Goodnight everybody. M announcer tonight on late night with seth meyers. Michael cohen, music from sheryl crow an all new closer look. Featuring the 8g band with fred armisen and now, Seth Meyers Seth good evening, im seth meyers, and this is late night. How is everybody doing tonight lets get to the news. After the release of audiotapes of Bob Woodwards interviews with President Trump, trump called into fox news host Sean Hannitys show last night and said he wasnt sure if woodwards upcoming back about him was, quote, good or bad. Well, lets see, the book is titled rage. So yeah, you know, it could go either way in his new book on President Trump, bob woodward writes, quote, when his performance as president is taken in its entirety, i can only reach one conclusion trump is the wrong man for the job. Well, i guess well just have to take your word for it, said veterans, black americans, muslims, refugees, women, journalists, athletes, lgbtq people, civil servants, federal agents, world leaders, past president s, hundreds of former employees, two exwives, and a niece. President trump called into fox news host Sean Hannitys show last night and said he wont read woodwards new book because he doesnt have time to read it. Said the man on the phone talking to the tv show he was watching according to a new report, microsoft alerted former Vice President joe bidens campaign that Russian Hackers were likely involved in targeting his Campaign Officials in hopes of obtaining passwords and access to their network they even guessed joes password on the first try new york governor, andrew cuomo announced yesterday that new York City Restaurants can reopen for Indoor Dining at the end of the month at 25 capacity or, if you dont feel safe indoors yet, theres still plenty of tables in the left turn lane. [ laughter ] thats right new York City Restaurants can reopen for Indoor Dining at 25 capacity so for most new york restaurants that works out to one person the nfl held this Season Opener tonight, and its the only way the giants will ever complete an airborne transmission. A 16yearold from New Hampshire recently swam across the english got there and saw the ferry. Do you he didnt realize until she got there, there was a ferry wasted her time. Can you imagine the disappointment . [ laughter ] a lego designer in denmark recently created a grand piano with over 3,600 plastic pieces and then his mom put it all back in the closet. I thought you were done with them Buffalo Wild Wings announced that theyre coming out with three new sauce flavors. Theyre currently in phase three of human trials and the results look promising so far. And finally, police in florida responded to a report yesterday of an alligator in a storage shed that turned out to be an inflatable pool toy. Said the alligator [ panting oh, my god. I cant believe that worked. [ laughter ] and that was the monologue you guys, we have a great show for you tonight. Michael cohen will be here to talk about his book disloyal, a memoir the true story of the former personal attorney to president donald j. Trump. And well have music from ninetime grammy winner and music legend sheryl crow before we get to all that, this is our third show back in the studio and my third show surrounded by actual human beings, which is great, because it means i no longer need to talk to inanimate objects like i did when i was in my attic or the Captains Quarters hey, seth seth oh, no you got the prock doll from the animated series the awesomes that i voiced. You can talk, too . Yeah, i can and ive been in touch with the sea captain. Seth uhhuh. He wanted me to ask you a question seth is it a real question or, like a dumb seabased pun . What did the mythical sea creature say when he got to the party . Seth uhh, i dont know whats kraken [ laugh track awesomes, all three seasons available to stream on hulu. Seth i want everyone here to stop talking to the sea captain. Hes a Bad Influence and speaking of Bad Influences uhh, awesome segue, seth [ laughter ] seth thank you, microphone the president confessed on tape that he knew about the severity of the coronavirus pandemic and lied to the American People. And youll never guess how republicans are reacting theyre pretending they havent heard about it for more on this, its time for a closer look. Seth obviously, its hard to keep track of all the grotesque criminality and sociopathic incompetence of the Trump Administration on any given day. Its like trying to follow all the timelines on westworld. I thought that was the past . No, that was the future. And i thought that guy was human. No, hes a robot. He just got out of his milk bath. Just in the last 24 hours, weve learned that trumps department of Homeland Security censored intelligence on russian meddling in the 2020 election, downplayed the threat of white supremacist terrorism, and distorted evidence to match trumps lies about antifa, the Health Department tried to muzzle the governments top Infectious Disease expert and prevent him from warning the public about the dangers coronavirus poses to children and on top of all that, the president admitted on tape months ago that he knew the coronavirus was deadly and airborne, and confessed that he was lying when he downplayed the threat of a dangerous and highly Infectious Disease or as fox news put it good evening, everybody President Trump today had a great day. A day that any president could only dream of. Seth oh hey, look, everybody, its baghdad blob ive heard of brownnosing, but apparently dobbs was in there so deep, his hair turned brown. Normally, when an old man says Something Like that, you have to tell him, grandpa, harry truman is dead but hey, if im gonna believe anyone, its the guy who combs his hair like a fiveyearold at a wedding. Im a big boy, mommy. And you can trust me to hold the rings. These guys are all such creepy weirdos. Theyre like stepford pundits. Dobbs talks like a guy who just got through with six hours of electroshock therapy but even the fox news reality distortion machine couldnt hide the damning truth, because it was in the president s own words. Lets just remember, this is what trump was saying publicly as a deadly virus was spreading across the world and threatening americans lives its going to disappear one day. Its like a miracle. It will disappear. The virus, theyre working hard. Looks like by april, you know, in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away i hope thats true now the virus that were talking about having to do you know, a lot of people think that goes away in april with the heat as the heat comes in typically that will go away in april. China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control. I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon you know, in april, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And thats a Beautiful Day to look forward to. Were working very strongly with china on the coronavirus thats a new thing that a lot of people are talking about seth thats a new thing that a lot of people are talking about. And by the way, you dont look like the guy i go to to find out the new thing everyones talking about. You look like the guy i go to when im confused about the condo bylaws he talks about a deadly disease like its a new app. Its a new thing. A lot of people are talking about. Its called faceapp. i tried it, but it just gave me the ark of the covenant face. Also, among other things about that montage, he also said it would get hot in april so, i guess he really is a floridian now. It gets pretty hot in april, and i tell you, it makes you long for those christmastime swamp mists. Its like how when you call your grandparents in palm beach, and they complain that its freezing because its 68 degrees. Your grandfathers out chopping firewood, and im putting antifreeze in the golf cart. Also, why did you think the heat would cure it . Are you running a government or a sweat lodge . He sounds like one of those overtanned weirdos at the gym who thinks the sauna is a cureall for everything. Your back hurts well, just hit the sauna for a few hours all that heat helps soften your bones. And, uhh, towel is optional. [ light laughter ] now, the question with trump is always is he deluded or is he lying . Obviously, the answer is often both but in this particular case, it turns out trump wasnt just in denial he did know the truth about the coronavirus, and he lied about it he was aware that it was airborne, that it was deadly, and that it was worse than the flu. He could have easily informed the American People of the risks. Instead, he covered it up, as he confessed to Journalist Bob Woodward in the bombshell tapes. And so, what was president xi saying yesterday oh, we were talking mostly about the the virus and i think hes going to have it in good shape, but, you know, its a very tricky situation its indeed it is. It goes through air, bob. Thats always tougher than the touch. You know the touch you dont have to touch things, right . But the air, you just breathe the air. Thats how its passed and so thats a very tricky one. Thats a very delicate one its also more deadly than your you know, your even you strenuous flus seth i think one of the most shocking things about that tape is hearing trump talk even someone get flowers for algernon. Seriously, thats the same guy bleach and told everyone heat would make the virus go away on tape, he almost sounds like he knows what hes talking about. You know, bob, they conducted a doubleblind study, and it turns out aerosolized transmission is a much more significant vector than fomites, contributing to an increased case fatality ratio. Anyway, i gotta go, bob, doing a press Conference Announcing that battery acid cures hemorrhoids. Imagine if trump had said what you just heard on that tape in public at the start of the outbreak even if hed screwed up everything else, which he definitely would have, it still would have helped encourage more of his supporters to take the virus seriously. Instead, while he was privately confessing that he knew coronavirus was much deadlier than the flu, he was publicly telling people it was just like the flu, and suggesting it could even be cured by a flu shot. Thats a little bit like the flu. Its a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for and well essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner a lot of people will have this and its very mild theyll get better very rapidly. They dont even see a doctor they dont even call a doctor. You never hear about those people so you cant put them down in the category, the overall population, in terms of this corona flu, or virus you take a solid flu vaccine you dont think that would have an impact or much of an impact on corona . No. Probably not. Probably not. Seth its such a bummer that trump is surrounded by yes men, because as evidenced by that clip, he immediately backs down on the rare occasions when he hears no maybe the flu vaccine would work . No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because its separate. Because its two separate things i was just testing you knew that as well. And if youre still wondering if this was an intentional strategy to hide the true danger of the situation from the American People, it was, because trump confessed to that, too i think bob b i wanted to i wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down yes, sir. Because i dont want to create a panic seth oh, you didnt want to create a panic well, congrats dude. You nailed it. For the last six months, i did my show from literally a panic room aside from a onceinacentury economic crash thats threatened the health and livelihoods of millions of people, not to mention lines at food banks and fights in supermarket aisles over toilet paper, everybody is super chill. Now, if youll excuse me, i have to go wash my face mask and microwave my mail. Seriously, i thought after four years of trump confessing to galling crimes, id lost my capacity to be shocked, but this one got me i was mostly shocked that he was dumb enough to confess something so cartoonishly evil to a reporter who was recording him its like if the unabomber had put a return address on all of his packages trump claimed he was just trying to be prudent by withholding the truth about the deadly disease, a talking point that has been parroted by his toadies on fox news did you mislead the public by saying that you downplayed the coronavirus and that you repeatedly did that in order to reduce panic did you mislead the public well, i think if you said, in order to reduce panic, perhaps thats so. The fact is, im a cheerleader for this country i love our country and i dont want people to be frightened i dont want to create panic, as you say. And certainly, im not going to drive this country or the world into a frenzy. President s job is to maintain order and, by the way, right the ship during and after a crisis not spread panic, not spreading fear among the population. He didnt want people to freak out, so he tried to keep people calm. Seth oh, yeah, totally trumps the picture of calm and poise. Hes spent the last four years claiming caravans of migrants were coming to kill everyone, and airplanes full of mysterious blackclad thugs were flying Cross Country to burn down cities hes the human embodiment of yelling fire in a crowded theater. Of course, nowadays, you can cause a panic by yelling crowded theatre he panics more than an uptight greenwich matriarch who finds out her daughter is dating a tattooed biker hes going to ruin our reputation at the country club. By the way, dibs on that screenplay i will have you know this urn holds my grandfathers ashes, and would appreciate if you stop calling it janky. okay. Pretty janky urn, though. [ laughter ] and can we please go back to this well, i think if you said in order to reduce panic, perhaps thats so. Seth oh, perhaps thats so im so [ beep ] sick of watching this guy try out every excuse until one sticks you just know trumps the kind of guy who takes one bite of every chocolate in the box excuse me, are any of these filled with gravy . Also, the choices arent lie or panic. Theres a third option where you tell people the truth and then do something about it, which would reassure everyone. But no, we elected the guy who puts a piece of duct tape over the check engine light a trump brand fire alarm wouldnt beep, it would just tell you that in april it rains a lot, and that should put out the fire even after the tapes came out, republicans did their usual routine of ducking into elevators, hiding behind potted plants, and claiming they havent read the book, even though the comments are on tape and on every tv and website everywhere and even when they were confronted on tv, like louisiana senator john kennedy, they shortcircuited. These gotcha books dont really interest me that much hes on the record. Hes on the record these gotcha books dont really interest me that much tomorrow but this is different he did 18 interviews with bob woodward mmhmm, right so you hes hes recorded you hear his voice and youre seeing that and youre contrasting that with what he says to the public wouldnt that be something of interest to you as a United States senator well, let me let me answer you again. These gotcha books dont really interest me. Seth uhoh, somebody take john kennedy to the shop theres smoke coming out of his ears were gonna need to open this bad boy up and check out the wiring and if youre too busy for gotcha books, you should try gotcha books on tape the president made you one also, im not going to take advice on reading from a guy who sounds like drunk huckleberry hound. He sounds like his home address definitely contains the word yonder. With that said, he might not have been the one repeating himself. It could have been the bullfrog stuck in his throat. Also, maybe you should be less concerned about gotcha books, and more concerned that your president is so easy to get. I mean, hes the dope who agreed to talk to bob woodward, of all people, whos, like, famous for gotcha on a president ial level. Why did trump think it wouldnt end like this . Are you sure you want to do these interviews, mr. President . Oh, yeah, woodwards safe hes already used his gotcha on nixon. In the trump era, were constantly bombarded with scandal, so everything feels ephemeral, but this this should stick you cant dismiss this as some esoteric d. C. Obsession or some insider gossip nearly 200,000 of our fellow americans have died. Millions more have suffered. The president and everyone around him knew that would happen they did nothing and they lied about it in a just world, in a functioning democracy, all of these people would be shamed and banished from power for good a beautiful date to look forward to seth this has been a closer look. 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Seth it is it is seth but how is that possible what has he done what has trump done for the military well, he said this he did that. He did this and this and this. Dont you forget about that. Seth but those are all bad things he didnt say hes done good things for the military. He just said no one has done more. And hes right no one has done more for the military to make their lives worse. He said this he said that he said this and this and this dont you forget about that. Seth wait, that last one was a good thing it was a good thing but he didnt do it. He did but thats not all he also said this and this this, this, and this, and said that. He said he did this. But it turns out he did not. And dont you ever forget for a teeny second that that crazy old man did this and thiiiis. Seth wow, thats a lot so you done . Okay he did this he even said that. He did this. But most of all, he did this thats what he did seth thanks, amber well be right back with Michael Cohen. 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So if this Nissan Sentra isnt gonna compromise why should you . Youre right that a girl. The all new Nissan Sentra. With more standard safety features than any other car in its class. Seth im so glad fred armisen was here to lead the 8g band on our first week back in the studio and even though hes remote, i do feel better knowing hes kind of here. Thank you, fred. Our first guest was Donald Trumps personal attorney his book disloyal a memoir the true story of the former personal attorney to president donald j. Trump is available now. Please welcome to the show Michael Cohen. Michael, how how are you, seth . Seth im doing very well weve talked to a lot of people over the last six months who have been selfisolating but you are the first home confinement guest. And i want to talk a lot about the cond im breaking new grounds for you. Seth you are youre a trailblazer i want to talk about the books content, but im also sort of fascinated by the process. Because you did write this book in prison. Was that a conducive place to the writing process . And more importantly, did your fellow inmates know you were working on a book . So the answer to both questions is yes, it was conducive. I was working at the sewer treatment plant. And there was a lot of free time, believe it or not, so i would put myself into the electric room that had a small desk and on a yellow pad i would begin to write and at the end of each day, i would sit down with a group of my friends, inmates, like tony meatballs, andy cucumbers, stevie and herbie, and a whole group of guys. And we would get together in a cube usually it was mine, cube 28 and they would come for a reading. And i would read them different parts of the book that i was working on and it was just something that seth do please when you speak to him give tony meatballs my best. And i would also want to ask i know you were worried that a manuscript like this, obviously, a lot of people wanted to get their hands on it. You were worried that it would leak like, how do you protect Something Like that when youre basically, you know confined to a place where youre not in charge of your own materials, really youre not in charge of anything, to be honest with you. So there was a situation that took place i used to keep the manuscript under my mattress. And unfortunately, there was a little incident, and i knew i was going to be taken to the shu the solitary confinement, the and i was concerned that the cos, most of whom are Trump Supporters, that somebody would get ahold of it, see what it was, and then pass it along to somebody and so it was the day before passover and outside was the rabbi. He had the fire pit. And normally you burn the chametz, the bread, the night before and i took my manuscript and i dropped it into the fire pit to everybodys anger, but i did it anyway because i had to get rid of the manuscript. Seth i bet youre probably one of the few people that has used passover for that purpose, michael. A trailblazer in another way go passover seth so, michael, we our show interacted with you back in the early days of the Trump Campaign because we were in conversations about having him on as a guest. And one of the things that you reached out seth, can you believe seth, can you believe that was five years ago seth i truly cant i cant decide if it feels like yesterday or 1,000 years ago, though, because time is folding in on itself for me it doesnt seem the same yeah, for me it doesnt seem the same lots happened for me over five years. Seth yeah, exactly you probably didnt picture yourself working in a Sewage Treatment unit [ light laughter ] i went from one crap house to another. Seth very well played. Thank you seth by the way, im shocked to hear that working there you have a lot of downtime i guess thats one of the up sides of working in a Sewage Treatment unit so but i remember you reached out. One of the preconditions you had about or, one of Donald Trumps preconditions was that i would have to apologize for jokes i made at the white house Correspondents Dinner and im wondering if, in your time working for him, you often had to reach out on behalf of his ego when speaking on his behalf on a regular basis. It was unfortunately, it was on a very regular basis. And thank you for at least acknowledging that it was him directing me to do it, not me deciding to do it. Seth you you know, its interesting you say that as well, because in the book, to your credit, you do admit to taking a very active role. You were not just a passive bystander. You were, yes, following orders, but you knew they were the wrong thing to do and you did them anyway you speak about Trump Supporters and the sort of whole trump world as being like a cult youre obviously not in that cult anymore but you sort of exited the cult because of the legal situation you were in. Had that broken differently, had you not had those legal troubles, do you think its possible you would still be in the trump cult its very possible. I cant give you the answer to that because i can only speak from fact. And the fact of the matter is i was, for an interesting term, excommunicated from the trump cult, not on my own volition, as you stated, whether it was the legal proceeding or trump and cronies deciding that i should be the fall guy. But its very possible that i would still have been in that cult i am its the one thankful thing that i am for everything that has happened. Its given me an ability to amend with my wife, my daughter, my son, and actually the country, to make amends. Seth when we come back after the break, i do want to talk about some of the things that you sort of admit to having a great amount of regret for now but i did i did appreciate that you admit to the fact you did not have a come to jesus moment here. You were sort of kicked out, and it was then you reflected back and it is nice to read a book where there arent a ton of excuses. And when we come back, were going to talk more about that. Okay. Seth well be right back with more from Michael Cohen knowing who we are is hard. Its hard. Eliminate who you are not first, and youre going to find yourself where you need to be. The race is never over. The journey has no port. The adventure never ends, because we are always on the way. Has been amazing. Its not just a work environment. Everyone here is family. 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And i want to talk about the fact that you obviously had a longstanding relationship with trumps children and you mention in the book that in the early days of his campaign, they would come to you and ask him to get out of the race they also thought that his rhetoric early on was racist now, it does seem like they were not repulsed on a moral level, they were more worried about how it would hurt the trump brands, the clothing brands. What do you what have you observed from their sort of journey from being against his rhetoric to now seeming to be very fullthroated supporters of his . Its really a complete 180. When they first came to me, the three don, ivanka, and eric came to me this was post the initial launch of the campaign when he made the statements about mexicans. The very first reaction by univision was were pulling out from the trump doral, and it was costing the trump organization, between doral and other properties that they have, it was costing them tens of millions of dollars. And the kids came to me, and they stated, look, you know, youve got to get dad to stop this this is were going to be out of business. Very soon youll be the ceo of this company, and they are going to change the name to the rump organization. Seth now, i do want to ask this question of you right now but it is interesting if you look at it don jr. Has now become the spokesperson for the second amendment. And thats also, i believe, included trump hates guns right . And trump hated the fact that don and eric went to zimbabwe and that they killed a whole slew of animals. Could not understand how stupid that they could be to allow those photos to end up on the internet that, you know, you guys think that youre big, tough guys with a 10,000 gun that i ended up paying for, shooting, you know, an animal while youre sitting there. Many of us had to go there and explain to mr. Trump that they had licenses for it. That they did it the proper way. They werent illegally doing anything and that all of the meat was actually provided to villages that survived off of that he didnt care it didnt make a difference. He hates guns. And its just interesting that now don jr. , who was really considered the one child who had the worst judgment of any of his children, somehow managed to be front and center, specifically with the nra and talking trump i mean, its truly an amazing thing. Its something that hes wanted his whole life, acknowledgement from his father. Seth it does also amaze me that maybe where trump is most concerned about legality is in big game hunting yeah. Seth michael, obviously, youre aware of this, that a lot of people you say its important to write a book like this, because to understand the badness of donald trump, you have to hear directly from the bad guys who worked for him and did the bad things for him youre admitting to serving that role yet there are people questioning why you should be sort of hailed as an antitrump hero now after everything you have done like, what do you say to people who question the way youre being perceived now . So, first of all, ive never asked anybody to call me a hero, to the same extent i never asked anybody to call me the villain i have to make amends to my wife, my daughter, my son, and to this country. And as i stated once to George Stephanopoulos several years ago, my loyalty is to my family and to this country and it took me getting basically losing everything. I talk about this in the epilogue, that im broke and im broken and it took this sort of kick to really push me into acknowledging the things that i did and the loss of my moral compass for a man who lacks a moral compass on his own why i fell into the cult and how i fell into the cult, i really cant describe it adequately other than to say the 38 of this country, his base, including members of congress, are doing exactly the same thing that i did and im trying to say to them from one member of the cult to another, open up your eyes and acknowledge that trump doesnt care about you, he doesnt care about your family, he doesnt care about anything other than winning this election and, in essence, becoming an autocrat, which is what he wants to be seth you also in the book, you sort of admit to personally and sort of rabidly pushing the birtherism, um, you know, theory, for lack of a better term. As were having this sort of National Reckoning of race, i imagine it must be painful to acknowledge the role you served in putting a racist in the white house . Well, yes and one of the things i tried to do when i created the National Diversity coalition for trump was really to open up his eyes and understand that america is not white. America is a multiracial, multiethnic country. Were the melting pot. And he really needs to understand that. And so, i created this organization that really exploded in size and we had everybody from, you know, jews to christians, to muslims, black, white, brown, it encompassed everybody. And my hope was that by seeing his crowd, which is predominantly white, and it is to this day, that he would understand that if you want to win the election, you need to seek out the minority vote you need to understand that america, right, is not white and that, you know, they are an important voting bloc. They are important to this country. And i failed in that i failed miserably seth i was surprised to read, but also, appreciated the honesty, that you do still have affection for and care for President Trump. Yeah, its hard i guess the only way to describe it is the same way you have a parent that is somewhat abusive to you, and you still care about them but at least i recognize the person that im dealing with and again, all im just trying to do is to make amends and to allow the book to serve as a basis for people to understand this is the man that wants you to vote for him and to pull the lever on his behalf come election day and im giving you all of the inside information that you need in order to make the determination whether this man is really who you think is best for you and best for this country. Seth well, michael, i do wish you luck in your next chapter. And i want to read a quote from the book its really a beautiful piece of prose. I pe if theres anything they take away from the book, its this. Trump was fresh from the shower and hadnt done his hair yet [ light laughter ] as it was still air drying when his hair wasnt done, his strands of dyed golden hair reached below his shoulders along the right side of his head and on his back, like a balding allman brother or strungout old 60s hippy. Really, truly, beautiful prose seth, thank you very much for picking that part of the book out. Seth and i do recommend, everybody, when you buy the book, just go right to flipflop flap, because that is an incredible explanation of whats going on up there. Thank you so much for being here, michael. Disloyal is available now. Well be right back with music from sheryl crow jake from state farm, id like to formally extend my gratitude for the russell rate on my insurance. Do you mean surprisingly great rates from state farm . I dont believe in accepting help. But ill make an exception. Heres the deal russell, theres no special rate. These prices are for everyone. 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Theres a fly on the wall in the house on the hill where the king of the worl watches tv and the people all wait for his latest mandate to a nation of angry believers his words are a dru while his loyal band of thug cover up all his man transgressions the fly lands on his ea and whispers whats there to fear as long as youre still the obsession is it too late to turn back no too late to see the light do you think abou heaven and hel when you wake up at nigh do you ask yourself in the en did you feed the howd you treat them is it so hard to love in the en like you mean it like youve seen it you get bac what you giv in the end theres a man on a cros with his arms open wid and a tear that coul quench the worlds fires but his name is a shiel to the ones who would wiel their own power an greed and desire in the en did you need the howd you treat them is it so hard to love in the en like you mean it like youve seen it you get bac what you giv in the end in the end you only live onc or maybe you live twic depending on how wel you spent it you see karmas a dra you come back as a rat dodging traps set by your own descendants is it too late to turn back no too late to turn around you get one chanc in this life you can do the right thing or you can close your eyes in the en did you feed the howd you treat them is it so hard to love in the en like you mean it like youve seen it you get back what you giv in the end you can hear them you can fear the is it so hard to lov in the end like you mean i like youve seen i you give in the end you get bac what you give in the end oh in the en oh in the end seth my thanks to sheryl crow. In the end is out now, and her pair of virtual concert performances entitled songs from the big green barn will be broadcast live on september 18th and 19th go to livestream. Sherylcrow. Com for more info. Well be right back