Samuel Little to additional murders, just suspicions. The ranger was intrigued by a cold case in odessa, texas. Denise brothers was a prostitute working on the wrong side of town. Then she went missing in 1994. Damien brothers we looked remembers driving around odessa with his grandparents, looking for her. A month later, denise brothers body was found at the back of an abandoned parking lot, dumped in brush. Brothers we were asked to come down and look at the body. Alfonsi you had to do that . Brothers yeah. Alfonsi how old were you . Brothers 14. Alfonsi that sticks with you. Brothers yeah. Alfonsi for 24 years, damien didnt know who killed his mother, or why. Ranger holland learned denise brothers had been strangled, and that Samuel Little was in west texas at the time. Holland did sammy do it . I dont know, but i felt like there was a, you know, a reasonable probability that he did it. Alfonsi to find out if his instinct was right, the ranger went to Southern California to interview little, who had always been hostile to Law Enforcement. Holland did i believe he was going to confess . laughs complete arrogance on my part. Absolutely. Alfonsi and for the first couple of minutes, it really was going quite poorly. Holland oh, horrible. Alfonsi hes raging. Holland oh, yes. At he had been wrongly depicted as a rapist. Holland there was no doubt in my mind that Samuel Little was not a rapist. But i told him, he knew it, and i knew it, that he was a killer. And he stops, and he kind of looks at me for a second. And he didnt seem to mind it. And then you could see in his eyes, as hes looking away, and he follows back as i say the word, killer. And that appealed to him. Thats how he defines himself. Alfonsi as a killer . Holland yes. Alfonsi was there a moment where you said, ive got him . Holland yeah, when he talked about, there may be three victims in texas. Alfonsi three victims, and one of them was in odessa, texas. Christie palazzolo all of a sudden, we turned to each other. Oh my gosh, hes talking about odessa. And we grab our files and start going through and checking what hes talking about and verifying, and. Alfonsi Christie Palazzolo of the f. B. I. And Angela Williamson of the department of justice analyze Violent Crimes. They were listening to the interview across the hall, and had access to the f. B. I. Database and the denise brothers file. Youve got the photos of the crime scene in front of you. Did it match up right away . Angela williamson oh, yes. laughs palazzolo yeah. Alfonsi and he had details. Palazzolo yes. Alfonsi that hadnt been reported . Palazzolo extreme details, yes. Alfonsi like what . Williamson in denises case, he remembered that she wore a denture. Alfonsi the autopsy confirmed brothers did wear a denture. All the details matched. Samuel little had killed denise brothers. Ranger holland knew he was onto something big. He schemed to have little extradited to texas for a few months, so he could talk to him around the clock and extract more confessions. I would think texas, with the Death Penalty, is the last place a killer like sammy little wants to go. Holland yeah, basically, what i told him was, i can go to the District Attorney and i can ask him to take the Death Penalty off the table, and i believe that he will do that. Alfonsi which was especially brazen, since Ranger Holland had never met the District Attorney in odessa, bobby bland. Bobby bland and he said, id like a letter from you, on your letterhead, saying that you would waive the Death Penalty. And i said, well, you know, thats a pretty tall order just to do blindly. Alfonsi so why . Why did you do it . Bland theres a greater good. This strange ranger that was calling me from california, telling me he had a serial killer. I put my faith in him. Alfonsi the next morning, the letter waiving the Death Penalty was in Samuel Littles hands. The rangers sent a plane to whisk little to texas, where he was housed in the wise county jail. For 48 straight days, for hours on end, the two men sat in a small room. During that time, little confessed to 65 of his murders. The ranger plied little with pizza and dr. Pepper to keep the stories flowing. People will hear this and go, why were you treating a serial killer so well . Holland what do i say to that . I say that we can have one case, or we can have 93 cases. Alfonsi it was in your best interest for him to be comfortable. Holland oh, absolutely, yes, yes. Alfonsi so why you . Why did he finally confess to you . Holland at the end of the day, maybe sammy just liked me. Alfonsi today, little is back at the california state prison. We wanted to interview him on camera, but state law wont allow it. So we asked him to call us. phone ringing he did, answering our questions for nearly an hour. We wondered why he decided to confess now. Are you worried that there might be innocent people in jail for some of your crimes . Little probably be numerous people who are been convicted and sent to penitentiary on my behalf. I say, if i can help get somebody out of jail, you know, then god might smile a little bit more on me. Alfonsi for most of s. Little they was broke and homeless, and they walked right into mfo ait wncom stories. N to his graphic towards the end of the interview we asked him to reflect on the depths of his crimes. Little i dont think there was another person that did what i liked to do. I think im the only one in the wold. And thats not an honor. That is a curse. Alfonsi with littles old age, failing health, and a fear that his memory could slip, there is urgency to figure out who and where the rest of his victims are. Holland its kind of like, neverending. You have to continue. You have to finish it. Alfonsi Ranger Hollands been encouraging little to keep drawing. Three new sketches recently arrived at the rangers texas office. Three new faces, last seen in the mind of the most prolific serial killer in american history. Since our story first aired, Law Enforcement has matched another ten victims to Samuel Little. ticking how you can help the fbi with the remaining cold cases. It may help a Family Member or a retired detective. At 60 minutes. Com sponsored by kolo guard. How you can help the f. B. I. Stahl who among us hasnt wished we could read someone elses mind . Know exactly what theyre thinking . Well, thats impossible, of course, since our thoughts are,. Private. Personal. Unreachable. Or at least, thats what weve always well, thought. As we reported last fall, advances in neuroscience have shown that, on a physical level, our thoughts are actually a vast network of neurons firing all across our brains. So if that brain activity could be identified and analyzed, could our thoughts be decoded . Could our minds be read . Well, a team of scientists at Carnegie Mellon university in pittsburgh has spent more than a decade trying to do just that. We started our reporting on their work ten years ago, and what theyve discovered since has drawn us back. In Carnegie Mellons scanner room, two floors underground, a steady stream of Research Subjects come to have their brains, and thoughts, read in this m. R. I. Machine. Its a type of scanning called functional m. R. I. , or fm. R. I. All right, well cue it up and then well start. Stahl . That looks at whats happening inside the brain as a person thinks. Marcel just its like being an astronomer when the first telescope is discovered, or being a biologist when the first microscope is developed. Stahl osstce just says this technology has made it possible for the first time to see the physical makeup of our thoughts. Okay, you ready to get started . Stahl when we first visited dr. Justs lab ten years ago, he and his team had conducted a study. They put people in the scanner and asked them to think about ten objects five of them tools like screwdriver and hammer, and and castle whileings like measuring activity levels throughout their brains. The idea was to crunch the data and try to identify distinctive patterns of activity for each object. You had them think about a screwdriver. Just mmhmm. Stahl and the computer found the place in the brain where that person was thinking screwdriver . Just screwdriver isnt one place in the brain. You think about how you hold it, how you twist it, what it looks like. Stahl and each of those functions are in different places . Just correct. Stahl he showed us that by dividing the brain into thousands of tiny cubes and analyzing the amount of activity in each one, his team was able to identify unique patterns for each object. Youre reading their mind. Just were identifying the thought thats occurring. Stahl whoa. Just its incredible, just incredible. Stahl incredible, but only the beginning. In the decade since, professor justs lab has taken this technique and applied it far beyond hammers and igloos, to increasingly complex thoughts. This is basic science, knowledge for knowledges sake. Not trying to cure disease, but to understand the fundamental workings of our bodies, and in this case, of our minds. One of dr. Justs main questions was whether he could find patterns for abstract ideas, so he did a study asking people to think about forgiveness. Gossip. Spirituality. Could they be identifiable in the brain the way the screwdriver was . Remarkably, the answer was yes. This was the activation pattern when people thought about spirituality. And this was gossip. One of my favorite subjects. Just and you see a slightly different pattern. Stahl one difference between the two was in areas of the brain scientists had already shown become active when we think about other people, circled in blue. Those areas lit up bright red when subjects thought about gossip. Not so much for spirituality. In another study, dr. Just tested whether patterns are the same when people think in different languages. They are. And hes asked acting students to conjure up emotions in the scanner to see if feelings have distinctive activation patterns, too. And what did you find . Just each emotion had its own characteristic values, and you could tell which one was which. Stahl and its the same in every head. Just amazingly, it was common across people. Stahl common across people . Does that mean we could put our colleague, associate producer jaime woods, into a scanner for the first time, and dr. Justs team would be able to identify her emotions . So, shes seeing words. For nine seconds each, jaimes job was to think of little scenarios that would conjure up the feelings on the screen. After she came out. Welcome back. laughs jaime woods thank you. Stahl . A Computer Program took tried to decode her thoughts. So, what were you thinking about for disgust . laughs woods i was thinking of someone throwing up on me. laughs at, like, a baseball game. Stahl so, could the computer read her brain patterns and tell what shed been feeling . Computer voice the programs answer is i think the emotion is disgust. The experienced emotion was actually disgust. That was correct. Woods awesome. Stahl next. Computer voice i think the emotion is env stahl what were you thinking for envy . Woods i was jy. Ust thinkingf beautiful models. Stahl the Computer Program got all of jaimes emotions right. Its reading what jaimes feeling. Just and its funny, isnt it, because its so personal. We all think of our own thoughts as so individual, so intimate. How could anybody elses thoughts be like mine . And they are. Stahl its feelings, too. Just yes, feelings. Now, obviously, people think very different thoughts. But, you know, like, People Choose to do different thingswi lk put ot innt o dyalks sideways. Nobody systematically. Theres something about the biological apparatus that makes you act in a certain way with your body. And i dont think we realize the degree to which the biological apparatus that we have in our skulls governs, shapes the way we think. Stahl professor justs goal is to one day create a dictionary of brain activation, a key to what all different thoughts look like inside our minds. But, he also started wondering whether those definitions might be different in people with disorders like autism. Okay, youre going to swing your legs up at this end. Stahl Prior Research had found structural differences in the brains of people with autism, so the question was heghtterns differ too. Hi, jeff, tis ta. Te you doing . Recruited 17 adults with autism and asked them, as well as 17 control subjects, to think about social interactions like adore, hug, humiliate challenging terrain for many with autism. The results were striking. The activation patterns differed enough to tell who had autism and who didnt with 97 accuracy. Just the people with autism thought of these social interactions apart from themselves. Stahl as he showed us in these findings for the word hug, the key differences were in brain regions that activate when we think about ourselves, circled in blue. Right there. Just there, and there. Those areas light up much more among the controls. Stahl whaus ere thsmti subjects showed far less activation. Just they thought of it more like a definition of hug, without selfinvolvement. Stahl and that, you saw, with word after word . Just yes. David brent i just thought, wow, this is the coolest thing ive heard in i dont know how long. Stahl david brent is a psychiatrist at the university of pittsburgh medical center, where he runs a clinic for suicidal adolescents. H attena talk marcel just was giving about his autism findings and immediately wondered about his own patients. Brent so i went up to him afterwards and i said, would you be interested in talking about maybe doing a study on suicide . Stahl you hear about cases of suicide where the person had been depressed, but you also hear of situations where people say, there was nothing wrong. Brent suicide is a great mystery, because the person who knows the most about why it happened isnt there to talk with. You try to reconstruct what happened, but nobody has a window into peoples, you know, interior thoughts. Stahl nobody, that is, except someone with a mind reading device. Drs. Just and brent began planning a pilot study to see if the scanner might reveal what is altered in the thoughts of people contemplating suicide. They reached out to matt nock, a harvard professor who has studied how difficult it is for doctors and Emergency Rooms to know which patients are safe to send home. Is this the first time anybodys looked inside the brain to see about suicidal thoughts . Matt nock yes. This is the first study i have ever heard of where someones looked in the brain of someone whos suicidal, whos actively thinking about death or suicide. Dan toski you dont see life as something thats going to be fixed. The only way to get out of it is to kill yourself. Stahl dan toski, a former patient at dr. Brents clinic, volunteered to participate in the study to help scientists better understand suicidal thinking. Do you think in terms of the word pain . Toski pain is when you break a limb or you have a migraine, and it hurts so bad that you cant see. This, being depressed and suicidal, it its much greater. Stahl much greater . Toski much greater than pain. Stahl to be in the study, subjects had to have had suicidal thoughts within the prior month. They, and control subjects, were asked to think about words like funeral and death, as well as positive words including praise, good, and carefree. In both categories, the suicidal group differed from controls. This is the group thats thinking about suicide . As with the autism study, the key differences turned out to be in those selfrelated areas. They lit up bright red among suicidal subjects when they thought about deathrelated words. Brent i give you the word funeral, you know, what do you think about . Maybe your grandmothers funeral, or Something Like that. Stahl exactly. Brent a suicidal person ml. Uch more likely to say, rathe fufindings were exactly te opposite. When the nonsuicidal controls thought about the word carefree, they thought about something that involved themselves; suicidal subjects significantly less so. Did you ever imagine that you could ask people to think about the word carefree, and youd be able to tell if someone was having suicidal thoughts . Its just no. You know, i stahl its its a breakthrough idea. Just its a lot of fun, if youre a basic scientist, to discover how things work. But it becomes theres an extra level of gratification when you learn that its possibly helpful and useful. Stahl this work is still in its infancy. Drs. Just, brent, and nock are doing a larger n. I. H. Funded study to collect more data. And while for now its too costly and cumbersome to put people into m. R. I. Scanners to see if its safe to release them from the hospital. If they could come up with an easier way to do this nock absolutely. Just like the first g. P. S. Was, you know, a big computer in a big room, and now its in all of our phones, if there is a way to, a few steps down the road, make much more compact this approach and bring it into Emergency Rooms and outpatient clinics, it could go a huge way towards moving Forward Clinical care. Stahl but as this Technology Advances toward fulfilling its full promise, its hard not to also wonder about its peril. Will it ever be possible to read someones thoughts precisely . Just the thoughts are there precisely, if you could just get close enough to the electrical activity. Stahl you think one day well figure out how to do that. Just yes. Stahl which means that well never be able to have our thoughts completely secure within ourselves. Just i think it will be technologically possible to invade peoples thoughts. But its our societal obligation to make sure that never happens. ticking disqualified from the 4th round match after striking a ball alcohol accidentally hit a line j. In nfl news, Adrian Peterson is joining the line, and will sign with the titans on a one year deal. For 24 7 this is abc news. Com. ticking pelley construction resumed last month on the only house of worship destroyed on 9 11. As we reported last spring,the y 20 years struggling to rebuild st. Nicholas Greek Orthodox church into a National Shrine at ground zero. At times opposed by the powerful, sabotaged by human frailty, the project is rising again, thanks to those who never lost faith in the resurrection of st. Nicholas. In2, a tavern found religion. During prohibition, greek immigrants consecrated a Lower Manhattan bar with a cross. Bill tarazonas the first time i walked in, all right, and i saw that little place in there, beautiful little place, i felt something. Pelley bill tarazonas was the last caretaker of st. Nicholas. Tarazonas it was my pride and joy. Pelley you called the place uncle nick . Tarazonas thats the first thing, when i walked in, says, hi, uncle nick. How are you . laughs that was my thing. Pelley uncle nick was traditional. The tomb of jesus was carried through streets on easter. On the epiphany, the cross was raised from the river, symbolizing the baptism of jesus. His face was humble, bnside, there was soul rich images of jesus, mary and the saints, known as iconography. Developers coveted the land, but the lone church stood its ground. Regina katopodis they were set that no one was going to take their church. My father spoke for all. There was not to be any compromise. Pelley regina katopodishurd frustrated developers for 34 years. Katopodis he said, they offered me 15 million and i said no. There was absolutely no hesitation about it. Pelley there was even a time that the archdiocese itself wanted to sell the church. W cone esodis fwas ancip and a church is a body of people. All he had to do was say no. Pelley for eight decades, st. Nicholas remained defiant at 155 cedar street an address that would mark its place in history. Tarazonas before we knew it, hell broke loose. sirens pelley bill tarazonas was there on 9 11. Tarazonas the building just went like this. Whats going on here . And then i walk outside. That was the worst thing in my life. Pelley a landing gear wheel bounded into the parking lot. Tarazonas opened his van to find human remains across his seat. Remscgin tower two collapsed. Thats when you knew that st. Nicholas was gone. Tarazonas yep. I lost part of me. I lost part of me. What the hell is going on . Pelley the days that followed yielded only fragments. Peter well find more, father. Father john we will, we will. chanting pelley greek archbishop demetrios, on the left, mf w archbishop god bless all these people. Demetrios a group of workers came and they said, we would like to ask you to pray for us. I say, why . They said, here, as we work, we know that we deal also with remnants of human bodies. Please, pray for us. Pelley among the dead was 31yearold john katsimatides, a bond broker in one of the towers, who had discovered st. Nicholas on a lunch hour. His sister, anthoula katsimatides, told us his remains were never found. Anthoula katsimatides i dont have a gravesite to visit. And its incredibly difficult, because we never buried anything or, you know, said goodbye. Pelley what was it about tho your brother . Katsimatides with all these buildings and concrete, i think that he felt i know. That he probably felt at peace, lighting a candle and just saying a prayer for whatever was going on. Pelley those buildings and concrete became the 9 11 memorial, and plans were drawn for a small domed church, the st. Nicholas National Shrine. chanting but, as the congregation prayed at the site each year, there were delays, and a budget that quadrupled to 85 million. Construction began in 2015. The dome rose a year later. But in 2017, the money from private donations ran out. Construction stopped. ferry horn only faith kept st. Nicholas alive, as we discovered 5,000 miles away. bells ringing on the greek coast, mount athos is a hermit peninsula of 20 ancient orthodox monasteries. Behind the walls of the xenophontos monastery, work on st. Nicholas never wavered. Jeremiah hails xenophontos is one of the oldest monasteries on mount athos. The first historical witness we have is from the year 998. Pelley father jeremiah hails from a town named for a saint san angelo, texas. Hails this was where god wanted me, and here i am. Pelley youve been here how long . Hails 22 years. Pelley the xenophontos monastery is a fortress against time. monks chanting hails about 50 monks live at this monastery. Theres traditional task, or what we call obediences in the monastery. Thmonks wo refectory; the monks who work in the garden; the monks who work among the olive trees, among others. We have, of course, the iconographers, who are very, very cultivated and have really mastered their art form. Pelley master iconographer father lukas is painting the iconography for the new st. Nicholas in the old craft of egg tempera. Lukas translated god has called me to do this work, to communicate the spirit of mount athos to the people. Pelley father lukas granted us an early look at 56 icons for thojt. He p ion, athe patron of seafarers, lifting a man from a violent sea. But whats troubling these waters is 9 11. Lukas translated i personally want this church, through the iconography, to open up a new horizon for people, that they come away with hope. If this happens, the icons have fulfilled their purpose. Pelley near father lukas studio, we met the designer of the church at ground zero hed been to mount athos twice before, for inspiration. You know, i wonder, what does an architect see when we walk through this courtyard . Santiago calatrava i believe you see that you do not need to be an architect, or know a lot about the history of architecture, to feel architecture. Its like music or Something Like that. You just have to open your heart. Pelley for st. Nicholas, in manhattan, his inspiration came from the hagia sophia, the former Orthodox Church in istanbul. Inside, calatrava sketched an icon of mary. And he thought, since she carried christ, her body was a church. Calatrava so there, herself becomes a kind of temple, isnt it . Containing something that, according to the orthodox faith, you know, is almost uncontainable, you know . Which is the idea of god. Pelley the vestments of the new st. Nicholas will be white marble, crowned with a translucent dome. At night, it will be a beacon. Calatrava light. Very important. Pelley why is the light very important . Calatrava you know, light, in my eyes, is to architecture what sound is to music. monks chanting pelley light candle light illuminated the easter celebration on our visit to mount athos in 2018. monks chanting abbot alexios led the procession and, at midnight, quoted the angel in the book of mark. monks chanting he is risen, he is not here. In the sanctuary, chandeliers were propelled into orbits to symbolize the joint celebration on earth and in heaven. monks chanting . Recalling the psalm, praise him sun and moon, praise him all you stars of lights. But in manhattan, there has been little sound or light since construction stopped in 2017. An investigation into finances revealed that millions meant for st. Nicholas were spent on other expenses of the archdiocese. About 3. 5 million was used elsewhere by the archdiocese. Is that correct . Demetrios it was a transferring of money from the st. Nicholas to another kind of account. Afterwards, we heard about that, i ask, why you did that . I said, you should not have touched the st. Nicholas money at all, for no matter what. It was a mistake, has been corrected. Pelley the money was returned. Last year, archbishop demetrios resigned. A new archbishop and new york state named an independent board to raise the last 45 million and manage construction. Fresh hope for anthoula katsimatides, who lost her brother. Katsimatides i know that once st. Nicholas opens. Mom and i will visit and say a prayer for john there. A place of love and hope for all Family Members and for all people from around the world who are going to come and visit and pay their respects to everyone that died that day. monks chanting pelley last summer, fatherme measure of gods empty gallery. He told us the walls anticipating his paintings represent the most important f hilis regina katopodis, whose father had refused to sell the old church. Katopodis im in it for my dad, and for everybody else that has gone and perished, and hoping, with their last breath, that they would be able to see st. Nicholas rebuilt. Pelley 100 years from now, what will that Little Church on the plaza say to the world . Katopodis that the good of mankind can conquer evil, no matter what. Pelley it was the Orthodox Church that made the cross the symbol of christianity. But, during construction, it was discovered the dome of st. Nicholas, alone, had reached the maximum height allowed by a higher power the Port Authority of new york and new jersey, which controls the site. A fis alfeded def salvation,ci if all goes well and it rarely has st. Nicholas will be born again next year, on the 20th anniversary of 9 11, a monument to death and life and unremitting faith. ticking motorcycle riders love the open road. 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