Your perfect saturday night in. So why dont you crack open a cold bottle of beer, uncork a wine or fire up the kettle and lets get to work . Big stories , lets get to work . Big stories, big debate, big entertainment and a major celebrity in hot water. After the News Headlines and Aaron Armstrong. And Aaron Armstrong. Hi there. Very good evening to you. Im Aaron Armstrong in the gb newsroom. Well, the Eurovision Song Contest is underway in sweden , but it has underway in sweden, but it has been marred by allegations from inside the arena and ongoing protests outside of it. The netherlands entry used declined has been disqualified. The dutch broadcaster says it was over a threatening movement he made towards someone who was filming him, reportedly against his wishes. Him, reportedly against his wishes. Irelands him, reportedly against his wishes. Irelands entrant him, reportedly against his wishes. Irelands entrant bambie thug, has accused the israeli broadcaster kan of repeatedly breaking the rules regarding its commentary towards their act dufing commentary towards their act during the semi finals and the french artists. Slimani has broken eurovision rules on making political statements. It happened during his warm up with an on stage speech calling for peace. An on stage speech calling for peace. Meanwhile, peace. Meanwhile, pro palestinian demonstrators have been gathering outside the arena to protest about israels participation. Theyve been participation. Theyve been heard shouting free palestine and shame towards fans heading into the venue. A number of protesters, including the activist greta thunberg, have been forcibly detained and taken away by police. The israeli army away by police. The israeli army has issued new evacuation orders for various parts of the gaza strip as it expands its military operation. Residents in rafah have been told to move towards a so called expanded humanitarian zone on the west coast. Around 300,000 palestinians have already left. However, Israeli Forces have also told residents in northern gaza to temporarily evacuate following what they say are attempts by hamas to reassemble in the area. Its prompted fears of an assault on two fronts. The uk and its allies have warned israel against carrying out a military offensive in rafah. A 17 year offensive in rafah. A17 year old boy has died after getting into trouble while swimming in the town of wellingborough. The town of wellingborough. Ronald bell was recovered by rescue crews yesterday after reports that he got into difficulty in open water at the embankment, a Northamptonshire Police say it was a tragic accident and ronalds family have requested privacy at this very distressing time. A police very distressing time. A Police Officer has been shot in the leg with a crossbow in buckinghamshire. The officer was responding to reports of a stabbing in high wycombe last night. He was hospitalised but has since been released. A 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. He was shot by an armed officer. He remains in hospital under Police Supervision with potentially life changing injuries. Authorities in ibiza injuries. Authorities in ibiza and mallorca have issued a new booze ban in an effort to crack down on what they have called excessive tourism. The sale of alcohol in shops and off licences will be banned from 9 30 in the evening until 8 am. In popular hotspots like magaluf, playa de palma and sant antoni. There will also be antoni. There will also be further restrictions on party boats. Its all an attempt to kerb anti social behaviour and booze fuelled holidays following complaints from local people. Those who break the law could be fined up to £1,300. And if youre suffering a bout of regret from missing the rare display of the Northern Lights last night , display of the Northern Lights last night, well, dont worry, theres another opportunity later tonight. Aurora borealis will be visible in the skies across many parts of the uk. It may not be quite as pronounced as it was yesterday, but should still be visible if youre staying up well, a couple more hours should do it any time. After half ten. Well be best. Gb news alerts are available. You can scan the qr code on your screen or go to our website for more details. Thats the news. Now lets get back to the real business. Heres. Mark. Business. Heres. Mark. Thanks, aaron. Welcome to a busy mark dolan tonight. In the big story, former labour leader neil kinnock says the public do not love keir starmer. Does it matter . Do we need to actually like those who lead us . Ill be asking. Britains best known asking. Britains best known double act, the hamiltons, in a mock meat special world cup winning south african captain Francois Pienaar. Mr mandela would be very sad and very angry. There are certain things i hate in the movie up and then i couldnt drive home because its too far. So i slept in the car , the man so i slept in the car, the man who made history with Nelson Mandela tells his incredible story. Shortly in my take at ten. Why its time for the king and the country to forgive harry. Yes, indeed. Ill be dealing yes, indeed. Ill be dealing with harry at 10 00. Plus, its hard working Princess Anne, the jewel in the royal crown in reacting to those stories and many more. Tonight my top pundits, doctor Lisa Mckenzie, mike reid and Mark Littlewood. Mike reid and Mark Littlewood. Plus the most important part of the show your messages. They the show your messages. They come straight to my laptop. Gbnews. Com forward slash your essay and this show has a golden rule we dont do boring. Not on my watch. I just wont have it. A big two hours to come. Mark dolan tonight is your perfect saturday night in and we start with my big opinion. Katie with my big opinion. Katie price, the artist formerly known as jordan, is never out of the headunes. As jordan, is never out of the headlines. Back in the day, the headlines. Back in the day, the woman who pretty much single handedly invented the idea of being famous for being famous adorned the front cover of lads mags and her questionable Plastic Surgery journey and romantic highs and lows, have been selling papers for two decades as the human manifestation of an end of pier saucy postcard. This surgically enhanced star, who was once reportedly worth £60 million, has fallen on hard times and this weekend is on the front pages for all the wrong reasons. The press report that katie price has been priced out of her own home with an eviction notice served on her so called mucky mansion estate, a star of that scale of that fame potentially homeless. Many will read the story with amusement, as it is human nature to enjoy watching someone tumble from their pedestal. But as someone that pedestal. But as someone that actually knows katie price pretty well, i find the story tragic. Katie and i, we used to present a show together at the music station on fubar, and i found her to be a warm , found her to be a warm, entertaining, and hilarious co host. An astute media manipulator, she used to drop wild and highly personal bits of information about her private life on the show. Knowing that avaricious scribblers in fleet street would have these revelations published in seconds. When i was working with her, she lived for the headlines and understood that fame itself was her business model. But this was her business model. But this news of her eviction from her own home and her ongoing catastrophic finances is sad because it affects not only her, but her family, namely her five children, including her son harvey, who she has nurtured through physical and mental disability. Hes a great kid who has done well despite being blind and autistic. From where blind and autistic. From where i was standing all those years ago, katie price struck me as a devoted mother. I have no reason devoted mother. I have no reason to think that that has changed. Ultimately, i see katie price as the victim of an all consuming media machine, which chews up its stars and then spits them out in a manner not dissimilar to marilyn monroe. And as with to marilyn monroe. And as with marilyn, the men in katies life havent helped. It strikes me that many of her exes have taken more than they gave. Its my more than they gave. Its my view that she was used for sex and used for money, and used for fame. Now she has been foolish , fame. Now she has been foolish, reckless and at times her behaviour has been deeply wrong. The tax bills that havent been paid , driving a car when she paid, driving a car when she shouldnt, the drugs, the alcohol, the expensive holidays that she patently cant afford. This charismatic, cheeky, funny but flawed individual is her own worst enemy. But katie price is worst enemy. But katie price is not a bad person. She, in fact not a bad person. She, in fact is a Great British character and ihope is a Great British character and i hope that she can dig herself out of this current hole if she gets clean and finds a decent bloke. Happiness is possible and even a future career because she is highly entertained. Here she is highly entertained. Here she is highly entertained. Here she is appearing on this very show last year and making headlines as usual. Last year and making headlines as usual. This comes first, doesnt it . Well, yeah, like tonight , well, yeah, like tonight, literally, if you saw what ive got on underneath. In fact, i havent got anything on because ive just sorted harvey out. The kids are out there and im like, kids, youve got to be quiet while im on. Brilliant stuff. Katie price is nothing if not a survivor. So under estimate her at your peril. But it could go one of two ways. She may bounce back, but she may not. Which worries me. Ultimately, she needs to me. Ultimately, she needs to change and change fast. An change and change fast. An escape. The doom loop of bad life decisions. If she doesnt, life decisions. If she doesnt, katie will pay the ultimate price. Your reaction . Gbnews. Com price. Your reaction . Gbnews. Com forward slash your say. Ill get to your messages shortly, but first, tonights top pundits. We first, tonights top pundits. We have anarchist and senior lecturer, doctor Lisa Mckenzie. Lecturer, doctor Lisa Mckenzie. Im also delighted to say we have broadcasting legend mike reid and political policy guru Mark Littlewood. Great to have all three of you with me in the studio. Well, lisa, how do you solve a problem like katie pfice . I pfice . I dont think katie price is actually the problem. I think the problem is the way that the media or our society sees women. Actually, katie price is not the first woman thats been sort of sacrificed at the altar of the media. I mean , theres the film media. I mean, theres the film back to black Amy Winehouse about Amy Winehouse. You know what was she her own worst enemy . Was she was she the fault . Caroline flack, who, of course, took her own life. Caroline flack. We also had anna nicole smith, you know, this is this is im not saying its common, but i think it is common the way that society and media treat women. Youre either i mean, you know , the amount of i mean, you know, the amount of stick i get two bossy, two in your face. You know, when you come on this show. This show. Well, i come on this show or when i, you know, or in real life, right. As a woman, you are constantly judged. Constantly judged. Okay. I mean look mike reid, youve been at the heart of celebrity culture for decades. Do you think there is something wrong in the media, something poisonous there. Its eras tour. No, i mean i did the jungle with her. We did im a celebrity together when she and peter got together and went to the wedding, were you chaperoned . Did you were you matchmaker, no. But i was there when its all happening , and. And peter all happening, and. And peter said, oh, mate, i dont think she likes me. I said , its an she likes me. I said, its an old schoolyard game, peter. Shes playing hard to get. No, no, she doesnt like me. I said no, she doesnt like me. I said no, no, no, trust me, ended up at the wedding. But i think peter always listen to uncle mike. Wasnt a good wedding, by the way. I went to the wedding. Yeah, and then when they split up, peter said, could you do all the tv for us . Because i really dont want to do it. I said, you know what happened, but i think peter would have kept her on the straight and narrow. Peter is a very decent, very good, very hard working guy. Very talented quy hard working guy. Very talented guy. I think if theyd stuck together, he might have kept her on. I think you need another person in your life. Thats not as you were saying, not somebody thats taking from her. Somebody thats taking from her. Somebody thats giving as well. Somebody thats giving as well. Somebody thats saying, look, lets sit down and talk about this. You know, the driving situation, this situation, because she can make money. I mean, shes got the book. Shes got her talent , the book. Shes got her talent, shes got appearances. Theres no reason why she cant go out and make an awful lot of money. But you need a partner thats going to actually keep you on the straight and narrow that youre going to listen to, is there a problem with celebrity culture mark in this country . Is it exploitative . Does it chew people up and spit them out . Well, perhaps it does, mark. But you said in your piece at the top of the show, you know, or well , ive never met her, but or well, ive never met her, but shes a Brilliant Media manipulator. But shes a Brilliant Media manipulator. But actually, her manipulator. But actually, her career was largely based on her manipulating the media, not the media manipulating her. That can come back to bite you. I mean, l, come back to bite you. I mean, i, i am very sceptical about anyone who wants to build their life around being famous for being famous , as you suggested. Being famous, as you suggested. But shes shes ridden this horse , shes written this wave, horse, shes written this wave, and mike mentions her books. I was looking up. Shes one of the was looking up. Shes one of the best selling, writers of books over the last ten years because shes famous. Shes the new charles dickens. Yeah well, not possibly on quantum, not necessarily on quantity , but she necessarily on quantity, but she has, you know, she has milked this. I dont blame her for that. But it seems she has had more breast implants than charles dickens. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Most definitely. Most definitely. Oh, he was famously flat chested. Mark. This dovetails with politics which has become a bit of a celebrity game itself, particularly the likes of donald trump and boris johnson, who who had cut through not just as politicians but as public figures. And its vital to do that if youre trying to win. What is it, 14 million votes or something . To win an election, you need cut through with people. You need to be famous. Politicians need to be famous. And i know youre discussing later. Do they need to be liked . They probably need to be liked, but they definitely need to be known. They need to be media manipulators too. There you go. Well, this is my top pundits return shortly. But next up in return shortly. But next up in the big story, former labour leader neil kinnock says the pubuc leader neil kinnock says the public do not love kie starmer. Doesit public do not love kie starmer. Does it matter . Do we need to like those who lead us . Ill be asking. Britains best known political double act, the hamiltons. Next. Well, the reality star, katie price is to face eviction from her mucky mansion. I know katie price very well. We did a radio show together. I think its very show together. I think its very sad. And it says a lot about how the media chews up celebrities and spits them out. But not too much sympathy on the message board. Gb news. Com your say katie price says helen has been bankrupt so many times , yet she bankrupt so many times, yet she always has money to splash. Maybe she does not need help. Personally, i think that shes a victim of her own making, thats from helen, who is a gb news member. Also so ive already got tongues wagging about my take at ten. Yes, in 40 minutes time, ill be tackling prince harry. I think its time for the king. And the country to forgive harry. But already youre getting in there early with your disagreements. Hi mark. I think disagreements. Hi mark. Ithink that the royal family are currently absolutely right to keep their distance from prince harry. Sadly, he cannot be trusted and as long as his situation remains, it is best he stays in the usa. Well, ill be tackling harry at 10 00 in my take at ten. You wont want to. Take at ten. You wont want to. Miss it, but lots more to get through. Its time for the big story. And this evening the former leader of the labour party, neil kinnock, has cast some doubt on labours chances at the next election. Whilst he said he remains hopeful for a positive result. The public havent made their mind up about the party and dont love sir keir starmer yet, but does that matter . Do we need to like those who lead us . Lets get reaction from my pundits before we speak to the hamiltons. Weve got the brilliant broadcaster and academic doctor, Lisa Mckenzie, mike reid and Mark Littlewood. What do you think about this mark . Do we need to love our leaders . You dont need to love them or like them, mark, but i think you probably need to respect them and trust them. But the other thing to bear in mind is, of course, politics is basically a zero sum game. Youll find that elections are often not won by somebody whos loved or admired, but simply by the candidate whos disliked the least. And it seems to me that this is pretty much keir starmer of the labour partys strategy. Of the labour partys strategy. Its a bit like a football match between two very poor teams. One between two very poor teams. One of them is still going to win and keir starmer doesnt need to be liked to be prime minister. He just needs to be more respected and trusted than rishi sunak. Thats the only thing that will be on his mind. Mike reid, do you think politicians have to be loved, or do they just have to be good at theirjob . Their job . I think theirjob . I think everybody likes to be loved, dont they . I think if youre if you go to a restaurant that serves great food , you love that serves great food, you love the food. But if the restaurateur is ghastly , you restaurateur is ghastly, you probably dont go back. So i think it is good to be loved if youre at the helm of something, it certainly helps. It certainly helps galvanise the people around you. As i always said, the best captain is not necessarily the best batsman or bowler or highest goal scorer. Its the one that galvanises the rest of the team , and the rest rest of the team, and the rest of the team want to get behind them and believe in them. Like a robert e lee or somebody like that. You actually inspire the people around you. Thats what you need. Okay, now the good news is the hamiltons are ready to go. But lisa, before i speak to neil and christine, do you think that Keir Starmers lack of popularity as an individual could do for him at the next election, i dont think its going to do for him, but i actually agree with neil kinnock. Hes not loved. I dont think hes even liked, im not sure how much the labour party is even liked, but they are less despised than the tories. Despised than the tories. Well, that thats certainly one way of putting it. Lets get reaction now from britains best known political double act, the extremely lovable Hamiltons Neil and christine. Now, neil, youve beenin christine. Now, neil, youve been in politics for a long time. Youre currently chairs, youre currently leader neil, of a National Political party. Ukip do leaders need to be loved . Well, it helps , i suppose, well, it helps, i suppose, but i dont think a desire to be loved is going to be in the forefront of the mind of a successful leader in politics. What really matters is the ideas youve got and the way you execute them, and whether you improve peoples lives. And they then recognise what youve done for them. And Margaret Thatcher didnt obsess about being liked and loved , but she changed the and loved, but she changed the world or helped to change the world. John major did obsess about being liked and loved, and he was a complete and utter flop, and, but in the case of keir starmer and rishi sunak , keir starmer and rishi sunak, neither of them has the slightest, connect with the ordinary voter. The ordinary voter thinks theyre both completely irrelevant. Theyre kind of celluloid characters. Or rather, theyre more particularly, theyre hologram. Particularly, theyre hologram. So you can put your hand right through them. As far as most people are concerned, theyre charisma free zones. Well, definitely. Definitely. I want to ask you, christine, what is more important in politics and in government competence or charisma, well, thats the difficult question. Whether its, competence ought to be like, theres no question. Obviously its competence, but competence or charisma, if youve got both, then youve got it made. And the last person who had both was Margaret Thatcher, in my view. And actually tony blair had it. Tony blair had competence and charisma. I didnt didnt agree. Sorry with a lot of what he did. But he he was for his purposes. He was competent and charismatic. Now i mean weve got solid porridge havent we . I mean, does does rishi sunak inspire you to do anything to go out and fight for your country . Not really. Does your country . Not really. Does soonen your country . Not really. Does sooner. Does starmer know starmer is not going to win on either people believing in his competence or people attracted by his charisma . Starmer is going to win, as he probably will, because people dont want rishi. Its time for a change and that is an incredibly powerful force. Time for a change. And starmer , who change. And starmer, who frankly, hes almost a charisma free vote zone. The people with charisma in the labour party are, i mean, frankly, lets be honest, theyre the people like angela rayner. And honest, theyre the people like angela rayner. And im not quite sure whats happened to her, by the way, on the house front, any news on that . Still waiting. Still waiting. Still waiting. Day 377 of that particular drama. Of course, supporters of drama. Of course, supporters of keir starmer would argue hes incredibly loved. Hes incredibly loved. Hes incredibly popular. Just look at those opinion polls. And now, neil, you served under Margaret Thatcher from 1983. She wasnt always loved. She was a controversial figure. But she controversial figure. But she won three elections with a landslide. What does that tell us . Well, it tells us that given the circumstances in which those elections were fought at the end of the cold war, she managed to transform the british economy by taming the unions, by cutting taxes, doing all the things that traditionally the tories expected to do. The trouble with this lot is theyve not acted like conservatives at all. They completely failed right across the political landscape. And neil, just to just to interrupt you, im old enough to remember when Margaret Thatcher was in power and she was willing to be unpopular, and she was unpopular between elections and her ratings often fell very low. But it didnt seem to impact the outcome. No. Well, thats absolutely right. You know , after the 1979 right. You know, after the 1979 election, the government changed course dramatically from the winter of discontent and the utter failure of the 1970s. Under heath and then wilson and then callaghan, and it wasnt until the falklands war that the opinion polls turned decisively in Margaret Thatchers favour in 1981, famously, there were 364 world famous economists who said that the government was completely wrong about the policies that they were pursuing. And within days, i suppose, they were disproved. And then the falklands war happenedin and then the falklands war happened in 1983. She won with a majority of 144. I was one of those who was part of that majority, and again in 87, she won another famous victory , vie. Won another famous victory, vie. But, you know, she didnt really she wasnt entirely uncalculating as a politician, obviously , but she ultimately obviously, but she ultimately knew what the most important things were to achieve. And she things were to achieve. And she pursued those objectives against every possible, abuse. And, and imprecation that was thrown at her. And thats what we lack with our current generation of politicians. They obsessing about social media, obsessing about social media, obsessing about opinion polls. Theyre obsessing about whatever happens to be the latest fashion. We to be the latest fashion. We dont what is the difference, actually, between the modern conservative party and Keir Starmers labour party . I mean, Starmers Labour Party . I mean, starmer is thrown every possible labour policy overboard so he can fight the election on no policies at all. And the conservative party has virtually no policies either, so theres really no difference between the two parties. There is no choice. No, no, thats democracy. No, no, thats democracy. Christine, ive only got a couple of seconds left. I dont think keir starmer is loved yet, but Neil Hamilton very loved in the country and at home. Whats his secret . Oh, dont be absurd, mark. We are very aware that were marmite. For heavens sake. Marmite. For heavens sake. I dont think so. I think youre i think youre strawberry jam. Jam. No. Im bovril. No. Im bovril. Shut up. Youve had your. Hes had his turn. I thought he said im bog roll. Youre not that bad. Oh, he did. He doesnt understand the marmite he has loved most of the time, so well leave it. I think we better leave it. I think we better leave it. I think we better leave it at that , christine. Leave it at that, christine. Great to see you. Neil. Christina. Well catch up soon. The hamiltons, theyre, suggesting that actually keir starmer is not very popular, but will still likely win the next election. Let me know your thoughts. Gbnews. Com forward slash your say, next up, as the bbc protects a sculpture made by a paedophile, can you separate art from the artist . And is it okay to still enjoy the work of people who have gone on to become disgraced . Well debate become disgraced . Well debate that next. Because they needed money. Because they needed money. Welcome back. Listen, dont forget that. At 10 00, ill be tackling the prince harry story. I think the punishment beatings have got to stop. I think its time for the king and the country to forgive harry. You dont agree . Strong opinions already coming in on email. We havent had the taker ten yet. But, this from graham, who says when harry came over straight after finding out about his father , it was meghan that sent father, it was meghan that sent him over gene says mark, of course we should forgive harry and meghan and sandra says harry and meghan and sandra says harry and his wife made their choice and his wife made their choice and should stay in america. The king has made the right decision. Well, its all things, harry. For my take, at ten in just half an hours time. And dont forget iconic south african rugby superstar Francois Pienaar, the man who made history with Nelson Mandela is my mark menzies guest in a couple of minutes. But first, the bbc has sparked controversy by moving to protect a controversial statue by paedophile sculptor eric gill after it was vandalised outside. The daily mail newspaper revealed that the bosses at the corporations have lodged a planning application for a protective screen after carrying out costly repairs to the prospero and ariel carving. The statue, which is displayed on the outside of the bbcs london headquarters, has been attacked by protesters twice in the last two years. So is it wrong to attack the statue, given that it was created by a paedophile . Was created by a paedophile . Should it remain . Can you separate art from the artist and is it okay to still enjoy the work of people who have gone on to become disgraced . Lets ask my top pundits Lisa Mckenzie, mike reid and Mark Littlewood. Mike, what do you think about this . You were at the beeb for many years. You youve walked past that statue hundreds of times. Yeah, but they must have. They must have had access to those diaries since 1943. So. And now its 2024, is it just a thing . For example, you know, thing . For example, you know, when oscar was transported back from reading gaol, people were throwing things at him on, on the platform. Oscar wilde. Yeah. The platform. Oscar wilde. Yeah. And they were chucking things out. That wouldnt happen now, but its where you get on and off the roundabout. I think it separating, you know, the art from the artist. Now, if they from the artist. Now, if they discovered that a guy that designed 50 high rise blocks was a paedophile, would they pull the blocks down if they discovered the guy that tarmacked most of the roads in england . Was it . Would they pull the roads up . No, of course they wouldnt, do you think its okay to still enjoy those sculptures . To still enjoy those sculptures . Because they are iconic and world famous . People enjoy them. Id have probably walked in and not noticed, to be honest. Whether people actually enjoy a sculpture or whether it just happens to be there, i dont know. Mark littlewood, are you still enjoying gary glitters greatest hits . Well , this is the thing i was well, this is the thing i was going to say. You can always split the art from the artist, but i think in some cases thats pretty tricky, right . For a singer, for example. Right. Or a brilliantly charismatic television presenter. God bless you. You cant really split your you. You cant really split your art from you. But in the case of sculpture for yes, for sure. And theres one, another character, historical character comes to mind for me , h. P. Historical character comes to mind for me , hp. Lovecraft was mind for me, hp. Lovecraft was a horror writer 100 years ago. By some measurement, the best horror writer of all time to say that he has somewhat unfashionable and controversial views on race would be an understatement. Yeah, but the understatement. Yeah, but the idea we should ban this horror literature, which has just influenced that part of culture for over 100 years, is crazy. So for over 100 years, is crazy. So sculpture, sculpting, writing, it seems to me you can split the art from the artist singing television , presenting little television, presenting little harder, i see. What do you think about this, lisa . Well, i read a book about eric gill. Actually, i was just interested in him. And, you know, he did write in detail what he was doing to his daughters. And actually, that statue is often protested by tommy robinson. Its tommy robinson, usually protests against that statue, what do i think . Well, i was recently in vienna, i was at a conference and there was a statue of, the past mayor who was the mayor, and he was happily exporting jews out of vienna. And what theyve done with that statue is theyve done with that statue is theyve left it. People have he sent jews to their certain death . Yeah. I mean, and theyve got theyve got sort of a plaque next to it saying, this is whoever he was, he was the mayor, he was a fascist. He was anti semite. He sent jews to their death and they also put however, he really loved the austrian countryside and was very good at looking after the countryside. Yeah. So theyd got this. It was great with children and dogs, but theyd got this plaque. And then people had had sort of defaced it and written things on it, and i thought that was a much better way, because you were you got to make your own mind up about that. Yeah. A terrible fascist, but a lovely singing voice, mike read , lovely singing voice, mike read, would you play Michael Jackson if you were on the radio . Michael, this weekend hasnt been convicted of anything, as far as i know, what about what about the sort of reputation that he had on his passing . You can judge a reputation otherwise. You know, we start becoming what we hate other countries for. You know, you start eradicating your own history. And we used to point a finger at russia for doing that. And now we started doing it. He hasnt been convicted. He hasnt been charged. He might just be one of those people that like, thats a child himself. I dont know with with gary glitter, he did a program once and the conclusion was we love the music, but we dont like the guy very much. Right. Was that before the revelations came out . Oh, no, it was after the revelations after when people say, why dont you play gary glitter . Because the musics good and the opinion of most of the listeners was, we dont like the listeners was, we dont like the man, but we do like the music. But briefly, gary glitter still makes many thousands of poundsin still makes many thousands of pounds in royalties around the world, doesnt he . I dont think hes played much here in the uk, but abroad hes still popular. Is that ethically a problem, do you think, mike . Well, if theyre playing, you cant stop. You cant tell other countries should his music be on these streaming platforms . These streaming platforms . Thats a difficult one because all those all those giant companies, the youtubes and the googles and what have you are their own masters. What do you think . What do you think . Well, oasis sampled, gary. Gary glitters, and so he gets paid every time that song is played. Okay. And also so lets just throw this other thing in is do we still use eric gills font . Okay. So thats an important question, but listen, folks, coming up in my take at ten, why its coming up in my take at ten, why wsfime coming up in my take at ten, why its time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. Plus his hard working princess and the jewel in the royal crown. But next, in a mock meat special, the man who made history with Nelson Mandela, world cup hero francois in just 20 minutes time. In my take at ten. Why . Its time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. Plus is hard working. Princess anne, the hard working. Princess anne, the jewel in the royal crown. But first, mark meets. And this first, mark meets. And this evening, Legendary South African rugby player Francois Pienaar, who played flanker for the spfingboks who played flanker for the springboks from 1993 until 1996, winning 29 international caps, all of them as captain. In one all of them as captain. In one of many career highlights, pienaar led south africa to victory in the 1995 Rugby World Cup. One of the iconic moments of that victory was south african president Nelson Mandela , wearing a springboks jersey beafing , wearing a springboks jersey bearing pienaars number, presenting him with the webb ellis cup, demonstrating just how far south africa had come since the years of apartheid. Well, i caught up with the great man earlier, Francois Pienaar , man earlier, Francois Pienaar, welcome to mark dolan tonight. Tell me about your childhood growing up in south africa and how that shaped the person you became, i was born in vereeniging , which is an vereeniging, which is an Industrial Town just south of johannesburg. My dad was a steel johannesburg. My dad was a steel worker, so we grew up in the steel belt, and there were three towns there called the vaal triangle. Now vanderbijlpark and sasolburg was part of that vaal triangle. So i grew up in that area, went to an all white school, spoke predominantly afrikaans. Of course, we had english, as a subject, but our engush english, as a subject, but our english was just very , very english was just very, very poon english was just very, very poor. And i grew up, you know, playing sports and studying, in this apartheid south africa that, i was oblivious of as a young kid. Lets go back to that world cup victory in 1995. South africa were the underdogs, werent they . I dont actually like that because i dont think we were. I think people were mistaken how quickly we, we grew as a team, beafing quickly we, we grew as a team, bearing in mind that we were not allowed to play International Rugby because of the bans, because of apartheid, understandably so, but we learned quickly we were divided in south africa quite a bit in terms of culture. And i mentioned the afrikaans was, you know, the english also played rugby. And so if you. So we rugby. And so if you. So we needed to understand how to play together and form a united culture because you cant win any world cup if you dont have any world cup if you dont have a dominant, strong culture with people, know each other and have been successful. So the team been successful. So the team that formed the nucleus of that 95 team, i was fortunate enough to captain all the lions and we were very successful leading up to the world cup , but the global to the world cup, but the global media didnt make us favourites, you know , we were not even given you know, we were not even given a chance to make the quarter finals. Finals. Lets talk about that moment that mandela presented you with the webb ellis cup. Why was it so significant that thats the most special moment ever, for a sportsman. And i was just so blessed, mr mandela , everybody blessed, mr mandela, Everybody Knows his story. I was fortunate enough to form a relationship with him. And, when he handed me with him. And, when he handed me the trophy, it was just. The words were crazy. He said to me, thank you. Francois for what youve done for the country. And i said to him, no, thank you, mr mandela, what you have done for the country, i mean exactly the same words. And i wanted to hug him. I should have it was so emotional. I mean, ill never forget his smile, and heres this man that that was in in prison for 27 years and comes out and has forgiveness in his heart and embraces the sport that was the white man sport under apartheid. And it the under apartheid. And it the stories are well told that when the team came to play, if england came to play south africa and, the non white people would definitely not support the springboks, they would support the opposition. And because of him and because of that whole world cup, things changed. It was it was crazy what happened after the final whistle and months and years and almost, you know, 29 years later , im still know, 29 years later, im still reminded on a daily basis of how special that day was for south africa. Youve even had a film made about you, the Clint Eastwood movie invictus, and you were played by matt damon , no less. Played by matt damon, no less. Were you happy with that casting . Of course. Of course. Of course. I think youre much more handsome than he is. Handsome than he is. Thank you so much for that. Thank you so much for that. I had the pleasure of meeting him and Morgan Freeman and Clint Eastwood. I had no influence in the movie whatsoever , but just the movie whatsoever, but just got to know them, and, they certain things i hate in the movie. And theres some things that i really like , but we cant that i really like, but we cant give mr mandela enough credit. You know, it wasnt for him. The country would not have been united. I mean , the scenes ive united. I mean, the scenes ive seen afterwards, we were in the changing room. In those days, changing room. In those days, you didnt warm up on the field. It was still the amateur day. So you got stuck in this sweaty depee infested changing room waiting for the game. And youre so anxious to go on and you would hear the shouting outside , would hear the shouting outside, and you know that that stadium was packed predominantly by, well, 99. 9 by White South Africans , predominantly africans, predominantly afrikaners. And ive seen the videos afterwards. We didnt experience that. When mr mandela walked out and that whole crowd shouted his name. Nelson. Nelson nelson. Its extraordinary. Its amazing. Amazing. Youve said that you were shielded from it when you were young. So shielded from it when you were young. So at what point did you realise that apartheid was happening . As you say, as a kid you insulated the culture, was that you were never part of the conversation. You know, children were. Yeah, were seen playing in the garden and never heard. You never were part of that, conversation. So when i went to conversation. So when i went to university then then, i mean, i was south africa was a powder keg, it was in the, mid to late 80s. And the students came and uprising. There was a lot of debates and disagreements and angen debates and disagreements and anger, amongst White South Africans. And this is something i experienced for the first time. And you think about these things and you start participating in these conversations. I participating in these conversations. I mean, i still dont know why in 1986, i went to coach a black team in soweto, jabulani high school. I just had this. I just wanted to do this , this. I just wanted to do this, and understand and see where south africa is going. And the south africa is going. And the conversations were about mr mandela. You know, hes going to be released from prison. And that just divided , the white that just divided, the White South Africans to it was bizarre. It was it was scary. And it was needed because south africa needed to change. Now, how lucky am i . And im a student. Then i get to play for my country. And then theres a world cup that comes to south africa. I get an opportunity to meet one of the greatest leaders the world has ever seen. When he became president , 30 years ago yesterday, 30 years ago, he became president of south africa. And to share a platform where he hands me this trophy and say those words, its just, you know, im, im very much probably the most fortunate, blessed sportsman. Blessed sportsman. After your success with the south African National team , you south African National team, you came over to the uk where you became player coach at saracens and you had plenty of success. A trophy and several strong league performances. How did you adapt to life in britain . To life in britain . It was tough because, you know, we came from an amateur era, we got paid money in an envelope after the game. There was always these, rumours going, rumours going around that we were on contracts such that we got, we got a stipend, after the match, which was , for a student, match, which was, for a student, quite a bit. So you could take a lady out to dinner and buy a beer or a glass of wine, but our facilities is incredible. I mean, really incredible. Its world class, and i arrive. I dont know where to stay. People suggest surrey is a nice place. So we rented a place in surrey. Didnt do my homework. Saracens were training at bramley road in enfield at ten in the morning and at seven at night, so i had to leave before seven to take the m25. Then i arrive at where they say saracens is. So theres a couple of fields and a shed, and i stopped and i said, where saracens. I said, no, this is saracens. I said, no, this is saracens. What. And people we saracens. What. And people we had to go and people were walking their dogs on the, on the rugby fields before the training. So we had to go and clean. Its like you cant make clean. Its like you cant make this up. And then i couldnt drive home because its too far. So i slept in the car over lunch, drove around a bit to see the area and then the clouds opened up. I mean, it started bucketing down with rain. The field was muddy even before training. And then you training this mud, and then you go and shower and the it was like four little shower heads, like in a toilet chain. And i just toilet chain. And i just decided, no, i cant do this. I got into the car with my muddy clothes and drove back all the way m25. I got back at about half 11, so that wasnt a nice start. It was tough. It was start. It was tough. It was tough adapting, but we did. We met some incredible people, had some incredible times and just, that was a journey that taught me so much, about life and about people, you know, im becoming the one of the first ever player coaches was not easy. How do you do this . So, weve made great friends there , our children were friends there, our children were born there. We love. We loved london. I mean, we absolutely loved london. Its such a special, special place that you can do so much now , francois, i can do so much now, francois, i understand that you are once again living in your native south africa. Is the promise of Nelson Mandela and his legacy being fulfilled . No. Why not . Fulfilled . No. Why not . Because the anc is failing the people of south africa. Its the people of south africa. Its as simple as that. Is it a question of political corruption or incompetence or both . Both . Theres a list, definitely. Corruption is part of it, kleptocrats . Why is nobody in jail . You know, the Zondo Commission fingered a lot of corruption and nobodys in jail, the poor people of our country are suffering. So mr mandela are suffering. So mr mandela would be very sad. And very angry. Now, you are a towering figure in sporting terms and in cultural terms. What is next for you . Do you have any Unfinished Business being old . You dont. Look, im getting old. No, theres ive got a foundation that i started , its foundation that i started, its mandela esque. I started at 21 years ago. That is my passion. But i still have my businesses in south africa, one of which actually doing really well in unearthing talent. Actually doing really well in unearthing talent. So we started unearthing talent. So we started the University Rugby competition 16 years ago, and 50 of the players that played in last years Rugby World Cup winning team, the springbok winning team played in the competition that that that we started, so that that that we started, so that thatis that that we started, so that that is wonderful to see how that is wonderful to see how that grows. So i go to work in the morning and come back in the evenings and on weekends. The morning and come back in the evenings and on weekends. What evenings and on weekends. What we do in south africa when its not raining, we have a barbecue. Not raining, we have a barbecue. Francois pienaar, thank you so much forjoining us on mark dolan tonight. So much forjoining us on mark dolan tonight. What a humbling dolan tonight. What a humbling interview. Such an interesting guy who is a cultural and sporting figure. In that moment sporting figure. In that moment with him and mandela at the final was, it was truly epic. And what a shame whats happened to south africa in the years since. Now, coming up in the 10 00 hour, tomorrows papers hot off the press and in my take at ten. Why, its time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. Plus is hard working princess. And the jewel in the royal crown. See you in two. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast from the met office. Looking ahead to tonight, most of us it should be dry and that gives us another opportunity to see the Northern Lights. So at the moment we have got High Pressure clinging on. But that will move towards the continent as we go through the next few days, heralding a change to the weather. But before we get there, plenty of clear skies tonight away from the eastern seaboard. So yeah, an excellent seaboard. So yeah, an excellent opportunity to see the Northern Lights, especially across more northern parts of the country. And despite the clear skies, its going to be a mild night for most of us. Temperatures in towns and cities firmly in double figures. So for most of us, a bright start on sunday morning , quite murky across some morning, quite murky across some northern and eastern areas. But the low cloud will gradually burn its way back towards the nonh burn its way back towards the north sea, showers breaking out fairly early on across parts of northern ireland. And then as the day goes on, parts of scotland, wales, england down towards the very far south west, seeing a few thunderstorms developing. Some of these will be torrential. Warnings are in force as we go through the course of sunday. In the sunshine, though, temperatures reaching 27 degrees. But then on to monday , another band of rain to monday, another band of rain moves in from the southwest. That takes a fair time to get anywhere further north then wales in the southwest. So for the rest of us, its a day of sunny spells and scattered showers that sets us up for a fairly changeable middle part of the week, with temperatures returning to something a little bit near normal for the time of yeah looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news as well well. Well. Its10 00. On television. On radio and online, in the United Kingdom and across the world. This is mark dolan tonight. Kingdom and across the world. This is mark dolan tonight. Why . This is mark dolan tonight. Why . Its time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. Plus is hard working. Princess plus is hard working. Princess anne, the jewel in the royal crown. And ill get reaction from the queen of us royal reporting. Kinsey schofield. Reporting. Kinsey schofield. Also tonight we will discuss Princess Anne. Do you think she should be upgraded by the king to a more senior role . Is she to a more senior role . Is she the finest figure in the royal family since the late great Queen Elizabeth the second . Also tonight in the last word, legendary coronation street actor Charlie Lawson will be looking at the big stories of the day and giving it both barrels. A packed show, lots to barrels. A packed show, lots to get through. Prince harry next get through. Prince harry next in my take at ten, you wont want to miss it. Im not pulling my punches. But first, the news headunes my punches. But first, the News Headlines and Aaron Armstrong. Hello. Very good evening to you. Im Aaron Armstrong, tory defector Natalie Elphicke has been accused of lobbying the justice secretary in 2020 to interfere in her then husbands criminal sex offences trial. Sir Robert Buckland told the sunday times the mp approached him when he was lord chancellor and justice secretary, ahead of charlie elphicks hearing. She allegedly told sir robert it was unfair. The case was the first to be heard in court after the covid lockdown, and that it was being overseen by Lady Justice Whipple, a Labour Party Spokesman has said she totally rejects the characterisation of the meeting. United by music. The meeting. United by music. Thats the eurovision slogan. But the build up to tonights final has been anything but united. Amid allegations inside the arena and protests outside the arena and protests outside the netherlands. Entry us kleins been disqualified, the dutch broadcaster says it was over a threatening movement he made towards someone filming him. Someone from the Production Team reportedly against his wishes. Irelands entrant bambie thug has accused the israeli broadcaster kan of repeatedly breaking the rules regarding its commentary towards their act. Dufing commentary towards their act. During the semi finals and the french act. Slimani has broken eurovision rules on making political statements. It was done during the warm up with an onstage speech calling for peace. Meanwhile, outside pro palestinian demonstrators have once again been gathering in malmo and theyve been outside the arena two to protest about israels participation in the contest. Theyve been heard shouting free palestine and shame towards fans heading into the venue. Several protesters, including the activist greta thunberg, have been forcibly detained and taken away by police. Tens of thousands of police. Tens of thousands of palestinians have been fleeing rafah in anticipation of an expected israeli assault on southern gaza. Long lines have been seen on roads leading out of rafah, with people carrying possessions and taking any mode of transport available. Theyve been told to move to a so called expanded, expanded humanitarian zone on the west coast. Its prompted fears of a wider invasion of rafah, despite calls for restraint from the un, the uk and other allies and humanitarian organisations. As humanitarian organisations. As elsewhere, residents in northern gaza have also been told to evacuate, signalling fresh offensives against hamas. Months offensives against hamas. Months after the idf declared victory in the area. A 17 year old boy in the area. A 17 year old boy has died after getting into trouble while swimming in the town of wellingborough. Ronald bell was recovered by rescue crews yesterday after getting into difficulty in open water at the embankment. Northamptonshire police say it was a tragic accident and ronalds family have requested privacy at this distressing time. A police distressing time. A Police Officer has been shot in the leg with a crossbow in buckinghamshire. The officer was responding to reports of a stabbing in high wycombe last night. He was hospitalised but has since been released. A 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and was shot by an armed officer. Hes now in hospital under Police Supervision with potentially life changing injuries. Now british injuries. Now british holidaymakers heading to majorca or ibiza this summer may have to rethink their plans, or at least their alcohol consumption. Authorities on parts of the Balearic Islands are trying to crack down on excessive drinking and boozy behaviour in some of the tourist hotspots by banning off sales of alcohol from 930 in the evening to 8 am. Authorities have also banned party boats from sailing within one nautical mile of certain destinations. The move is one nautical mile of certain destinations. The move is in response to complaints by locals in magaluf , san antone and playa in magaluf, san antone and playa de palma. Finally, if youre de palma. Finally, if youre regretting missing last nights display of the Northern Lights, well, dont worry, in about half an hour youll have another opportunity. Aurora borealis will be visible once again across the uk. It may not be quite as pronounced as it was yesterday. The advice bring your phone. Make sure you get your settings right to take the picture. Thats how youll see it best. And any time after half past ten should be good. You can keep up to date with all of our stories by scanning the qr code on your screen for gb news alerts. Our website also has the details. Now its back to. Mark. Details. Now its back to. Mark. My thanks to our Anne Armstrong , who is absolutely armstrong, who is absolutely furious this evening because hes had to cancel his holiday to magaluf. Welcome to mark dolan. Tonight is Princess Anne, dolan. Tonight is Princess Anne, the jewel in the royal crown . Ill be asking. Queen of royal reporting. Kinsey schofield, and do the last word. Legendary coronation street actor Charlie Lawson will be looking at the big stories of the day and giving it both barrels and reacting to the big stories of the night. Doctor Lisa Mckenzie, mike reid and Mark Littlewood. Mike reid and Mark Littlewood. Plus, sundays front pages are packed. Our those papers are on packed. Our those papers are on their way. But first, my take at ten. God knows prince harry and ihave ten. God knows prince harry and i have had our differences. We know how he has behaved over the last few years. Hes been guilty of immaturity , vie, selfishness of immaturity, vie, selfishness and treachery and whilst all men should take responsibility in life and face the consequences of their actions, i feel in the case of harry windsor, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction , and now the other direction, and now prince harry is being overly punished. Yes, the book spare was an egregious assault on his own family for money. The Oprah Winfrey interview was a slander on our monarchy, particularly the wild accusation of racism on which the sussexes later backtracked. Of course they did. The podcast interview, in which harry more or less said that charles was a rubbish dad, was needless and hurtful and untrue. Charles did his best under difficult circumstances. Harry shared intimate details about a fight with his own brother, which should have stayed behind four walls. He described his elegant and dignified stepmother, queen camilla, as dangerous and a villain, and he has waged a war on our world renowned free press. Theres renowned free press. Theres nothing more unseemly than an out of touch, wealthy aristocrats trying to silence our revered National Newspaper titles. Who is harry to do that . This is a man born into a world of untold privilege and fortune, purely because he was conceived in the right womb. He won the uterus lottery, but he is not above scrutiny. And ive had a bit of heat for calling out harry and meghan in the past for their appalling behaviour. Well, forgive me for holding powerful pubuc forgive me for holding powerful public figures to account. I didnt realise that millionaire actresses and princes were the latest protected class. Well, theyre not protected here, not on my watch. But at this moment in time, im beginning to feel protected of harry himself. Im deeply shocked that on his visit to the uk this week for a service to celebrate ten years of the Invictus Games and an inspiring event that he founded, harry was not granted an audience with his own father. Audience with his own father. Now charles is battling cancer. How must harry feel not to be able to give his own dad a hug and ask him about his progress . Harry might be old school, wanting to pop round with a bottle of lucozade and a bag of grapes just to cheer the old man up for charles to snub his own son. In this way strikes me as a punishment disproportionate to the crime. How ill is charles . Im praying for a speedy recovery, but god knows how long theyve got left together. None of us have got long. Really. Life is short and in a needless slight to his youngest son, charles has reportedly reduced harry to tears by granting a military aviation honour on william , even though its harry william, even though its harry who famously flew planes in two tours of duty in afghanistan. Tours of duty in afghanistan. Talking about kicking. Talk about kicking a guy when hes down. And why hasnt charles stepped in to make sure that his own son is safe and has top level armed Royal Security when hes in britain . Yes harry walked away from his country and the monarchy and his public role , but at no point did harry choose to be the kings son, which sadly does make him a target. The court of Public Opinion has ruled on harry, and he has served his punishment. He has served his punishment. With his reputation in this country in tatters and something of a laughing stock in the United States , trapped in United States, trapped in a relationship which looks more like a hostage situation than a marriage, harry has paid a mighty price. Hes lost his family , hes lost his country, family, hes lost his country, and now he doesnt even have a proper bodyguard when he travels around london. I worry for harrys safety, and i worry for his sanity too. I think hes suffered enough and his mental and physical well being is now a priority. After all, this is the same human being who had to follow his mothers hearse at her own funeral at the age of just 12. I admire the king greatly , but it was wrong not to greatly, but it was wrong not to see harry this week. William is see harry this week. William is consumed with rage, which i fear will never dissipate. Thats brothers for you. But charles, as harrys father and the head of the family , should know of the family, should know better. Its time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. The war in gaza is like a minor scuffle compared to whats happening in the royal family at the moment. My message to charles is a simple one declare a ceasefire to meet the enemy. Build a future together and give peace a chance. What and give peace a chance. What you dont do is tell your own son to piss. Off. You dont do is tell your own son to piss. Off. Your you dont do is tell your own son to piss. Off. Your reaction son to piss. Off. Your reaction gbnews. Com yoursay say i suspect many of you wont agree. Ill get to your views in just a moment. But first, my top punst moment. But first, my top pundits anarchist and senior lecturer, doctor Lisa Mckenzie, broadcasting legend mike reid and the brilliant, exceptional policy guru Mark Littlewood. Let policy guru Mark Littlewood. Let me start with you, mark. What do you think . I believe that the punishment beatings on prince harry have got to stop. Youre far too forgiving a man, mark, if i may say so. Far, far too forgiving , far too nice. Far too forgiving, far too nice. Look, i dont think that forgiveness should be never given. But has he done anything to seek forgiveness . Has he offered a full apology to his family, to his brother, to the king not at all. And i think until harry makes that move and apologises and actually says, i wish to bring things back together, then the king has precious, precious little choice. You just said brilliantly all of the damage that he has caused the royal family to his own monetary, gain and benefit from which he can presumably pay for his own security guards. So i would like to see this patched up, but i think the first move has to come from harry. Not from the king. And he seems extremely unwilling to make that first move, as does his wife, but just on a human level. Lisa mckenzie. This is prince harry, whose father is battling canceh harry, whose father is battling cancer. He comes to the capital there, three miles apart, and they dont meet. Well, welcome to families. Thats what happens in, you know, thats what happens in lots of families. But i am torn lots of families. But i am torn on this. As you know, im a republican. I dont want these republican. I dont want these people you know, i dont want them. I dont want them as leaders as the uk. You dont want them larging it in palaces at the taxpayers expense . Expense . No, not at all. So im torn. On one hand, im glad that we got rid of two of them to america. I think more should go. On the other hand, let him come back because hes a walking hand grenade. I mean , he could do grenade. I mean, he could do more damage to the royal family than the ira would have ever dreamed of, actually. So perhaps let him back. Let him back and sort of, let him let him let him and his wife do what they do best and sort of upset everybody in there. So i mean, im torn. Really . Yeah. I quite like your idea of shipping the minor royals off to the United States. They could probably just walk across the border. In the south. But let me ask you what you think about this , mike reid, think about this, mike reid, because i think blood is thicker than water. I think its time for forgiveness, particularly given that a key family member, king charles, is gravely unwell. King charles, is gravely unwell. Yeah, well, lisa will be in the tower by midnight, yeah, well, lisa will be in the tower by midnight , clearly the tower by midnight, clearly bleeding. Republican. Which is not a pub, by the way. Yeah we talk about him as a pariah. We you know, if wed had television back in the days of henry the eighth, will we be discussing the tens of thousands of deaths that he was responsible for, im not sure about the word forgiveness, im not sure what there is actually to forgive. I think, like any family, they should sit down and have a conversation. Nothing to do with us. But william and charles and harry sit down and have a sensible conversation. As adults, how do you come back . How do you fit in . What do you do . Where are you going . Are you going to work with the military again, have a sensible conversation. Not an instant. Conversation. Not an instant. Youre forgiven. Come back now. Youre forgiven. Come back now. You have a proper family conversation about it. Mike. Mike. Read briefly. Do you think king charles was wrong not to meet his son this week . He was wrong. He was wrong. Sorry not to meet his son this week , its difficult to this week, its difficult to criticise someone else. Say where they were wrong or whether they were right, you have to make a decision. You have advisors, its difficult for us. Big Mark Littlewood. Big Mark Littlewood. I dont need advisors to meet my kids. If i was ill, theyll be visiting me. Thats reasonable. Thats your decision to take, i will be king one day, so watch out. Well, well, theyre no doubt youll be. They are. Youll be buried in taxes. Id like to. Id like to. Id like to. Id like to see a civil war between the waleses and the sussexes. The point is this, isnt it . Harry . Shot first. If you want a ceasefire, he needs to be the one to call it this. Well, listen, folks , weve well, listen, folks, weve got more reaction to my take at ten with the queen of royal reporting Kinsey Schofield plus lots of other big stories from the United States and is Princess Anne the jewel in the royal crown . Does she deserve a right royal upgrade . Well discuss all of that next. Well, a huge reaction to my take at ten. I admire king charles greatly. I think it was very wrong for him not to meet his son, prince harry. This week, this from lisa. Mark king charles has cancer. He cant risk his own health by meeting his toxic son. He may have been given that advice by medics, margaret says i think mark is doing this deliberately. Hes winding us up, listen , margaret, winding us up, listen, margaret, ive got a foot in both camps. Im furious about what harry has done. Look at all of my take at tens for the last 2 or 3 years. But i think youve got to draw a line. I think the punishment beatings have got to stop. Lastly on this mark in sorry, johnin lastly on this mark in sorry, john in falmouth, whos a gb news member, says, hi, mark, working or not, doesnt change prince harrys value as a target for terrorists. So he should have the best protection we can provide. After all, he is a prince of the realm, brilliant stuff. Look. Thank you folks. Stuff. Look. Thank you folks. More of your opinions to come a developing story, folks. The papers are on their way, but tomorrows mail on sunday. Take a look at this scoop, folks. Turn coat mp asked minister to pull strings for husbands sex abuse trial a labour mp who defected from the tories has been accused of trying to exert improper influence over her ex husbands Sexual Assault trial by personally lobby thing the justice secretary, listen , the justice secretary, listen, folks, were going to cover this in depth at 1030. This of course, is Natalie Elphicke, the leader of the opposition. Keir starmer posed for a gleeful photo with Natalie Elphicke. Because, of course, keir starmer loves a photo op. But some have questioned his judgement about having such a right wing conservative in the labour party. Well, this is going to make matters worse because now allegations that she tried to influence the outcome of a sex abuse trial involving her now ex husband. What a story. Abuse trial involving her now ex husband. What a story. Well ex husband. What a story. Well cover that at 1030. But first, more reaction to my take at ten inches the company of the queen of american showbiz, royal and political reporting, Kinsey Schofield. Kinsey, i think it is time for the country and the king to forgive prince harry. What have you done with my marky mark . Who is this person . I do think that the king, im a deep fake. Its a deep fake. Its a deep fake. I. I this is a this is a mask. You can see the line just there. All right. Exactly. Well, i do think that the king should engagein do think that the king should engage in peace talks once prince harry does some maturing, he is, you know, completely self serving, a perpetual victim, which we saw in that statement that you referenced while he was in the uk. He has no respect for his elders , no no respect for his elders, no respect for the institution and a questionable relationship with the truth. He has remained defiant in detrimental throughout the illness and death of prince philip. The death of Queen Elizabeth and the devastating cancer revelations from both king charles and catherine, the princess of wales , harry is untrustworthy, and his delusions of grandeur are reckless, and he remains a liability to the future of the monarchy. So he still has some growing up to do. Mark but i understand what youre saying. Its devastating to watch it all unfold. Unfold. And was it wrong of the king not to grant him an audience, even five minutes for a hug . After all, our monarch is battling cancer. I mean, i think what were giving prince harry a lot of credit by taking his word for why they didnt have a meeting. The king hasnt commented on why they didnt meet. We are all reacting to a press release sent out by prince harrys team and who says he wanted to calm speculation. Well, where was that desire to calm speculation when omid scobie accused your father of racism at the end of last year . So i just think that that whole release was entirely self serving to, you know, cater to the victimhood narrative that hes done such a good job of building in the states , lets building in the states, lets talk now about harry and meghans international trip. Are they still cashing in on the royal family and the royal name . I think i think in general, yes. The objective of this trip is to appear like they are still on the level of the real working royals. As you said a few royals. As you said a few minutes ago, theyve become a joke in the states specifically, but also in the uk. And they need to improve their image for the sussex brand as a whole, you know, i mean, it was, you know, despite being stripped of his military titles, mark, by the late Queen Elizabeth, prince harry in nigeria was seen inspecting the troops. This is inspecting the troops. This is odd. Hes not a working member of the royal family. Thats something he would have done ten years ago. And to quote the daily beast, they say the king is never going to endorse a hostile rival royal operation. And i think that that is exactly what we see with harry and meghan and the objective, again, is to monetise off of those connections , can we talk about connections, can we talk about the kings remarkable sister , the kings remarkable sister, Princess Anne, who i consider a chip off the old block in terms of her late great mother, Queen Elizabeth the second . Is she the jewel in the royal crown . I think you just need to come out and say you have a crush on her. Because every time you talk about her, i see cartoon hearts fly out of here. Shes a babe. I mean, she is, by the way. She is a very elegant woman and was absolutely stunning in her younger years and is still a very, very fine lady. Dodi. Shes not wasteful, is she . Shes. Shes sensible. Well, she shes. Shes sensible. Well, she recycles outfits. Shes no nonsense. Exactly like her dear mum. Yeah. The Princess Royal is an excellent role model. I mean, she stays above the fray. Her objectives are clear and her heart is always in the right place. Shes so beautifully british in the blunt way that she communicates. Yeah. And shes, you know, she she is a wonderful example of a life of service. If i could spend the day with anyone aside from Prince William and catherine, it would be Princess Anne, because she is just like you said, no nonsense. And i think her work nonsense. And i think her work ethic is you cant compete. Its unbelievable. Well, indeed, a journalist at the telegraph followed her for a few days and was exhausted by the end. This journalist, half the end. This journalist, half Princess Annes age. Princess annes age. Oh yeah. I imagine its like that the second or third day of going to the gym for the first time in a long time, feeling where youre like, everything huns where youre like, everything hurts and i am tired. Shes on trains, shes on planes, shes in automobiles, shes good humoured. Do you shes good humoured. Do you think she deserves some kind of upgrade . Could she have a new title such as . I dont know, deputy monarch or something . She absolutely could, but i think whats so special about her is that she doesnt like the attention , she wants to stay attention, she wants to stay below the radar and get the job done. And that is a very admirable quality. And it lets admirable quality. And it lets you know that she her intentions are pure, that shes there to represent the, the, the, the blessing that she was born into. And she wants to elevate those causes that shes working for. And thats what she goes to sleep at night worried about the next day. How can i what can i do to make this thing better . Shes not worried about if her picture was on the front page of a paper, or what designer is going to dress her. They dont make them like that anymore, do they . And kinsey, they dont make him like you. Cant kinsey, they dont make him like you. Cant wait to catch up in a weeks time. My thanks to the queen of us showbiz, royal and political reporting Kinsey Schofield. Check out her brilliant podcast to die for. Daly and her website of the same name folks. Lots more to get through. Ive got to tell you through. Ive got to tell you that producer jack has been through. Ive got to tell you that producerjack has been in with this front page. Ill go old school. There you go. Ill show you the printout. Because im a bit analogue. Anyway, turncoat mp asked minister to pull strings for husbands sex abuse trial. This is Keir Starmers latest recruit, Natalie Elphicke , in hot water Natalie Elphicke, in hot water over allegations she tried to influence a sex abuse trial. Influence a sex abuse trial. Full reaction and tomorrows papers with my pundits next. Its 1030, so its time for next. Its1030, so its time for this. And we start with this explosive story in the mail on sunday. And it is as follows. Turncoat mp asks minister to pull strings for husbands sex abuse trial a labour mp who defected from the tories, Natalie Elphicke, has been accused of trying to exert improper influence over her ex husbands sex assault trial by personally lobbying the justice secretary, Natalie Elphicke, whos switched to sir Keir Starmers party last week, triggered a fierce labour backlash. Faces claims that she backlash. Faces claims that she complained to sir Robert Buckland about the judge, who is due to preside over charlie elphicks 2020 trial for sexually assaulting two women. Now these are just allegations at the moment that are being published in the mail on sunday. We are sharing these reported allegations and the paper has been told that when Natalie Elphicke made objections about Lady Justice Whipple, sir robert furiously pointed out it would be wrong for him to interfere here. So look more on this shocking Political Development in just a moment with my pundits. But lets move on to the sunday mirror now. Star opens up on struggles , helen opens up on struggles, helen flanagan, my psychosis. Hell former coronation street star says she had a mental and physical breakdown after failing to properly process her split from her long term partner, scott sinclair. Very sad story. Scott sinclair. Very sad story. Ihappened scott sinclair. Very sad story. I happened to have worked with her as well. Ive worked with all the glamorous people, havent i . And shes a very nice lady and i hope shes able to put her life back together. Sunday telegraph, now Civil Service diversity roles to be scrapped a ban on hiring staff dedicated to inclusion in efforts to end the politicisation of the Civil Service by the back door. Labours eyes in sky to tax big gardens. The Welsh Government is gardens. The Welsh Government is using satellites to spy on homeowners with big gardens as it seeks to overhaul council tax. Welcome to socialism, folks and dogs off the leash will be seized if they attack livestock. Heres the other story , heres the other story, Important Development there. I think youll agree. The observer now. Terrified families flee now. Terrified families flee rafah as israel set to open all out assault and tory defector was bitter at not getting ministerial job. Tory defector Natalie Elphicke stormed out of the party and joined labour because she was bitter about being denied a ministerial job. Although a good looking at that mail on sunday headline, that story might be the least of her concerns. Now, of course, concerns. Now, of course, Natalie Elphicke not here to defend herself and would likely deny those allegations. The sunday express , now labours sunday express, now labours £225 council tax bombshell, labours pledged to boost trade union rights would cost the average household an extra £225 average household an extra £225 a year in council tax. A new fair pay agreements championed by angela rayner, was branded an act of economic self harm that would fuel inflation and leave workers worse off. The partys deputy leader has made a cast iron commitment to strengthen the hand of unions within the first 100 days of winning power, may god help us and the daily star sunday throbs exclusive strictly come dancing game shots and the kicking leg tv judge Craig Revel Horwood is desperate to see a dance star on this years strictly teen hero , luke. Years strictly teen hero, luke. The luke littler has got to be their top target game on. There you are. Those are your front pages. Lets get reaction now from tonights top pundits for ringside action. We have anarchist and senior lecturer doctor Lisa Mckenzie broadcasting legend, journalist, author and presenter mike reid and the brilliant, excellent policy guru and political broadcaster Mark Littlewood. Okay folks, lots of stories to sink our teeth into, mark, what about this, story here in the sunday express . Labours £225 council tax bombshell. Britain has been in the grip of industrial action. Strike chaos under labour. Its only going to get worse. I fear thats right. Weve also worth pointing out, although im a member of the conservative party myself, im embarrassed to say that after 14 years of tory rule, weve got the highest tax burden since the second world war, more or less. And i fear that if labour do form the next government, theyre going to dial that up even higher. And of course, when you see these things that sound like a great idea, a fairer pay deal for people working for local councils , someones got to local councils, someones got to pick up the tab. I dont know how these calculations have been worked out, but the tab will be picked up by Council Taxpayers for £200 a year, on top of the highest tax burden since the 19405. Highest tax burden since the 1940s. Madness yeah. I mean, what do you think about this, lisa . Because obviously what labour are trying to do is boost workers rights to make sure people get a fair deal at work. But the concern is its inflationary. Itll add extra costs to business, possibly lead to unemployment as well. Will it to unemployment as well. Will it do more harm than good . One of those well intentioned policies that backfires . No, i dont think so. And im looking at this article and theres no references here. I dont know where theyve got this from. Theyve just sort of this from. Theyve just sort of seem to have made this £225. Lets not forget that council tax is very regressive. The you know, you can live in £1 billion house and youre still only going to pay the same amount as somebody whos living in a £650,000 house. So its a very regressive i know. I wonder whether we should have Something Like, i dont know, mark, a community charge. Well, that was on a headcount. Straight headcount. Well we dont want that. Well we dont want that. It is, it is. It is, it is. That was a poll. That was a poll. It was a poll tax, a straight headcount. Although i mean, everybody gets the same services. But the thing is, why did the tories bring in the poll tax . What could possibly go wrong. Well i mean that was that was basically brought down Margaret Thatcher, didnt it, way back in the day, its worth remembering though, although council tax, youre right, are very, very expensive. House will only pay paying expensive. House will only pay paying the same amount as a pretty expensive house. We rake all of that in an inheritance tax and stuff when people pass on and die. So the rich do contribute a vast amount of tax revenue in the United Kingdom. If you just look like income tax, the top 1 of earners now pay a tax, the top 1 of earners now pay a quarter of all income tax receipts. That we should be receipts. That we should be applauding them and thanking them. Well, im not vilifying well, im not going to be smashed all the windows in Regent Street and oxford street. Do you think youre smashing other poll taxpayers windows . Other poll taxpayers windows . Yeah, you most certainly are at all. Listen, mike, let me get your reaction to this extraordinary developing story in the mail on sunday. And it relates to somebody that was, at least for a few minutes. Mike read a feather in Keir Starmers cap. Now, this is the defecting conservative mp who, of course is Natalie Elphicke, who has was a conservative and a pretty right wing conservative member of the erg, supporter of the rwanda plan. Shes now a labour mp , but it seems the honeymoon mp, but it seems the honeymoon is over. The allegation , is over. The allegation, reported in the mail on sunday, is that elphicke pulled strings or tried to pull strings in relation to her husbands sex abuse trial. Now we cant get too deep into the weeds of the detail of this story, Natalie Elphicke is not here to defend herself, but its not a good look, is it . For keir starmer either way, no its not, but at the moment people are trying to make it not a good look for either side in the run to in the ghost election whenever it is. But surely these days, whenever you do anything like this , go to somebody, try to this, go to somebody, try to pull strings, go in the back d00h pull strings, go in the back door. Its going to make the press, its going to make the media, you know that. And its not going to look good for you. Youre not going to keep it a secret because nothings kept a secret. Now its all out there. Well, some will argue, lisa, that this reflects Keir Starmers poor lack of judgement to accept a very right wing conservative into the party in the first place. Ive thought about this because i cant quite understand what hes doing with it. Is he sort of saying to the tory voters, look, im actually with you , and just hoping that the you, and just hoping that the labour vote wont collapse , or labour vote wont collapse, or is it just absolute poor judgement and a misstep because it doesnt seem no one seems to be happy with this. Do they know the labour . Correct. You know, no one is. Neil kinnock has criticised the decision to accept his party, but it is right to criticise because a Political Party should or would once did stand for something. Yeah, and it seems to me now that there are no Political Parties that stand for anything. Parties that stand for anything. Well, i think Mark Littlewood, this is classic starmer, which is poor political judgement and opportunism rolled into one was a bit like that, wasnt it . I think this is probably the weirdest political defection in our lifetimes. I mean , usually our lifetimes. I mean, usually you would expect it sort of, you know, left leaning wet tory mps who might join labour or blairite, labour mps who might leave the labour party under corbyn. This is absolutely bizarre. Shes one of the most right wing conservatives in parliament. And ill tell you what i mean. They thought theyd pulled off a coup by announcing it at pmqs, you know, trying to catch the conservatives off guard. A bit of a stunt. Fair enough. You get those in politics, but ill tell you what, i think the long term impact of this might be. Labour was hoping that there would be a stream of further conservatives about to defect to them, and that they could roll them out. Maybe i dont know who it might be, but no, another half dozen or so i suspect the backlash over this might make those who are disgruntled conservatives decide they still want to have a blue rosette and not switch to having a red one. Didnt Oswald Mosley actually leave the labour party to the conservatives . Is that right . Conservatives . Is that right . Yeah. I conservatives . Is that right . Yeah. I mean, Oswald Mosley was in the labour party at some point. Yeah. I mean, i think there is some history of madness. Is it, mark . Is it, mark . Is it somehow politically unethical to change parties in a sitting parliament . Is it is it that wrong . Should it be prohibited . No , i dont think it should no, i dont think it should be prohibited. There are some people who think the moral thing to do if you switch parties is to call a by election. I can imagine circumstances. However, if, i mean, supposing you defected because the Party Platform you ran on, the government hadnt carried that out. You could be true to your principles if Something Like that occurred. I mean, we saw a couple of tory mps defect to ukip back in the day to try and force a referendum. The one thats weird referendum. The one thats weird about this is that she must have had a complete road to damascus experience. I mean, of beyond sort like. Well, i think i think sort like. Well, i think i think what she did for the labour party, i think maybe she like the beatles in the 60s, perhaps she went to india and tried some mind altering stuff. Thats the best explanation ive heard so far. Fah yeah, yeah, because im told she bought a sitar on ebay, mike reid, i used to play sitar. Well, listen, youre multi talented. Youre a polymath. Lets be honest with you. Youre a composer as well, by the way. You can do everything, but lets. Youre affirming that. Youre affirming that. Can we look at whats behind this . Is this a hit job on the part of the daily mail or the mail on sunday in partnership with the conservative party . Could well be. I mean, if you look at the express just now, you know, the teams that are lining up to actually pitch against either party, yeah. Its difficult to know when the election is how far ahead you hit them with his pr things. How much are people forgotten by the end of the year . Yeah, really . End of the year . Yeah, really . Is it . Theyre throwing darts at the target right now, but is that going to drift . Mike, youre also historian. Youve got a nose for a story. Is this what the americans would call a nothing burger . Call a nothing burger . A nothing burger . A nothing burger . I love it, you know, because what weve got is hearsay. What weve got is hearsay. He said. She said, yeah, and the details of the allegations are that elphicke made objections about Lady Justice Whipple to sir Robert Buckland. Whipple to sir Robert Buckland. The allegation is, he pointed out, it would be wrong for him to interfere. Therefore he did not interfere. Therefore, nothing to see here, guv. Its a very british politicians story, isnt it . Yeah. You know lady, lady whipple and its true. Lord buckingham, p. G. Whipple and its true. Lord buckingham, pg. Wodehouse , buckingham, pg. Wodehouse, isnt it . It is a very british political scandal. But there is something to see here, mark. Right. Because youre right, natalie. Elphicke isnt here to defend herself. I havent seen what comments shes made, but theres no suggestion Robert Buckland did anything wrong here. He was approached if his story straight. He said, theres no way i can touch this. But Natalie Elphicke would have done something very seriously wrong. If this is true, she was trying to use her lobbying power to affect the judicial, but would it just be inappropriate rather than anything more serious than that . I think its a parliamentary standards issue , you know. Standards issue, you know. Do you know what im thinking . Im thinking about people in nottinghamshire where i live. And would they care about this . No, they will not. They will care about the bus service. They will care about the health service. This will be this will people will not care about that. Would that be a headline . They just gloss over until the next . Do the people that you know who are the people that matter . Its my viewers and listeners. Do they care about diversity . Because in the sunday telegraph, lisa, Civil Service, diversity roles to be scrapped . Is that a good or a bad piece of news . I think where i live, which is in the red wall, i think people feel that there has been a great unfairness regarding them , and we are talking about them, and we are talking about working class people. So when we talk about diversity, they know that its not them that theyre talking about. That its not them that theyre talking about. But, so i think so they dont feel that diversity really means diversity. It doesnt mean diversity. It doesnt mean diversity. It doesnt it doesnt include them. No, it doesnt. And we know that. I mean, you and we know that. I mean, you know, i live in the ex mining communities, and people know that they have been completely overlooked. Their kids dont get overlooked. Their kids dont get any chances, you know, we dont even have bus routes. So how can we have social mobility when you cant even get anywhere . And would you how would you characterise these excluded groups from the diversity project . Are they simply sort of project . Are they simply sort of poor working class white folk or what is what is the what is the profile . Mostly were where i live in sort of the industrial parts of nottinghamshire or the industrial parts of the country. They are White Working Class people. People. Yeah. Yeah. Well, heres the issue, mark. It was a diversity in principle is a very important and valuable thing. But diversity policies seem to be quite non diverse, quite exclusionary. If you look quite exclusionary. If you look at the take up of university places from working class whites, for example, thats the lowest cohort in the country. Lowest cohort in the country. Vie. But there doesnt seem to be much focus on that. Yeah, and this is the problem. If you allow this to develop, you get a kind of to race the bottom on victimhood with various different cohorts trying to argue that they need a leg up. I read this headline and punched the air mark until, however, i got to paragraph four. These roles might be scrapped , but all of these scrapped, but all of these people are going to be transferred into Human Resources teams. God spare us and theyll be doing the same thing by stealth, werent they . Exactly. So this seems to me shuffling of deckchairs rather than mike. By the way, just to let you know, i dont want to be rude, but you are the diversity hire tonight, so thank you for taking a range of boxes. Archewell two is me. Archewell two is me. No, mikes got it for being dashing, handsome , of course. Dashing, handsome, of course. The finest broadcaster in the country at radio and tv legend mike read, the brilliant Mark Littlewood and Lisa Mckenzie are back in just a moment. Plus more newspaper front pages. And let me tell you, weve got reaction to some of the other big stories of the day in the company of our last word guest, legendary corrie actor Charlie Lawson, who, let me tell you, is giving it both barrels. Greg, can i it both barrels. Greg, can i mention the e word or not . Okay, see you in two. Charlie lawson. Waiting in the wings. A quick look at tomorrows sunday times. And they lead with elphick. Natalie. Elphicke asked lord chancellor for favour over husbands trial. For favour over husbands trial. A story well be tackling in greater detail on tomorrows mark dolan tonight, but, folks, listen, the e word that i mentioned to greg just a moment ago is eurovision. Thats right. Weve stayed off the subject because its happening tonight, and id much rather you tackled the big stories of the day with me rather than watching that rubbish. But let me bring you up to date all the performers have now done their songs and the voting has begun. Its not clear at the moment who will win , but at the moment who will win, but how about this . Israels eurovision star eden golan. It was very beautiful and talented young woman. Receive served a mix of cheers and loud boos as she performed on stage after gaza demonstrators tried to storm the show. Lets get reaction from a man who is a consummate performer himself and would never be shouted down. Coronation street star Charlie Lawson , charlie, what do you lawson, charlie, what do you make of the mindless thugs booing the israeli entry . Booing the israeli entry . Well, look, its basically bullying, you know what i mean, the irony doesnt escape me that, the last musical festival that, the last musical festival that the people outside this hall are purporting to support and in other words, hamas, never mind what they want to have to do to israel, and never mind this young girl they might want to do to her. But the irony hasnt escaped me that the other musical festival that happened at but , and musical festival that happened at but, and also i spoke to one of my, im sure mike is aware of this, and im sure everybody is aware of the fact that eurovision is has a massive gay following. And thats thats wonderful. Thats great. Ive spoke to a couple of my friends, gay friends from the next village, and they were saying, if the people of gaza could get hold of half the people in eurovision , theyd be thrown off eurovision, theyd be thrown off a freaking building, so theres a freaking building, so theres a lot of sort of. Look, these demonstrate are going on and, you know, even in southern ireland, not not a country that ireland, not not a country that i would agree with an awful lot, but i know for a certain fact that, you know , they are not that, you know, they are not far. Right. You know what fah right. You know what i mean . And, so these demonstrate but also, as we know well know, mark, the demonstrations over here will be full of bloody extinction rebellions and stop the frigging oil , because the frigging oil, because theyre just. Thats what they do. Theyre just protest, you know what i mean . A shower of god knows what. I couldnt say what . Well, listen, you could do because were past the watershed , so knock yourself out. Charlie. Listen, i understand youve had a look at Olly Alexanders song. Youve listened to it , does he get a listened to it, does he get a thumbs up from you . Is it a hit . Well yeah, its a its a crock of. And. But what about the. What about the bloody irish talking about the bloody irish talking about my friends from the from southern ireland . I mean, what the name of god is . Are they up to. You know what i mean . Its just they wouldnt last five minutes. And gaza. I have to tell them. But anyway, there you go. Youve rendered me speechless. I mean, ill apologise to anyone offended. That said, you wont need an apology if you heard the song, it wasnt great, listen, charlie, lets bring in my pundits very briefly, if we can. Lisa, mike and mark and, mike, listen, youre a music impresario. One of the countrys best known radio djs. What do best known radio djs. What do you make of the scenes over there in malmo . You know, the Gaza Protests and a woman on stage being booed . Well, its become a circus. It started out as a songwriting contest, which ive always advocated being. Again, it should be about the songs. Thats what it was about. We know theres always a bit of political voting. We know that political voting. We know that that that always happens, but it should be about the songs. It should be about the songs. It should be about unity, about people getting together and forgetting their differences, forgetting their differences, for that moment, for eurovision. For that moment, for eurovision. But it seems to have got more bizarre, more circus like, as its gone on and less about the songs, sadly. And we got Great British songwriters. Weve got some great ones, but they probably dont want to touch it for fear of getting, bashed , or for fear of getting, bashed, or whatever reason. But its a shame because weve got some great songwriters and our songs are rather weak of late , briefly. Lisa, do you do you, still listen to and look at eurovision . Do you care about it . No, i dont think ive watched it since abba was on, actually. Oh my goodness. When i was a child, i used to enjoy it. I think people have got a right to protest and they are allowed to protest and they are allowed to protest. I dont think you can hold one girl responsible for her government. Yes, mark, very briefly, a couple of seconds. Is it wrong for israel to participate in this competition this year . This competition this year . No, of course not. No, of course not. Of course i havent listened to any of the songs, but i might vote for israel on the way home. This is always been political, hasnt it, mark . Its always been. Was it a couple of years ago, ukraine won, i think otherwise the United Kingdom might have won two years ago. I mean, fine, but people were just using this to send a message of support. So i wish it was as mike suggested, actually, about songs, but unfortunately, its been about politics. Charlie lawson, we have really missed having you on the show. Sorry its so tight tonight, but well get you back very shortly. Say hi to your gay village mates and well catch up soon. And ive apologised to everybody offended by Charlie Lawson saying that the uk offering was a crock of , well, offering was a crock of, well, the bad stuff, tomorrow night on mark dolan tonight, Edwina Currie live in the studio tory mp lisa mccarron, cameron and mark meats. See you in two. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast from the met office. Looking ahead to tonight, most of us it should be dry and that gives us another opportunity to see the Northern Lights. So at the moment we have got High Pressure clinging on. But that will move towards the continent as we go through the next few days, heralding a change to the weather. But before we get there, plenty of clear skies tonight away from the eastern seaboard. So yeah, an excellent opportunity to see the Northern Lights, especially across more northern parts of the country. And despite the clear skies, its going to be a mild night for most of us. Temperatures in towns and cities firmly in double figures. So for most of us, a bright start on sunday morning, quite murky across some northern and eastern areas. But the low cloud will gradually burn its way back towards the nonh burn its way back towards the north sea. Showers breaking out fairly early on across parts of northern ireland. And then as the day goes on, parts of scotland, wales, england, down towards the very far south west, seeing a few thunderstorms developing, some of these will be torrential. Warnings are in force as we go through the course of sunday. In the sunshine, though temperatures reaching 27 degrees. But then on to monday , another band of rain to monday, another band of rain moves in from the southwest. That takes a fair time to get anywhere further north then wales in the southwest. So for the rest of us, its a day of sunny spells and scattered showers that sets us up for a fairly changeable middle part of the week, with temperatures returning to something a little bit near normal for the time of year. Yeah looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Its 11 00. Gb news. Its11 00. Im Aaron Armstrong in the gb newsroom. New labour mp Natalie Elphicke has been accused of lobbying ministers in an attempt to interfere in her former husbands Sexual Assault case. Then justice secretary Robert Buckland alleges she asked him to move the 2020 trial of Charlie Elphicke to a lower profile court , apparently to profile court, apparently to spare him public scrutiny. Mr elphicke ended the marriage when her husband was convicted of sexually assaulting two women and jailed for two years. A Labour Party Spokesman says she totally rejects the characterisation of the meeting. Miss elphicke defected from the conservatives to labour last week. A ban on jobs dedicated to week. A ban on jobs dedicated to equality, diversity and inclusion in the Civil Service has been announced. Writing in the sunday telegraph, cabinet minister esther mcvey claims pubuc minister esther mcvey claims public money is being wasted. Shes described as woke hobby horses under the new plans, there would be no more devoted, inclusive jobs in whitehall, outside hr and no more staff working solely on diversity related projects. Ms mcvey said the amount of staff time taken up the amount of staff time taken p by the amount of staff time taken up by diversity programmes was, quote, a major concern united by music. That is the eurovision slogan. But the build up to slogan. But the build up to tonights final has been anything but that. Amid anything but that. Amid allegations inside the arena and protests outside the netherlands entry, justis kleins been disqualified, the dutch broadcaster says it was over a threatening movement. He made towards someone who was filming him. Someone from the Production Team, reportedly against his wishes