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Seen the princess of wales for two months. So do we have a right to know exactly how she is . Joe biden is back and hes going to beat trump. Trump. Its 6 pm. And this is the saturday five. Welcome to the saturday five. Its oscars weekend , and were its oscars weekend, and were celebrating by moving to a feature length two hour format. Oppenheimer is expected to sweep the boards and have two explosive characters alongside me, in the shape of Albie Amankona and ben leo. We also have a new leading lady, the brilliant comedian, and of course, headliner star cressida wetton. Shes making her debut on the saturday five. And as for Benjamin Butterworth, well, hes up for best supporting actor in the wokeist non gender blind person in britain category. Now you all know the drill. By now all five of us present a topic and then we will get stuck in to the liveliest debates on telly. And of course, we want to know your view, much more important than ours. Your view, much more important than ours. Get in touch gb views at gb news. Com let us know your views on all the topics we discuss. But now though, lets get your latest News Headlines with ray addison. Thanks, darren. Our top stories tonight. The uk was involved in a joint operation overnight which saw dozens of drones downed in the red sea. The defence secretary confirmed that hms richmond shot down two drones, repelling an attack by iranian backed houthis. The us says in total , Coalition Forces says in total, Coalition Forces hit 28 unmanned aerial vehicles. In a post on social media, grant shapps said the uk and its allies will continue to take necessary action to save lives and protect the freedom of navigation. Huge crowds have navigation. Huge crowds have been marching through Central London and glasgow, demonstrating against the war in gaza. Demonstrating against the war in gaza. Pray, pray, pray, pray. Gaza. Pray, pray, pray, pray. Palestine. Palestine. Thousands took part in the Palestine Solidarity Campaign protests demanding an immediate ceasefire. In london, speeches ceasefire. In london, speeches were made outside the us embassy. Earlier, the met warned that a robust plan is in place to tackle hate crime. Thats after the Counter Terrorism tsar said the capital has become a no go zone for jews. Meanwhile, the go zone for jews. Meanwhile, the head of the Foreign Affairs committee has accused israel of blocking aid from getting into gaza. Humanitarian supplies are being airdropped as the crisis in the region deepens. A ship carrying aid is also set to leave cyprus this weekend. Leave cyprus this weekend. Thats after the uk, us and eu announced plans to create a maritime corridor. Theyre also building a temporary port off the coast of gaza in the coming weeks. Two tory mps have used a weeks. Two tory mps have used a social media to post demand more defence spending in further signs of tension within the party. Foreign Office Minister anne marie trevelyan and security minister Tom Tugendhat published an article appearing to criticise the absence of funds in the budget for defence. They are now calling for a spending increase to at least 2. 5 of gdp. Theyre citing global risks posed by countries such as russia and china. The such as russia and china. The mothers of two teenagers killed in nottingham say theyve lost faith in the justice system. Valdo calocane was handed a hospital order for manslaughter by diminished responsibility after stabbing 19 year old students Barnaby Webber and grace omalley kumar, as well as School Caretaker ian coates. That was in june last year. Now the teenagers parents have now criticised the police and the cps, telling the Times Newspaper that they felt foolish for thinking that they would see justice properly served. Police justice properly served. Police are investigating whether any criminal offences have been committed at three branches of an undertaker in yorkshire. An undertaker in yorkshire. Cordons are in place at legacy independent Funeral Directors in hull and east riding. Thats after Humberside Police received reports of what it says was concern for care of the deceased. On wednesday. A direct deceased. On wednesday. A direct line has been set up for anyone who may have been affected. A who may have been affected. A new honour the elizabeth emblem has been created to recognise pubuc has been created to recognise public servants, servants rather, whove died in the line of duty. The fathers of murdered pcs fiona bone and Nicola Hughes , who were killed in Greater Manchester in 2012, campaigned for three years to secure the award. Bryn hughes and paul bowen have described the decision as overwhelming. Decision as overwhelming. Im very pleased and for all the police that have lost their lives in service that theyre now getting recognition by the state and for all the families involved , it will be a privilege involved, it will be a privilege to have them. To have them. Its been nearly three years campaigning for me and, you know, for it finally to be announced, its i think in one respect, its humbling but overwhelming, so for overwhelming, but so pleased for everybody not just the everybody and not just the police as well. As we Police Officers as well. As we found out, for everybody in found out, its for everybody in pubuc found out, its for everybody in Public Service and that will mean a lot for those families. Think. And finally, Meghan Markle says she suffered hateful and cruel online abuse while she was pregnant. Speaking at an event in texas , she criticised the in texas, she criticised the toxicity and lack humanity on toxicity and lack of humanity on the internet and across parts of the internet and across parts of the media. The bulk of the bullying and abuse that i was experiencing, being in social media and online was when i was pregnant with archie and with lili. And with a archie and with lili. And with a newborn, with each of them. And you just think about that and you, its really wrap your head around why people would be so hateful. Its not catty. Its well. Well. For the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Now lets get back to all five of them. Its saturday night and youre with the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes, and fortunately not Meghan Markle. And i can promise that youre in for a very lively hour. Were for a very lively hour. Were going to crack on with tonights first topic. An ageing punk rocker. Hes hit the headlines this week. Thats enough about neil olivers new show, though. I want to talk to you about john lydon or aka, of course, johnny rotten former sex pistol. Rotten of the former sex pistol. Indeed. Hes blamed indeed. Now hes blamed immigration for what he calls division in the United Kingdom. Lets have a look. Lets have a look. Britain today is so, so catastrophically disappointing, and a lot of this tour that im doing will be in seaside towns. And i mean, they really indicate how run down britain has become. It seems to be full of what they are termed a prospective immigrants , which are really immigrants, which are really like illegals now. Well said there, i think, and of course johnny rotten there of the punk era, a product very much of left wing politics and even hes coming out and saying, look, britains migration problem is hitting. What are some of the most deprived communities in the whole country and actually, you know, dare i say it, but its only going to get worse under someone like sir keir starmer. Well, i think, you know, his, his politics are rotten. Its finally become the appropriate name. You know what, if you ask most people in this country , most people in this country, they do not have a problem with they do not have a problem with the people of immigrant backgrounds that run their local shop who are their local gp, who might quite likely to care for them if they end up in a hospital and need nursing people celebrate that. And i think what celebrate that. And i think what hes doing is verging on being racist. Oh, here we go to try and claim that the culture of these communities have gone. Benjamin. They probably dont have problems because the guy running their corner shop didnt arrive on a dinghy from calais, and neither the people, neither would the people, undocumented, many undocumented, who live in many mobile and passport into the engush mobile and passport into the English Channel beaches, getting up goodness only knows what. Up to goodness only knows what. Doctors. Theyre not doctors. Theyre not doctors. Enough you, darren. But enough about you, darren. Look is that know, look the fact is that you know, our country has been massively enhanced and improved by migration. Ian. No it hasnt. Migration. Ian. No it hasnt. And just because there arent enough grumpy, racist old white people to turn up to a sex pistols gig, that might be a problem forjohnny pistols gig, that might be a problem for johnny rotten, pistols gig, that might be a problem forjohnny rotten, but i dont think its a problem for can i ask please how its been enhanced by migration . One example im here, thats how its been enhanced. Look, i do the United Kingdom has do think the United Kingdom has been enhanced migration, been enhanced by migration, but what is that what i would say is that the numbers recently been numbers more recently have been too high. Benjamin, i dont know how you can sit here and say you think it is sustainable for three quarters of a Million People to arrive here in net migration figures, year on year, migration figures, year on year, migration benefited britain when it was at lower numbers, so that the communities of people that were coming here could were coming over here could integrate, my grandparents integrate, like my grandparents did. Not a city the size of did. Not a city the size of liverpool moving to the United Kingdom in year. Kingdom in one year. But on, you know, if you but hang on, you know, if you were to ask your grandparents, i suspect as of black people suspect as lots of black people of that generation would describe, that were not describe, that they were not welcomed with open arms, they actually faced quite considerable of racism, considerable levels of racism, which was so appalling. And so i think is i think it is quite think it is i think it is quite selfish for someone whos a product of that route to pull the ladder up for migrants coming the country. Coming to the country. Now, we cant talk about past prejudice then apply it to prejudice and then apply it to people coming in. Mean, things people coming in. I mean, things have the only have changed, jen. The only thing hasnt changed is thing that hasnt changed is johnny rottens politics. Hes still still going still punk. Hes still going against the grain, know what against the grain, you know what i yeah. I mean . Yeah. Like that. And sorry. Like that. And sorry. Like that. I just say you are can i just say you are massive hypocrite . Yes. Youre saying great for saying immigration is great for the the culture, the country, for the culture, the country, for the culture, the then next the diversity. And then the next minute come on this show and minute you come on this show and you bang on how awful you bang on about how awful these on these people are on the palestine you know, palestine marches, you know, calling to calling for israel to be external and whatever else. You cant have it both ways. Yeah, actually, i can, because cant because you cant because i dont accept what actually dont accept what i actually think think is basically think in i think is basically a racist premise, which is to suggest these people from suggest that these people from migrant, you know, who have migrated from migrated here from other countries, have countries, somehow have that exact view. They dont. And actually, this, actually, most muslims in this, in are not from the in this country are not from the middle east, theyre from bangladesh, india, bangladesh, theyre from india, theyre from pakistan. Theyre from part of the from a different part of the world. Politics world. And their politics are rooted issue. So rooted in a different issue. So i thats the wrong thing i think thats the wrong thing to say. Yeah, nasty issue. Yeah, nasty issue. Well, i dont agree with the people marches and that people on those marches and that youve to the country. Youve welcomed to the country. Actually, i wanted to ask and actually, i wanted to ask you particular, johnny you in particular, johnny mentioned john lydon and he said, johnny rotten there, but yeah, name. He yeah, thats his name. He mentioned actually fact that mentioned actually the fact that hes on tour at the minute and hes on tour at the minute and hes a lot of these hes gone to a lot of these seaside towns, you are quite seaside towns, you two are quite a through your job. Well, do a lot through your job. Well, do you do you have you experienced the that people saying the fact that people are saying around country, right. Around the country, right. Theyre look, its theyre just saying, look, its changed all recognition. Changed beyond all recognition. Dont have much an we dont have that much of an intimate relationship with the audiences. Stand up, will audiences. As a stand up, i will say comedy unleashed andrew say that comedy unleashed andrew doyle club is gaining doyle comedy club is gaining popularity, which is supposed to be a place where people can have whatever they want. Its whatever view they want. Its not its one outlook or not that its got one outlook or another, that a another, its just that its a place look, were not place that says, look, were not going tell what to say or going to tell you what to say or what to think, and that is whenever ive done comedy unleashed, full room. And the pistols, of and the sex pistols, of course, did song called pretty course, did a song called pretty vacant. You reckon was vacant. Do you reckon that was written about Benjamin Butterworth . Absolutely. He had the foresight, however. Sorry, you know no, im sorry, but you know johnny i dont know his johnny rotten, i dont know his exact age, but i suspect its pensioner age now. Right. And the is that we have the fact is that we have a fundamental problem in country. We have found out hes old. So you want go for the so now you want to go for the jugular . You have a problem. We have hateful. Thats you are. Im not hateful, darren. Im just a realist. Right . We a just a realist. Right . We have a massive country massive problem in this country with a big chunk, with that. Theyre a big chunk, a disproportionately large chunk historically, population a disproportionately large chunk historiof. Ly, population a disproportionately large chunk histori of work population a disproportionately large chunk histori of work because ulation a disproportionately large chunk histori of work because theyre is out of work because theyre pensioners. Course, pensioners. And that, of course, is fine. On tour, but we is fine. Hes on tour, but we have a smaller number of people who to work now. The only way who go to work now. The only way to for those pensions, for to pay for those pensions, for the health care, the social the health care, for the social care, to more workers. Care, is to have more workers. Thats seaside towns thats why we need seaside towns to immigrants, because to have immigrants, because i tell you what, those economies of those seaside towns would collapse no money collapse and thered be no money to go to johnny watsons without migrants, immigrants. About people hes talking about people turning coming turning up after coming here from goodness where. From goodness only knows where. After arriving a dinghy from calais. And that is a distraction because in the nhs , the figures because in the nhs, the figures and even the institute for fiscal studies, right. Who im sure that youve referenced once or twice, they said there is no benefit to said that there is no benefit to the british economy mass the british economy from mass migration. Are if there was migration. You are if there was if there was. Latest gdp figures show that gdp per capita per head, which is the true the true value of how wealthy individuals are gdp per head contracted by 0. 7 last yean per head contracted by 0. 7 last year, despite a city the size of birmingham coming here over the last. To imagine how bad it would be without those immigrants. Its a myth that migrants grow the economy. Its not. We need more migrants in this country because we workers. We dont have enough workers. Frankly, you know, frankly, ive said it, you know, before show, but if we before on this show, but if we sent the pensioners to rwanda and refugees, our and kept the refugees, our economy would be better. Dont want to integrate most dont want to integrate and most dont want to integrate. Been proven integrate. They its been proven from figures they from those gdp figures that they dont contribute economy. Dont contribute to the economy. So arent there. So the services arent there. The arent there. The schools arent there. Both albion and i are the grandkids of immigrants. Mine was i think weve was canada and i think weve done pretty well. Cant compare you cant compare today to 40, 60 ago. 40, 50, 60 years ago. I also dont think the country, the countrys full grandparents with those arriving in right think in dinghies. Right now, i think theyre slightly different. Boat, they arrived on a boat, anyway, right away. Wants to go next . Then who wants to go next . Then who wants to go next . Ill go next. Darren. So is it ever acceptable to let yourself go after you get married . Well, Bath University followed 14,000 men. Sorry, 9000 men over 14 years. And they found that married men are over two and a half pounds more heavy than their bachelor counterparts. So what do you all think . Is it ever acceptable to let yourself go after marriage . Lets have a look at some famous faces just to see if this is true in real life, were first going to have a look at the wonderful prince of wales, Prince William. Oh, look at him back then. A hunk. And then back then. Such a hunk. And then look what happened after look at what happened after he got to middleton, got married to Kate Middleton, the now princess of wales, looking different and not looking very different and not quite handsome. Have a quite as handsome. Lets have a look at the rapper jay z. Back look at the rapperjay z. Back in the day before we got married to beyonce. Okay, hes never been pretty as beyonce, but been as pretty as beyonce, but he was certainly prettier back then than he is now. Oh look at those dreads. I am not sure about that. So thats me done. I dont think it is acceptable to let yourself go after those two, Prince William and jay z dont look like theyve put on that much weight. And actually two and a half pounds. Was that the figure . Yes thats nothing. Thats water weight. You can wake 1. 1kg. Wake up and lose 1. 1kg. Thats nothing. Thats nothing. Oh poor old Prince William. I mean, hesjust hesjust i mean, hes just hes just aged. Thats allowed. Hes lost his head. Hes lost his hair. Hes still hes still sorry. Middleton, the princess Kate Middleton, the princess of wales is also aged. She doesnt as bad as that. Doesnt look as bad as that. Yes, because doesnt have yes, because she doesnt have male baldness. Yes, because she doesnt have ma thats baldness. Yes, because she doesnt have ma thats bhe ness. Yes, because she doesnt have ma thats bhe just. Yes, because she doesnt have ma thats bhe just lost his thats why he just lost his head. Thing i do agree head. But one thing i do agree with you on is and i might get lambasted for this. However, i do think that if your partner in marriage totally out of marriage gets totally out of control, grounds control, that is genuine grounds for its not for divorce because its not just on a superficial level of, you know, do i find you attractive . Its going to affect your sex life. It doesnt set a good example to your children if youve got, you know, an obese parent not example parent thats not a good example to i dont care what to your kids. I dont care what anyone says, also its kind anyone says, and also its kind of like, you know, do you want to put in the effort anymore to be just i dont agree be with me . I just i dont agree with say its fine to with people who say its fine to let yourself go just because youre its youre comfortable. I think its a nonsense. Benjamin butterworth, do Benjamin Butterworth, what do you think its you think . Do you think its okay to let yourself go . He already has marriage. Okay to let yourself go . He alrewell,ias marriage. Okay to let yourself go . He alrewell, clearlyiage. Okay to let yourself go . He alrewell, clearly itse. Okay to let yourself go . He alrewell, clearly its too late well, clearly its too late for him. Well. Before marriage. Yeah, yeah , let go. Yeah, ive let myself go. And thats why i cant get married. Think it is married. You know, i think it is common happens because common that this happens because people often reason that people often the reason that they the gym, that they they go to the gym, that they put the effort in, is put all the effort in, is because theyre trying to attract partner. And thats attract a partner. And thats human nature. Thats animal nature. Think it nature. Right. But i think it shows certain level of shows a certain level of disrespect to the partner, because the fact there is because the fact is there is a genden because the fact is there is a gender, a sex divide. Well come to that debate later. But there is divide here. Right . Because is a divide here. Right . Because you as you rarely, as darren referenced, find out that the woman looks, you know, particularly unkept at 50 compared to the man. You know, you get these fat, balding , you get these fat, balding, lazy, middle aged men and these beautiful women on all sides. I completely disagree. I think you get thinner when youre happier , isnt that . Youre happier, isnt that . Well, lets just hold that thought very quickly, because we do have an example of do actually have an example of someone is a relationship someone who is in a relationship who actually went from being perhaps attractive to being perhaps less attractive to being a lot more attractive afterwards, maybe because of that lets have that relationship. Lets have a look gb very own patrick look at gb news very own Patrick Christys transformation over the last couple of years. Thats what looks like now, since what he looks like now, since hes met the gorgeous emily carver, and we might remember what looked like before, but what he looked like before, but he different. So it he looked very different. So it is possible, cressida, to get into a relationship and have the opposite thing happen to you. Opposite thing happen to you. Well thats it, because instead of being friends with your fridge and with carbs, youve got somebody to talk to, somebody to, to hang outwith. And think feel better and i think people feel better about themselves. Well, he swapped one carver for and it helped for another and it helped a great deal, do you what . Great deal, do you know what . I think you made a really good point, though, crystal, about how there is link between how there is a link between happiness eating. Know happiness and eating. I know that unhappy, if that when im unhappy, even if ive not clocked it right, ive not quite clocked it right, im to the fridge a lot im going to the fridge a lot more. Im not putting in the effort meal thats effort to cook a meal thats going be more nutritious, going to be more nutritious, thats to healthier. Thats going to be healthier. Im not going on walks, im not going out on walks, which so good for your mental which is so good for your mental health. Thats when the health. And thats when the pounds oh, so youre pounds come. Oh, so when youre tired. Pounds come. Oh, so when youre tire ive noticed in recent weeks, ive noticed in recent weeks, if im particularly or if im particularly tired or ive bad night with the ive had a bad night with the kids next day, i will eat an kids the next day, i will eat an extraordinary me anyway, extraordinary for me anyway, amount stuff. Just amount of bad stuff. I just wont care, can i and wont care, can i ask . And that would apply lot of parents would apply to a lot of parents if theyre knackered, if theyre working, single working, if theres a single parent, working two parent, or theyre working two jobs, will tend to eat. Jobs, they will tend to eat. I was about to swear, then rubbish food, then. Luckily i didnt crash the sake of just crash food for the sake of just getting in you as getting it. You know, in you as a you know youre slim. A parent, you know youre slim. Your wife slim. But do you your wife is slim. But do you think it sets bad example when think it sets a bad example when parents are overweight and theyve school kids . Theyve got School Aged Kids . Even worse when and its even worse when those on some occasions those kids, on some occasions are and you see are also fat and obese. You see it you know, where i live, it in, you know, where i live, going to people on the school run, you see run, going to nursery, you see fat that, i mean, its fat kids and that, i mean, its nothing but childhood. Was nothing but childhood. I was a fat kid. Well, if its child, its child abuse in my book. If youve got a fat kid and why were so fat . Were you so fat . Fat because my parents i was fat because my parents separated i was depressed, separated and i was depressed, so so exactly. So i ate so exactly. Though you wouldnt blame your that, though, your mother for that, though, would i wasnt the one would you . Well i wasnt the one that was charge of what i was that was in charge of what i was eating, but know that i was eating, but i do know that i was a very upset child and food made me happy. Think my mum was so i think my mum was juggung so i think my mum was juggling things, but juggling lots of things, but ultimately responsible. Ultimately i wasnt responsible. Do we strike the so where do we strike the balance there . Where do we get the balance right . Like how how much the parents . Much do you blame the parents . Look, i think if you well, look, i think if you have a child who is under have a fat child who is under the age of that is not the the age of ten, that is not the childs fault or fault as a childs fault or the fault as a parent. And i think any parent with a fat child would probably admit now it is admit that. Now obviously it is difficult in todays day and age. Working. Youve difficult in todays day and age two working. Youve difficult in todays day and age two parents working. Youve difficult in todays day and agetwo parents working, youve difficult in todays day and age two parents working, they le got two parents working, they might to cook, but might not have time to cook, but ultimately i think its Something Like a third of kids now overweight. Is now are overweight. That is a ticking time bomb. Appalling that cant its appalling that we cant get that right as a society. Yeah, an affluent society. We cant cook cant teach kids how to cook broccoli. Its one of broccoli. You know, its one of the things. The best things. Mum have to leave that one my mum have to leave that one there. Dont worry. Leave there. But dont worry. Leave there. But dont worry. Leave the yes. Were not the kids alone. Yes. Were not going you anymore. You going to shame you anymore. You are to go the fridge are free to go to the fridge now. Coming up, the police drop an investigation j. K. An investigation into j. K. Rowling and whats going on with kate coming up next, Kate Middleton. Coming up next, has revived has joe biden revived his re election managing to re election hopes by managing to stay his latest stay awake during his latest state the Union Address . State of the Union Address . Youre five youre with the saturday five live news. Welcome back to the saturday five. As always. Cheers for your company. And cheers for your emails about tonights topics. Kathys written in. Good evening, kathy and she says johnny rotten is talking about illegal immigrants. You are conflating legal and illegal immigration. What . Well, immigration. Dumb or what . Well, thats Benjamin Butterworth put firmly in his place. And john firmly in his place. And john says, oh, maybe its the john himself. Maybe this is johnny rotten himself. No problem with genuine Asylum Seekers. Its failed Asylum Seekers remaining in the uk. There have been in the uk. There have been occasions where these people have committed serious crimes. Yep. And its happened in seaside towns around our country. And matt says the only reason william appears to have let himself go is because hes got a motor mouth brother releasing books and speaking to oprah winfrey. That would cause anyone to go off the deep end. Anyone to go off the deep end. Well, thats one explanation. Now, though, its time for our next debate. Whos going to be up next . Oh, its me. Up next . Oh, its me. I was thinking about the fridge. That was. That was my mistake , look, im going was my mistake, look, im going to talk about an old age pensioner , but this one is one pensioner, but this one is one that i actually think should stay in work. Its joe biden this week. He gave the state of the Union Address in the us, and he didnt just manage to stay awake and on his feet for 87 minutes, but he really brought the fire back. I thought to us politics, he came for donald trump. He stood up for ordinary trump. He stood up for ordinary americans, and he had so much more energy. Weve had all this talk about how hes falling asleep and lost it and useless. Well, this week the polling said that 6 in 10 americans thought joe biden had done a good or great job, and that the clear majority of undecided independent americans supported biden this week. So thats why i think this week, which also saw trump effectively secure the republican nomination , is the republican nomination, is the week that we found out biden is going to be re elected. Going to be re elected. Now, all the tripe i want to know, first of all, what biden took before that speech to be so charged up. Well, you dont think it was just a couple of espressos . You show exactly why , you you show exactly why, you know, why joe biden, homophobe, blah blah. Know, why joe biden, homophobe, bla trump blah. Know, why joe biden, homophobe, bla trump beat me to it. Trump beat me to it. Trump beat me to it. But you show exactly why joe bidens going to win, right . Because trump, in his because donald trump, in his response social or response on truth social or whatever, ironically named claptrap, writes for, said claptrap, he writes for, said that he thought, you know, he suggested that joe biden was on drugs. Now, obviously he was not. Is ridiculous. Do you not. That is ridiculous. Do you not. That is ridiculous. Do you not any serious american not think any serious american like any person in the world, its a serious no, no, its a serious issue. No, no no, no, its going no, calm down. Its going to look at buffoon, have it one look at a buffoon, have it one time another, use narcotics time or another, use narcotics to them. To help them. I dont their i dont think their performance year old. You performance an 80 year old. You dont. Might finish him dont. They might finish him off. I suppose. I think he probably yeah, i think he probably exactly. If he took a bit of i think i think you know, if you had something that, he had Something Like that, he wouldnt be lasting. Look, its just well, look, its just ridiculous. It tells you something about trump something about donald trump that challenge him that he couldnt challenge him on on his on his policies, on his delivery. Popularity. Delivery. Excuse me . Popularity. Trump thats even debate. Trump thats not what biden was asked last night. Theres a clip doing the rounds now. If we can find now. I dont know if we can find it. Probably but biden was it. Probably not. But biden was asked reporters on the asked by reporters on the tarmac, air force one. Tarmac, outside air force one. He you debate donald he said, will you debate donald trump . Biden said, well, if trump . And biden said, well, if he behaves, if he behaves, he if he behaves, if he behaves, what rely you rely on lies. What do rely you rely on lies. Thats a lie. Thats not a lie. You rely and you rely on lies and conspiracy theories. Will conspiracy theories. There will be president ial be three president ial debates, just last time, just like there was last time, and American People voted and the American People voted for biden. Biden the for joe biden. Biden won the biggest lead of any contest in us history. A geriatric. Think hes a geriatric. I think it is. If if youre asking about debates, didnt trump debate debates, why didnt trump debate nikki because hes nikki haley . Because hes a wimp. need e need to debate he doesnt need to debate nikki but he should have nikki haley, but he should have done haley. Haley haleys nikki haley was a piece insignificant. She was a piece of trumps shoe. Shes of gum on trumps shoe. Shes a piece gum. Piece of gum. She got 40 from republican registered republicans. Well, in dc, in dc, didnt dc, no, she won in dc, didnt she . She . The only primary she won was in was in the swamp. The only primary she won was in was in the swamp. And what in was in the swamp. And what and what does that say . Im not saying he proves everything, ben. You know, you go on about big boy donald, right . Why wouldnt he of his rivals so he debate any of his rivals so far . Far . Because he doesnt need to. Why would he, when hes guaranteed nomination . 7 a 7 a coward 7 a coward did . A coward did the debates. 7 a coward did the debates. He did. He does any did. He does it. Any president ial debates . Krista, obviously look, krista, hes obviously not popular with women. Not very popular with women. Thats been a massive issue. Thats been a massive issue. Thats not true either. What do you make of him . Well, as a woman, hes well to tell what a woman, hes well to tell what a woman is. Theres a well, theres that, you know, is what we well you know, is what we are. Well as do find him as a woman, i do find him hilarious. Great guy, i appreciate what youre saying. The pussy grabbing. Can say the pussy grabbing. Can we say that this time . I dont know, that at this time . I dont know, you just i just did. Im so you just did, i just did. Im so sorry. Thats thats sort of, you know, it gets brought up a lot, doesnt it . But we all make mistakes. Who among hasnt mistakes. Who among us hasnt made did you think about that comment . Well, i mean, it was years ago at the time. Did you take it literally that that . That he. He enjoys doing that . Dont think that now ill i dont think that now ill put it that way. I think anybody that say that this day that would say that in this day and age would be pretty mad, yeah. Yeah. But you maybe yeah. Yeah. But you know, maybe secretly deep down there are lots women actually do lots of women that actually do like him. I dont think i think its publicly. Youre not supposed but there supposed to say that. But there are, know, theres things are, you know, theres things people like about trump. You actually the and do you think actually the cover with the hunter biden cover up with the hunter biden laptop everything to laptop story and everything to do biden from before do with hunter biden from before the last election, actually, theres to cover up theres going to be a cover up over bidens health. Over joe bidens health. Youre youre more hes look, youre youre more hes clearly up. Look clearly hes not clued up. Look how how look how hillary how look how look how Hillary Clinton was declining during the president ial race trump. President ial race with trump. Theres of theres that infamous clip of her into a car by the her being led into a car by the secret service. All the american why all the american president ial candidates so old . I mean, theyve such i mean, theyve got such awful choices pick from. Awful choices to pick from. Surely benjamin and sorry, ben and you think that and darren, you dont think that donald trump and joe biden are the two best americans in the country to be running for president . Surely the republicans have got better than trump. Trump. The thing with trump, though, is hes never going to hes never going to have a favour with trump supporters, is he . Hes got sort of unusual, hes got this sort of unusual, goduke hes got this sort of unusual, godlike status with certain people theyre just people who just theyre just going support him forever. Going to support him forever. I find how you guys are find it funny how you guys are more fact more outraged about the fact donald said something in donald trump said something in some, some locker some, you know, some locker room talk, calls it, or says talk, as he calls it, or says something on truth social that slightly irks you, opposed to slightly irks you, as opposed to joe weaponizing the joe biden weaponizing the department of justice to try and persecute rivals persecute political rivals or the said complete nonsense. Hang on. No, no, hang on. All the facts that are president obama on on donald trump obama spied on on donald trump and his campaign during that election run. If that happened in ghana or nigeria, youd be outraged and call it, you know, a Banana Republic and completely corrupt. But im not going to engage with your conspiracy theories. With your conspiracy theories. You know, its not a conspiracy to trust a word you say quite shrug off. Cant just shrug off you cant just shrug off things dont like, but things you dont like, but say its theory or its its a Conspiracy Theory or its racist homophobic. Its racist or its homophobic. Its a deal with it. Hang a fact, so deal with it. Hang on. On. On. Quite literally has been he quite literally has been pointing around the pointing judges around the country to Supreme Court country and to the Supreme Court as thats what they as president. Thats what they said. What he wants. The said. Thats what he wants. The result a democratic election result of a democratic election to by courts. He to be overthrown by courts. He went of his way to do that. Went out of his way to do that. He rejected the democratic legitimate result of the American People. First of all, you said, why wont biden debate him . Of course he will. Your bloke didnt debate them. Then you want them you say, oh, we dont want them using courts to someone. Using the courts to get someone. Thats what trump thats exactly what donald trump has for the last three years. No, no, no, biden hasnt just used the courts hes pursued. Hes used every department of the Us Government to go after donald his children, donald trump, his children, his campaign. What you cant understand the new York Attorney general find, finds him general just find, finds him 348 million for some. Tell the viewers why for an absolute but for loans where the bank for getting loans where the bank said they had no problem with for lying about his business. New York Attorney general went on twitter and said we got him. Wink emoji. What kind of person, what of professional what kind of professional behaves that . Its a behaves like that . Its a complete what are you complete banana. What are you laughing at . I mean, benjamin has just i mean, benjamin has given and you cant given you facts and you cant actually explain the story of what has just given. What he has just given. Donald trump and thats what. And that is what . And that is what . No, he, the bloke isnt even honest about how many flaws are in tower. In his tower. Albee, if youve got albee. Albee, if youve got rose, dont even rose, actually, you dont even have coloured on. Have rose coloured glasses on. Got youve got youve got brick, youve got a you cant see anything. Donald trump prosecuted donald trump was prosecuted and allegedly. Well, and fined for allegedly. Well, not now for obtaining not allegedly. Now for obtaining loans, and over loans, by lying and over inflating his assets. The banks who gave him those loans said we dont have a problem. He did not dont have a problem. He did not do that. We were happy with the loan. So in what world should he be prosecuted . Especially when the democrat attorney general in new going on twitter and new york is going on twitter and flaunting that flaunting the fact that shes gone donald trump . Its gone after donald trump . Its a complete and if happened complete farce. And if happened anywhere youd be kicking anywhere else, youd be kicking off about it. Frankly, ask me and frankly, if you ask me what hasnt lied and what man hasnt lied and overstated his assets people overstated his assets and people like people you, you and like people like you, you and all other lefties and lib all your other lefties and lib dems skies are more dems in the skies are more concerned about you, are more concerned about you, are more concerned comments concerned about stupid comments that made than that trump has made rather than than weaponization us than the weaponization of the Us Government rivals. Of the f one of the most unpopular politicians country. Politicians in this country. I dont what you guys dont understand what you guys think. People in uk think think. People in the uk think about if you look about donald trump. If you look at polling, he is hugely at yougov polling, he is hugely unpopular in the youve ruled that poll off before and its about ten years old. Went through this a few weeks. Okay. Well lets go with the actual polls. You know, the one where 150 Million People voted donald election, donald trump lost the election, right . Hes not the president. So you accept that hes lying when youre asking me if i think the was rigged, im the election was rigged, im asking a straight question. Asking you a straight question. Id answer. Id like a straight answer. Whats the question . He whats the question . Did he lose the because hes not well, yes, because hes not the president. And so do you think that hes lying when he claims he did win it . I think he had good grounds to ask for an to invest to ask for an investigation. You think . Investigation. Yeah. You think . Think hes lying . Do you think hes lying . Do you think hes lying . That he election. That he lost the election. That he lost the election. Okay. Did lose the okay. He did lose the election lie detector test, right . Sylhet. The police will not be investigating rowling not be investigating jk rowling for misgendering. But for alleged misgendering. But next, theories next, the conspiracy theories are is are raging. What on earth is going Kate Middleton . Going on with Kate Middleton . And to know . Or and are we entitled to know . Or should keep our nosy beaks should we keep our nosy beaks out . With the saturday out . Yeah, the with the saturday five on gb news. On mark dolan tonight. On mark dolan tonight. In my big opinion, ill be deaung in my big opinion, ill be dealing with Outdoor Company the nonh dealing with Outdoor Company the north face. Who wants to north face. Who wants to brainwash their customers with divisive ideas about race . Remember the good old days when businesses just wanted to sell you stuff . Plus, in my take at ten, Meghan Markle is looking to revive her brand in the uk. Good luck that. Plus showbiz luck with that. Plus showbiz legend christopher biggins. Mark meets my top pundits and tomorrows papers. Were live at nine. Welcome back to the saturday five. Your emails are flying in with fury. It has to be said. And margaret, shes got a telling for off us. She says i find it incredibly offensive how the princess of wales is constantly referred to as Kate Middleton. How many years is it since shes been middleton . How disrespectful to her children , disrespectful to her children, if nothing else yet . Well, i doubt our children refer to her as the princess of wales, to be honest. But but i think you raise a fair and valid point, rose says. That was not beau biden. That was an actor with phenomenally skilful makeup slash mask. Could you recommend the same man for Benjamin Butterworth or desperate sean says i wait all week to hear the brilliant common sense of neil olivers saturday 6 pm. Monologue, and the follow up discussion. What happened today . Well, sean , i happened today . Well, sean, i hope youre still watching and you can catch neil oliver tomorrow at 6 pm. With his fantastic show. Plus two hours of neil are online right now. Of neil are online right now. Now though, here its time for our next discussion. Whos next our next discussion. Whos next in the batting order then . All right, well, its going to be me and ill start with some politeness. So is it margaret who he emailed in the princess of wales . Its been two months was admitted to months since she was admitted to hospital abdominal hospital with mystery abdominal surgery. No hospital with mystery abdominal surgery. No one hospital with mystery abdominal surgery. No one knows how she surgery. No one knows how she is. Buckingham palace said that theyll as and theyll give an update as and when there, but its been when its there, but its been a long weeks. The royal long 8 or 9 weeks. The royal family, a net family, they are a net contributor to the uk economy, around about 1 to £2 billion a yean around about 1 to £2 billion a year, depending on who you believe, and some people think that gives the right to that gives them the right to demand kate is doing, how demand how kate is doing, how shes recovering, exactly shes recovering, what exactly her is we still dont her problem is we still dont know for sure. Even her uncle, gary goldsmith, who is notoriously big mouth on notoriously a big mouth on celebrity brother. He Celebrity Big Brother. He declined to get involved with all watch this. All the gossip. Watch this. Ill ask you a question. Yeah . Whats wheres kate . So. Because she doesnt want to talk about it , we because she doesnt want to talk about it, we cant talk about it. The last thing im going to do is theres. Theres the kind of code of etiquette. If its announced, ill give you an opinion. Opinion. So, look, theres a code of etiquette. Theres a code of human decency. I dont care if we pay for them. As i said, theyre a net benefit. So just leave her alone. Let her recover and mind your own business. I think there is a real level of suspicion about whether what weve been told about the princesss health is the reason for her being away. Whos the conspiracy theorist now about to say that two minutes ago you were calling him a conspiracy theorist . Tinfoil hat. Is it . Hat. Where is it . Oh, look, kate. And is she up to louise . And i say that is because you look at clip of gary look at that clip of gary goldsmith, bloke into goldsmith, a bloke who went into celebrity brother house Celebrity Big Brother house because thought the country because he thought the country hated like, mate, hated him. It was like, mate, weve heard of true weve never heard of you. True but he looks, says in that but he looks, he says in that clip, says, if they announce clip, he says, if they announce it, ill talk about it now. I thought that was revealing because they have why shes because they have said why shes away she had a an away because she had a an operation. Was the given operation. That was the given reason. He saying if reason. So why is he saying if they announce it, that says to me that theres a part of her health that we havent been told about. Now, look, this is someone. Why should we be told about it . This someone it . This someone who will be this is someone who will be the next queen. You know, the current monarch. You know, we hope time, but hope he lasts a long time, but hes poor health. I think hes in poor health. I think its probably in the public interest. Is darren. Is she not entitled to. Privacy . Yeah. Entitled to. To privacy . Yeah. She absolutely is. Let you go first. But ill let you go first. Ladies first. Well, i think youre talking, like, its medieval like, as if its medieval britain. Dies, its britain. And if she dies, its going to have some. Not that im saying happen. Saying thats going to happen. Please. As if, as if its going to enormous impact on to have some enormous impact on the public. And truth is, the public. And the truth is, i mean, its just like another celebrity, it . Thats celebrity, isnt it . Thats how most people of her. And most people think of her. And i think, give her her think, yeah, give her her privacy. Get over it. I dont know, think when you see the know, i think when you see the royals christmas and all the royals at christmas and all the rest kings speech rest of it and the kings speech and like theyre a part and things like theyre a part of are as a nation, i get of who we are as a nation, i get so emotionally theyre just human beings. Like you and i. They like you and i. They like you and i. They like you and i. They just have to know they are not. They represent the country. No, i quite like the royal family. Enjoy. I enjoy having family. I enjoy. I enjoy having the class and heritage. Its the class and the heritage. Its a and you would have a very unique and you would have a very unique and you would have a collective shrug of the shoulders all popped shoulders if they all popped their yes you did, but oh i didnt, yes you did, but theres difference, isnt theres a difference, isnt there . That you shrug there . Its not that you shrug your shoulders, its just that your shoulders, its just that you well, okay, maybe you think, well, okay, maybe shes maybe shes got shes got this. Maybe shes got that. Dont need to that. I dont need to know whats in box. Mark, dont whats in that box. Mark, dont open it. Yes, but i think benjamin, on benjamins point, though, i benjamins point, though, what i would say the king would say is that the king Buckingham Palace set a precedent to actually precedent which is to actually admit the king admit that his majesty the king had now thats why had cancer. So now thats why people looking at kensington people are looking at kensington palace, and princess palace, the prince and princess of and are saying, of wales palace and are saying, well, why wont they tell us equally that amount detail . Well, why wont they tell us eqlbut that amount detail . Well, why wont they tell us eqlbut ihat amount detail . Well, why wont they tell us eqlbut i thoughtunt detail . Well, why wont they tell us eqlbut i thought itt detail . Well, why wont they tell us eqlbut i thought it was detail . Well, why wont they tell us eqlbut i thought it was really but i thought it was really powerful, actually, when buckingham and Buckingham Palace came out and said was suffering said that the king was suffering from that was from cancer, i thought that was a powerful thing for a really powerful thing for buckingham do. Kate Buckingham Palace to do. Kate middleton, princess middleton, sorry, the princess of for our viewer, has of wales for our viewer, has actually been candid about health had in the health issues. Shes had in the past. She was pregnant, she past. When she was pregnant, she had sickness. The had awful morning sickness. The duchess spoke duchess of sussex spoke about the that she, the duchess the fact that she, the duchess of sussex, Meghan Markle, never heard her. Royal highness heard of her. Her Royal Highness the of sussex mentioned the duchess of sussex mentioned that that had lost that she that they had lost a baby. So royals are open baby. So the royals are open about health when they about their health when they want to be. And im sure when the princess of wales ready the princess of wales is ready to be talking about it, they will speak about does the public know at this moment deserve a running commentary on kates health . I think theres a lot of speculation going on, and the palace need to come up with a way of how to end that speculation. We need to deal with these conspiracy theorists. Yes but look, i mean, first of all, darrens absolutely right say darrens absolutely right to say that this monarch has set a precedence that the late queen did follow. Precedence that the late queen did you follow. Precedence that the late queen did you know,. Precedence that the late queen did you know, we did not got you know, we did not got information on gyles brandreth, a the royal a close friend of the royal family he wrote in his book that the queen may have had bone cancer and that was not disputed. There was no response from Buckingham Palace. So its from Buckingham Palace. So its possible, informed possible, you know, informed people suggested that the people have suggested that the late queen had a serious condition that the public didnt know knew she know about. We knew she struggled to walk, but the king has that. Has made a departure from that. I also to i think you also have to acknowledge in acknowledge that we live in a different time. The expectations of public figures, the media cycle and its ferocity is simply different. And the truth is, as much as you joke about me being a conspiracy theorist, i think youiane a conspiracy theorist, i think you invite a lot of conspiracy. You invite a lot of conspiracy. You invite a level of anxiety if you dont keep the public inform. Well, i did think, why doesnt she just make something up . But that wont answer the problem, will it . Because eventually well find out. And then why dont then all even worse, why dont people own business . Dont you find a hobby . Why dont you find a hobby . Why dont you find a hobby . And pay the bills . And do we pay the bills . And do we pay the bills . Ill let you be the judge of that at home. Email in gbviews gbnews. Uk. Com and let us if nation should us know if the nation should keep their beaks out of kate, princess of waless business. Now keeping that now now thats keeping that viewer ahead, were viewer happy. Still ahead, were going have some fun the going to have some fun in the second hour when two of us will go 1 to in a fiery debate go 1 to 1. In a fiery debate about markle. Heard about Meghan Markle. Never heard of in two truths one of her. And in two truths one lie, we try and guess which of us talking a of rubbish. Us is talking a load of rubbish. That be a tough one to that might be a tough one to narrow down, but next, in a for blow culture warriors everywhere, not everywhere, the police are not going to investigate jk rowling over misgendering you. With the over misgendering you. With the saturday five live on gb news. Welcome back to the saturday five. As always. Thank you very much for your emails about tonights topics susan has written in. Good evening. Susan. She says im fed up with people saying the American People dont have a choice. Look how many candidates in the candidates were in the republican race for the leadership. They did have a choice. And chose trump. Yes. Albee cant accept that i do. Its just such a shame, a democratic verdict that you cant accept. Tut tut tut, linda says benjamin , leave us pensioners benjamin, leave us pensioners alone. Linda. Ill tell you what, hes got a serious problem , a real hatred. I worked since i was 15 and paid 50 years of contributions to receive my pension. Yeah, just to send that pension. Yeah, just to send that ungrateful lout to school. There we are. Now its time for our next debate. As benjamin chokes to death. Cressida, whats caught your eye . Okay, so the met police will not be arresting jk rowling after a complaint by india willoughby, a trans woman accusing rowling of a hate crime because rowling called india willoughby a man online. So its got to the point now where its being called a non crime hate incident. I thought those were going out of fashion. I thought suella put a stop to that, but apparently not. So the police have said doesnt meet the have said it doesnt meet the threshold a hate crime, but threshold for a hate crime, but it does meet the threshold for a non crime hate incident, which is to me, is really interesting to me, what mean . A non crime what does that mean . A non crime hate . Is that . Hate . What is that . I think it the police i think it means the police have very diplomatic. Have been very diplomatic. I think turned and think theyve turned up and theyve theyve done what they can would be a bad can because it would be a bad look for them if they completely ignored it. But also, my goodness wouldnt it be a goodness me, wouldnt it be a bad look if they turned up and really resources . Really put a lot of resources . Im glad police i mean, im glad the police have something right for have done something right for once. Mean, bearing in mind once. I mean, bearing in mind the scenes london the outrageous scenes in london today on that pro palestine march, arrested them, march, where they arrested them, released for carrying a released someone for carrying a pro, banner pro, sorry, a banner saying hamas terrorist. Now theyve hamas a terrorist. Now theyve made decision and made the right decision and said that not to that were not going to prosecute j. K. Rowling for saying willoughby is saying india willoughby is a man. Lets be honest, man. Because lets be honest, lets lying to ourselves. Lets stop lying to ourselves. He a biological man. He is a biological man. Leo, think, all ben. Leo, i just think, all right. All know trans right. Yes, we all know trans women are in fact biological men because is what makes them because that is what makes them trans acas. But i just think it is so offensive to say to someone like india willoughby, who has gone through the transition process, had the surgery gone through, the arduous process of getting a gender recognition certificate, is legally considered a woman in most situations, and people have been able to do that since 2004. Very uncontroversially, by the way. So that looks like a woman. I wouldnt know that she wasnt a that she wasnt a biological woman. If i just looked at her. That doesnt matter. No, but the point that im making is i just think its so offensive and rude to say to these people, okay, well , youre to say to these people, okay, well, youre you. It shouldnt be but its just why be illegal, but its just why would you be so malicious . Before you do that, lets have a look at a tweet by india willoughby. And so, oh jk rowling rather some time ago, lawyers advised me that not only did i have a clearly winnable case against india willoughby for defamation, that indias for defamation, but that indias obsessive of over obsessive targeting of me over the past few years may meet the legal threshold for harassment point. So thats well, this is important. Let me just answer india willoughby has done the same thing. He has misgendered other people in roles over which jk rowling provided evidence of in that tweet. And im sorry to say, facts trump your feelings. Im not im not ive not spoken about feelings here. I have said yes, you did. You said its disrespectful and its hurtful. It is disrespectful, right . It is disrespectful, right . So trump your feelings. So trump your feelings. Im sorry, i didnt say it should be illegal. I said it was wrong. I think it is wrong to call a trans woman a man for the purpose of malicious and purpose of being malicious and hurtful. I a lot of people are doing. Do you think its actually offensive and hurtful . Are you being offensive and hurtful . Im afraid ive got very little patience india for little patience with india for the that bens just the reasons that bens just pointed here pointed out, but the point here is the police, is that legally, the police, well, done the right well, theyve done the right thing, they . Im thing, havent they . I mean, im not even whether its not even sure whether its really non crime hate really a non crime hate incident, given that ive got one those. One of those. You . Yeah, i have have you . Yeah, i have actually. Tell me about it later. Tell me about it later. Yeah, will, no, yeah, yeah, i will, no, i really for broadcasting david starkey. Can i a very serious can i make a very serious point and can i have a little bit of time to, to, to make it as well . Most people, the majority people are majority of people are supportive trans people. Supportive of trans people. We want them to live happy lives. We them to content, we want them to be content, accepted, included in everything. And thats fine. Womens or in not womens sports or in changing not in womens changing rooms, not in womens sports rooms. Sports or change rooms. But when it comes to but but when it comes to being forced pressured being forced or pressured by trans activists people trans activists or trans people with going to the police because we wont give in to a lie or distort our reality to make them feel better. Thats where well draw a line. So benjamin, then would you say, is cressida a bigot for saying that india willoughby is a man and j. K. Rowling has done nothing wrong . A man. Im willoughbys a man. Im making point that that the making the point that that the police done the right thing. So you dont think india willoughby a man . Well, im. Willoughby is a man . Well, im. Really the fence about. Im on the fence about india willoughby. Not a man. Shes biologically im saying she. Is the thing. She. This is the thing. Is just like its just this is just like its just going some weird mental gymnastics. Im personally, on im personally, im on the fence pronouns. Theres fence about pronouns. Theres plenty would say plenty of times when i would say she. Done it. Thats she. Ive just done it. Thats whats different. One thing. Pronouns are one thing. Pronouns are one thing. But its, you absolutely. But its, you know, a debate thats know, thats a debate thats raging at the moment, isnt it . Theres lot of feminists who theres a lot of feminists who absolutely to absolutely dont want you to call a trans woman a woman, but yeah, naturally to yeah, india naturally comes to me because. Because me as female because. Because i knew her so long. Its. Knew about her so long. Its. But thats doesnt mean but thats that doesnt mean that jk rowling. I think if you can, if you, you know, you shouldnt go around intentionally misgendering people. If it if you dont want to. But in you dont want them to. But in the case of india, despite the fact thats what youre fact thats exactly what youre doing. India, doing. No. In the case of india, willoughby, what youre willoughby, exactly what youre doing. In the doing. Let me finish. In the case india, no, its. Case of india, no, its. Spoken a lot. No, no, youve spoken a lot. Its no, its no, its no, its no its no, its no, its no, its no difficulty for you to refer to them as the person theyve been for 20 years. Example, that is for example, that person is highly as rowling highly abusive, as jk rowling has proved been, defamatory, has proved has been, defamatory, vile, highly abusive towards other vile, highly abusive towards oth actually, think youre actually, i think youre highly and youre highly abusive and youre a bigot when you talk about somebody who has had a struggle to be who they are, who is simply asking to be recognised as that person, i remember when they as india they behave as as india willoughby you what . Willoughby does, you know what . You know ben . You know you know what, ben . You know what are allowed be what people are allowed to be transgender and still be a nightmare , okay . They are nightmare, okay . They are allowed to transition from male to and be referred to as to female and be referred to as a female. And you can say, i dont like her. Not when that is a perfectly reasonable thing. Your thoughts okay, written your thoughts not threatening your not theyre not threatening your thoughts you free speech. You. Just be clear, you. Just to be clear, because this is a question that was raised. Done the same thing. Shes done the same thing. Shes done the same thing. Was question that we this was the question that we raised start. Me raised at the start. Let me finish. I do think that calling india a using india willoughby a man and using male hes done the male pronouns, hes done the same other people, be a same thing to other people, be a crime it is dehumanise crime because it is dehumanise izing and it is bullying on an incredible scale. When done by j. K. The clock shop, then j. K. Round the clock shop, then because same thing because hes done the same thing to other people. Dont, i think good no, i dont, i think good luck something comes luck to you when something comes along want to say that along that you want to say that becomes a crime. Becomes becomes a crime. I mean, thats the whole point, isnt it . Youve to point, isnt it . Youve got to have speech. Have as much free speech. India willoughby done and india willoughby has done the other people. The same thing to other people. I tell you what, were and i tell you what, were going to a break now and youre going to a break now and youre going to a break now and youre going to prison saying going to prison for saying pensioners have go to rwanda pensioners have to go to rwanda because that was offensive. We lots more so there we are, lots more to come the saturday were come on the saturday five. Were going and work out whos going to try and work out whos telling the truth and whos talking nonsense in two truths one help us. Tackle one lie god help us. We tackle the weeks in bunch one lie god help us. We tackle th the night. Temperatures generally staying above freezing for of us due for the vast majority of us due to the cloud and the outbreaks of rain. So for most its a cloudy, damp start to sunday morning. There could be a few morning. There could be a few glimmers of sunshine across central southern parts of england, later on into parts of wales. 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And this is the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes, along with Albie Amankona chris de wet and ben leo and Benjamin Butterworth. You lucky we are staying you lucky people. We are staying for a hour from now on, for a second hour from now on, and were soon going to try and guess which of us is speaking the truth is telling the truth and who is telling a whopping lie in two truths one lie. Its 7 pm. And this is the saturday five. Welcome back to the saturday five. Also coming up, folks. Two of us are going to go 1 to 1. Well tackle five quick hit topics in bunch of five. And next were going to be talking to sasha bailey about the pressure to transition on young people who might be having other issues. And of course, we want to know your views as well. Get to know your views as well. Get in touch by emailing gbviews gbnews. Com. But first, its a saturday night news with ray addison. Ray addison. Good evening. Our top stories tonight. The good evening. Our top stories tonight. The uk was involved in a joint operation overnight, which saw dozens of drones downed in the red sea the defence secretary confirmed that hms richmond shot down two drones, repelling an attack by iranian backed houthis. The us says in total , Coalition Forces says in total, Coalition Forces hit 28 unmanned aerial vehicles. In a post on social media, grant shapps said the uk and its allies will continue to take the action necessary to save lives and protect the freedom of navigation. Well. Huge crowds of navigation. Well. Huge crowds of marched through Central London and glasgow demonstrating against the war in gaza. Pray, against the war in gaza. Pray, pray, pray, pray against the war in gaza. Pray, pray, pray, pray palestine. Thousands took part in the Palestine Solidarity Campaign protest. Theyre demanding an immediate ceasefire in london. The rally began at hyde park , the rally began at hyde park, finishing at the us embassy. 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Good evening sasha, how much do you blame the internet for actually bringing about this phenomenon and personal experiences with yourself . Very little. Because i think that this was, perception came from something that i felt within me. And i think that too often people are in an environment that they cant control. Theyre in a bad environment. And when you cant change your environment, you aim to change yourself. And i think to change yourself. And i think lots of people are lots of people who are experiencing dysphoria may actually experiencing actually be experiencing it, because around because the environment around them that its them is so untenable that its in order to adjust to it. They have to themselves in have to change themselves in some way. So how it manifest itself so how did it manifest itself within what what was it you within you . What what was it you were wanting to change about yourself that you just simply couldnt countenance . The feeling of dysphoria is something i suffered from. From an early age. However, i never really exactly really pinpointed exactly what it when it was during recent times when i very stressful, i was in a very stressful, abusive place. That feeling came back and this time because i could peg it to stuff, i could put it to people, influencers, conversations on the internet. I could say, okay, well, this worked for them. Maybe will worked for them. Maybe it will worked for them. Maybe it will work maybe this work for me. And maybe this feeling, this feeling of being uncomfortable, this feeling i uncomfortable, this feeling of i am enough is something am not good enough is something that people suffer with. That most people suffer with. And think the urge is to and i think the urge is to change yourself. And i think that, you know, there are people who are transitioning for honest reasons. There are people who are transitioning for the best reasons. But we have set up a reasons. But we have set up a structure in society where the incentives have been laid for people to transition for other reasons. That reasons. And i do think that were dishonest were being dishonest with ourselves willing ourselves if were not willing to have conversation about the to have a conversation about the wider reasons that someone may want to do this. So you say that youd always felt a dysphoria. It mean felt a dysphoria. It didnt mean it related, but youd it was gender related, but youd always place. Always felt out of place. I mean, your dad is the iconic photographer david bailey, and your well known model your mothers a well known model. From this. Yes. So you come from this extraordinary that extraordinary background that i think anybody would find quite unusual. Do you think that had played into into your sort of being unsure own being unsure of your own identity and then what this issue became a sort of the best possible explanation, but not the right one, perhaps, but i wouldnt want to pin it on something so direct. I think that, you know, its more abstract. I think theres as many reasons to transition as there are people, and i think for me, it was just a way of escape. It made sense. And the people i was watching at the time, things that i was, time, the things that i was, kind bearing witness to, to kind of bearing witness to, to me, made more and me, just made more and more sense because problem, i sense because the problem, i think, with lot of this is the think, with a lot of this is the pubuc think, with a lot of this is the Public Discourse terrible Public Discourse is terrible around mean, if both sides around it. I mean, if both sides are saying are are essentially saying we are here save lives, one side is here to save lives, one side is saying were here to stop people from a permanent from making a permanent decision, we believe decision, which we believe they will the side will regret. And the other side is stopping from is saying were stopping from people killing themselves people from killing themselves because theyre not getting medical they need. Medical care that they need. Well, seems reductive well, it seems quite reductive that were sitting around arguing about what we call people names in that way, people or names in that way, because i dont think that people who go around saying things or getting angry for names they called on the internet, i dont think theyre helping trans people. I think that matter that person that the matter of that person in small town who is, you in that small town who is, you know, genuine bigotry in that small town who is, you kncjust genuine bigotry in that small town who is, you kncjust being genuine bigotry in that small town who is, you kncjust being themselves. Gotry for just being themselves. I dont think that someone suing someone for calling, what essentially boils down to a mean name is helping that person. I think that all of this kind of boils down to, you know, grand standing upon kind of broken families and dead people. And do you think that that thatis and do you think that that that is what played into it . Because i know i read a great piece in the daily mail where you talked about this for the very first time, and youd been married to a much older woman. That marriage hadnt worked and youd yourself a bad youd found yourself in a bad place, know . Look, i place, you know . Look, i disagree darren this disagree with darren on this topic. I feel that topic. Generally, i feel that genuine trans people are getting a hard time, which you sort of allude to yourself. But do you think there is a danger that people find themselves those people find themselves in those really places . Yours was really dark places . Yours was the breakdown of your marriage and then this comes. This comes as possible answer. As a possible answer. Yes, i think thats i mean, i have so, during my time, during recovery, i took the time to investigate the group online called the trans maxes. And a lot of those i have, ive spoken with interviews. Its all available online, but a lot of those people do talk about how their transitioning for functional reasons, theyre transitioning. One transitioning. For instance, one of that they wanted to of them said that they wanted to get stem initiatives for get into stem initiatives for girls and these are people who have this on tape. So have said this on tape. So there are out there are are people out there who are transitioning for multitude of transitioning for a multitude of reasons genuinely reasons now, being genuinely transgender genuinely transgender or genuinely wanting, wanting wanting, youre a woman wanting to woman doesnt seem to to be a woman doesnt seem to actually be the only reason anymore. I mean, w path, which is yes. I mean, w path, which is the body set up to actually the a body set up to actually guide hospitals scientific or guide hospitals on scientific or Hospital Health care advice when it comes to trans people. Theyve been in hot water this week because leaked emails actually said that a 16 Year Old Girl developed liver cancer, and there was a real fear that actually thats down to the hormones that she was taking. Do you actually worry . I know you mentioned about the binary mentioned there about the binary of two debates, which is one of the two debates, which is one about protecting children or whoever else and one about, well, youre killing people by not allowing them to transition. How do the balance right how do we get the balance right when its young people who are being placed onto hormone therapies that we know precious little actually could little about and actually could be putting their health long terme at risk . How do we terme health at risk . How do we actually weigh up those two things . Well , i things . Well, i think it goes back to what i said about environments, young are stuck in one young people are stuck in one way another in a matrix of way or another in a matrix of their parents making. Theyre in a stuck they are not able to a stuck in. They are not able to change its change their environment. Its just is. So if you cant just how it is. So if you cant change your environment, you have idea if you are the have no idea if you are the problem is within you or the problem is within you or the problem is within you or the problem is out there. And thats what i think , thats why i think what i think, thats why i think allowing treatment for people under the age of 18 is dicey at best. Yeah. And then just finally. Yeah. And then just finally. Yeah, i mean, you know, it has such a consequence on the people around you. You know, how did your parents feel about this . Because thats one of the things you often hear when someone comes out to their parents, they really struggle to get their head around it. You came out and they realised it was wrong, you know, what did your or your mum or your your dad or your mum or your relatives say . Well, everyone was but kind relatives say . Well, everyone wa speaks but kind relatives say . Well, everyone wa speaks to but kind relatives say . Well, everyone wa speaks to i but kind relatives say . Well, everyone waspeaks to i was kind relatives say . Well, everyone waspeaks to i was saying of speaks to what i was saying about, know, the problem about, you know, the problem with is and i believe one with this is and i believe one of reasons why it is so of the reasons why it is so toxic is on the kind of transgender activist side, there is a looming spectre of the fact that incentives that the incentives that the transgender for transgender activists have for better worse, aligned better or worse, are aligned with pharmaceutical with what pharmaceutical companies want. Its very and i think its very convenient have a product convenient to have a product that be criticised. Yeah. That cannot be criticised. Yeah. Family that theyre so your family that theyre happy to happy that youve managed to come this, they come through this, that they were of that. Were supportive of that. And basically that led yeah. And basically that led me of they were me to kind of they were supportive and lovely. And thats what i kind of said in the article i think they were the article is i think they were supportive to almost fault. Supportive to almost a fault. And know, because and thats, you know, because the even sitting the implication of even sitting down talking about this down and talking about this reasonably is youre going to be cancelled, your life is going to be ruined. And i think that maybe we need to realise that theres a lot of people who are coming this, from place coming from this, from a place of fear. Theyre coming from this not understanding this place of not understanding whats happening family whats happening to their family members, not understanding whats to people whats happening to people around and rather than around them, and rather than meeting with anger meeting these people with anger and should and vitriol, we should maybe realise scared. Realise that people are scared. Would very briefly, what would just very briefly, if would your if you would, what would your message young people message be to, to young people who that they are going who do feel that they are going through this, who are experiencing of gender experiencing some form of gender dysphoria . You say to dysphoria . What would you say to them . Think because generally them . I think because generally speaking, you older, speaking, as you get older, stuff on outside stuff thats on the outside matters less and less, and its i cant help but feeling if i transitioned when i was first feeling about it at 16, id be in the exact same position i am now, for with a different body. Dont actually. I think as i dont actually. I think as you get these things you get older these things become important and become less important and i think something that think thats something that people should think about. People maybe should think about. But very, hard when but its very, very hard when youre moment and you youre in the moment and you have stick have this carrot on the stick and think this is going to and you think this is going to solve problem. Other solve my problem. The other thing to think about is thing maybe to think about is when have gone all when you have gone through all this surgery, what happens then . Who as person . What do who are you as a person . What do you is it thats thats not you do . Is it thats thats not thats beginning. Thats not thats a beginning. Thats not an. So if you spend all of an end. So if you spend all of your teenage years thinking about how youre going to get there, getting surgery, getting hormones, left . Hormones, whats actually left . Sasha, yeah. All right. Well, sasha, that powerfully that was very powerfully put. Thank you very much for coming in telling us about your in and telling us about your journey. Stuff. Journey. Fascinating stuff. Thank benjamin. Thank you. Benjamin. Still to come to try come tonight were going to try to work out who among us is the liar and who is telling the truth. Thatll hard one to truth. Thatll be a hard one to decipher, ill tell that. Decipher, ill tell you that. But coming up next, well be going to 1. Meghan markle going 1 to 1. Meghan markle says, lost humanity. Says, weve lost our humanity. Is im going head to is she right . Im going head to head with my mate albie head with my old mate Albie Amankona, im going to take amankona, and im going to take him youre with him to the cleaners. Youre with the live on gb news. Welcome back to the saturday five, as always. Cheers. Very much for your emails about tonights topics. Jamie lucas has stern words for ben and says im deeply disappointed in ben leo and his abuse towards india. Willoughby tonight. India has said nothing to slash about ben, and yet he insisted on misgendering her multiple times in this one segment. Yeah, jamie , i think you need to do some research on india willoughbys behaviour online. Ill send it to you personally if you want. Ill send you lots of screenshots. The email ends. It costs nothing to be kind. How terrible. Trevor says im a pensioner. I would go to rwanda tomorrow as they would look after me lot better than here. After me a lot better than here. Well, dont because well, dont say that because youve made them a very happy man , right . Forget anthony man, right . Forget Anthony Joshua against tyson fury, the time has come for the heavyweight debate Everyone Wants to see. Ive been putting on the pounds. Its going to be me against albie. On the topic of Meghan Markle , who says of Meghan Markle, who says people have forgotten our humanity in certain parts of the media and digital sphere, have we really . Its time to go 1 to 1, and then the other three can decide who got the better of things. First of all, though, were going to have a listen to morning mega self. The bulk of the bullying and abuse that i was experiencing in social media and online was when i was pregnant with archie, and with lily, and with a newborn, with lily, and with a newborn, with each of them, and you just think about that, and you , its think about that, and you, its really wrap your head around why people would be so , so hateful. People would be so, so hateful. Its not catty, its cruel. All right, ill be. I know im going to win this one, hands down. So im going to let you kick her off. Win this one. Hands down. Darren, what a load of nonsense. Darren, what a load of nonsense. I think the duchess of Sussex Meghan was absolutely right in this. People have completely lost their minds with the discourse online. You should listen to some of the things that i get called just for having a point of view. Being the temerity to come on television, being told to leave the theyre not really the country. Theyre not really british being f word british being called the f word because gay people online. Because im gay people online. Its become an absolute sewer. Its become an absolute sewer. And i think the trolls that go after people like Meghan Markle, markle, the trolls that go after people like you darren online, the trolls that go after female mps on both sides of the house have lost their humanity. Theyve completely forgotten that there are actually real people on the other side of the screen, and real people have real feelings. And i think its absolutely right to say that those trolls online that cause so much nuisance have lost their humanity. They wouldnt do it in humanity. They wouldnt do it in real life. Well, look, what i would say to that is i think actually its enabled cowardice in the sense of someone sat behind a keyboard in basement, in their mothers basement, thinks they feel thinks that actually they feel emboldened able to send emboldened to be able to send someone abuse. But someone a string of abuse. But thats not changed, right . Throughout we have throughout humanity, we have been awful to each other. Its part of life. Some people in life are awful. Thats just the way go. But i tell you way things go. But i tell you who else is awful Meghan Markle. Oh who else is awful Meghan Markle. On during the last few days of the queens life, the last few years of the queens life, and of course, the late duke of edinburgh, prince philip, actually they she made their lives hell so she cannot lecture us about a lack of humanity. Whats that got to do that . Whats that got to do with in the final game of their lives, when she was pregnant and a new mum . Youve got to take irrelevant. No its not. Youre saying. Youre saying because youre saying because she did things wrong. Opinion, she wrong. In your opinion, she deserves the abuse she got when she was pregnant mother. Saying saying that im saying im saying that she not someone that i want she is not someone that i want to listen to. On having a lack of when in the of humanity when she, in the Twilight Years of elderly , sick, Twilight Years of elderly, sick, elderly peoples lives, she decided that actually she was more important. That, in your opinion, means she deserves all the abuse and hatred did. I wont say that. Well, thats a ridiculous thing to say. No, youre actually being a child. Youre not asking. I did not answering the question. Yes, because im trying a stupid because im trying a very stupid answer because im trying a very stupid ansthen just it up for us. Then just clear it up for us. Is that what you think she does not abuse, but does she not deserve abuse, but does she warrant it . She bring it about does she bring it about because of the that she has because of the fact that she has been completely beastly in the past, and a self centred narcissist absolutely warranted. About her, bring it about deserve her, dont they . Mean the thing . All mean the same thing . All mean the same thing . You a right in any free you have a right in any free and democratic society, to actually criticise who actually criticise someone who has platform and has a public platform and actually has taken the mickey out your own i think out of your own nation. I think thats absolutely fine. Have we lost humanity taking the lost our humanity for taking the mick out of someone who has taken the mick out of our entire country, who still swans about with royal she even with a royal title . She even updated her royal crest to enable people around the world to assume that she is still tight. So the way, the way that she she can mark that shes behaved , she is a vile behaved behaved, she is a vile behaved and she is someone that i would not listen to about humanity losing its dignity. Well, she has no dignity. Well, she has no dignity. But youve been talking for a while, so please do just, you know, put a sock in it for a bit, okay . Darren do you think the way that Meghan Markle has behaved warrants the abuse that she gets . I have literally just answered that question. So yes, i have literally just answered that question. We have literally through this. So yes, so she deserves no new material. Youre like Meghan Markle. She has she sees me. She gets you know darren, you havent to someone who havent been able to someone who has lot of abuse has got a lot of abuse themselves. Would you themselves. I would think you would have of a heart than would have more of a heart than to say someone deserves the level of abuse that a woman like Meghan Markle gets. I dont think you deserve markle. Think you deserve Meghan Markle. Shut up a second. I dont shut up for a second. I dont think you deserve abuse you think you deserve the abuse you get, even though some of the things you say i think are absolutely reprehensible. I would deserve the would never say you deserve the abuse that you get, and thats why i think its disgusting that you would say that Meghan Markles behaviour warrants the abuse she gets. You know, when i get abuse online, i say, right, well, i have a public platform. I give my opinion and i expect an opinion about me back. I actually think that that is part of any free and democratic society. I wouldnt want to lose society. I wouldnt want to lose that. Meghan markle says an awful lot of things, a lot of things that i disagree with as vehemently as you disagree with me. A right to me. And i have a right to criticise her for that. I have a right to think that she is a self centred narcissist and to call her so. And i dont think there is anything wrong or a lack of my Human Dignity in actually saying so. But i think theres a difference between politely making an argument like we are, and im sorry for telling you to shut up. That wasnt polite of me, but think there is a me, but i think there is a difference between politely having debate being having a debate and being abusive live, and i think its perfectly reasonable to criticise and be critical of Meghan Markle. Ive been very critical of her before. Even though i like her. Shes very annoying. I think the way that she behaved in some ways has been wrong. But then equally, i think that the way the royal family has behaved in some situations has been wrong. Does that think the royal that mean i think the royal family warrant family or Meghan Markle warrant or no. Does that or deserve abuse . No. Does that mean i you deserve abuse mean i think you deserve abuse just because disagree with just because i disagree with you . My point. You . No. Thats my point. Right. Well take this all right. Well take this out panel. Now then who out to the panel. Now then who wants first with an wants to go first with an opinion that . Go first. Opinion on that . Ill go first. Been covering meghan ive been covering Meghan Markle for many, many years when i sun newspaper. Et i was at the sun newspaper. Et cetera. Cetera. I agree with cetera. Et cetera. I agree with you, that someone who you, darren, that someone who has her father so has treated her father so reprehensibly, professes reprehensibly, who has professes to and have compassion to be humane and have compassion and else she doesnt and whatever else she doesnt display one ounce of that. However, i think the level of discourse and the toxicity on social media that is aimed at people like Meghan Markle, even yourself, even me, everyone , yourself, even me, everyone, everyone it is disgusting. Everyone gets it is disgusting. People do it. Face to people wouldnt do it. Face to face. They do it online because theyre cowards and its mostly behind accounts. I behind troll accounts. So i think ill be one that chris skudder. Well, i would like to politely say that i think Meghan Markle looked like she was having time of life having the time of her life there mean, who there complaining. I mean, who would if she have would she be if she didnt have all this complain about . She all this to complain about . She loves little micro smiles. Loves it. Little micro smiles. She good luck to she was glowing. Good luck to her. She was glowing. Good luck to hen does she was glowing. Good luck to her. Does it . Her. But does it . But does she deserve abuse . But does she deserve abuse . Well, i just think. I think she takes the abuse she she takes the abuse and she spins it into a career, doesnt she . So i think shed lost she . So i think shed be lost without debate then ill so on that debate then ill be you side more with albee. Well, no, i think i side with you. I just ive got very little empathy with her. Yeah, well, i imagine benjamin, did you see here we go then. Walk butterworth. Walk butterworth. Well, look, you know, earlier cressida said to me that you should careful about the should be careful about the opinions that you say should be criminal, you might opinions that you say should be crinsomething you might opinions that you say should be crin something that you might opinions that you say should be crin something that you back � il opinions that you say should be crin something that you back to Say Something that comes back to cause and i think cause an issue. And i think thats pertinent in this debate because you should careful because you should be careful about abuse tolerate, about the abuse you tolerate, because that same person might come around and decide that come back around and decide that its justified to abuse you. And so i think on that basis, albee makes the more reasonable comment. Id caveat it with it. I think, actually, Meghan Markle is example for this is a terrible example for this argument in sense that she argument in the sense that she seems to thrive on the attention she has so much money and privilege and distance from real life that i would wonder how much it affects someone like that. You know, shes not on twitter, shes not on instagram. Twitter, shes not on instagram. She left those apps, i bet. I bet she is on those platforms under under fake accounts. Sussex back on instagram. I wont be following. Prince harrys known to do that to search his name on twitter. So are saying cressida is so are you saying cressida is a hypocrite for she said a hypocrite for what she said earlier saying now . Yes, i think m yes, i think probably there is hypocrisy between those is a hypocrisy between those things, i side with albee, things, but i side with albee, right . F w f to let cressida come we need to let cressida come back to that. We need to let cressida come baci to that. We need to let cressida come baci dontat. We need to let cressida come baci dont know, i dont think i dont know, i dont think its im not being im not being a hypocrite. Always right, a hypocrite. Im always right, shes Meghan Markle. Shes like Meghan Markle. Very like well, yeah, very much like meghan but dont do as Meghan Markle. But i dont do as much to, to earn my online abuse. And i have a lot less than her. And actually, i think, you know, a little know, anybody that has a little pubuc know, anybody that has a little public profile, mine is very small, its i, i small, but its there. I, i think know, the abuse small, but its there. I, i th unacceptable,;now, the abuse small, but its there. I, i th unacceptable, but, the abuse small, but its there. I, i th unacceptable, but youe abuse small, but its there. I, i th unacceptable, but you have ;e small, but its there. I, i th unacceptable, but you have to is unacceptable, but you have to laugh the other, the laugh at it. The other, the other week we were discussing weight, we to do a weight, which we seem to do a lot. And theres a big debate in the youtube comments about whether someone whether i was fat and someone went, porky, but went, id call him porky, but not and then someone else not fat. And then someone else said, have you noticed he always wears black slimmer, so wears black to look slimmer, so you the lighter side. But do you think on a on a broader point, there is there is a problem with Meghan Markle herself being the mouthpiece for kinder, a kinder, gentler, well, shes a big, fat hypocrite. Absolutely. A shes absolutely. Shes a shes a flaming hypocrite, so flaming hypocrite, as i said. So you albion you do divert from albion a certain then. Yeah. But certain respect then. Yeah. But that doesnt deserve the toxic abuse that she, that shes had. Shes a massive hypocrite. She doesnt know a thing about compassion. She compassion or humanity. If she did, shed call her dying father and look, forgive you, and say, look, i forgive you, dad. Know, lets dad. Lets, you know, lets patch up and never mind patch things up and never mind her. Dad. Her. dad. Her. Dad. About her majesty, dad. What about her majesty, our queen and well, our late queen and the. Well, i could all night and could sit here all night and prove lying, narcissist prove what a lying, narcissist hypocrite meghan is. Hypocrite Meghan Markle is. Dont it however, i dont think it deserves toxic online abuse. I had interesting debate with had an interesting debate with eamonn this channel eamonn keltner on this channel yesterday, and following that she, the most she, amy, received the most disgusting online abuse and i dont think anyone deserves it. And if being part on the other side of that abuse is because im on someones team or im, you know, part of their tribal camp, i dont want to be part of your tribe. I never asked to be part of it anyway. And i dont be of any toxic polluting be part of any toxic polluting our politics well, because our politics as well, because there that most of there are people that most of there are people that most of the time are really quite ordinary. W ordinary. From exceptional theyre not from exceptional backgrounds, they are being theyre not from exceptional baciofftunds, they are being theyre not from exceptional bacioff being they are being theyre not from exceptional bacioff being in they are being theyre not from exceptional bacioff being in parliament,eing put off being in parliament, making of the making laws on behalf of the rest the democratic rest of us, the democratic process, a of them, process, a lot of them, especially women, dont to especially women, dont want to be of it because of the be a part of it because of the abuse. Whereas, know, 20 abuse. Whereas, you know, 20 years that wasnt a years ago that wasnt a situation that they were facing. Into because go into politics because theyre worried theyre going to end Meghan Markle. End up like Meghan Markle. They yeah, but they worry. They dont worry. They it dont need to worry. They see it every that get a level every day that they get a level of abuse for things that arent justified exaggerated. Level justified and exaggerated. Level of abuse. And its not okay. Deciding whats whos deciding whats appropriate. You know, you have to let be a free for to sort of let it be a free for all. And cressida, i think as well, this leads to arguments like those in favour of the like those made in favour of the online bill, which is Online Safety bill, which is going preclude going to clamp down and preclude someone able to say someone from being able to say things rather know what somebodys come at me. Well, so somebodys come at me. Well, so would i. Yeah. Yeah. If youre a complete bottom, i want to know youre a complete bottom, so to speak, actually. Well well , well, by the way, well well, well, by the way, condemning online abuse isnt the same as condemning online abuse isnt the same as supporting the Online Safety bill. I condemn all online abuse. I i condemn all online abuse. I think its cowardly. But i back everyone i. I back everyones right to say it, use it as an excuse to call for bans. Yeah. And i do think that you should be banned from anonymous profiles. I dont think that should routinely be allowed because theres the same reason. We all know that the way that people behave on twitter x, whatever you want to call it, is just not what they do in the pub, because in the pub, you know they are, they know where you i think if twitter had you live. I think if twitter had that, you wouldnt get the abuse. All right. Well, if you were in a pub, i imagine a few of our viewers would come up and give you a piece of their mind. Yeah. Can i just very quickly say people really gb people are always really nice gb news thats quite news viewers. Well, thats quite remarkable, news viewers. Well, thats quite ren everyone do we think got everyone who do we think got the better of that at home . Emailing gb views gb news. Com still ahead in five, still ahead in bunch of five, were discussing were going to be discussing pro palestine activists attacking at the attacking a painting at the university and the university of cambridge and the Outdoor Clothing retailer the nonh Outdoor Clothing retailer the north to going north face seems to be going even up, though, even more woke. Next up, though, its truths one benjamin its two truths one lie benjamin cressida all cressida and ben have all spotted good stories this week, but the Truth Tellers but who are the Truth Tellers and who is telling fibs . Youre with the saturday five live on. Gb news. On mark dolan tonight. In my big opinion , ill be dealing big opinion, ill be dealing with Outdoor Company the north face. Who wants a brainwash . Their customers with divisive ideas about race. Remember the good old days when businesses just wanted to sell you stuff . Just wanted to sell you stuff . Plus, in my take at ten, Meghan Markle is looking to revive her brand in the uk. Good luck with that. Plus show biz legend christopher biggins, mark meets my and tomorrows my top pundits and tomorrows papers. Live at nine. Papers. Were live at nine. Welcome back to the saturday five. Im loving all of your emails as ever, except for this one. Maybe ann says well done, ill be and pet specks rovers, im telling you, just support and Meghan Markle gb news are obsessed with her are well , obsessed with her are well, these next ones are more like it. Morris says. Ill be out of order in polite air and well, isnt that somewhat a telling . Ill be shatara. And this from ill be shatara. And this from elaine. Hi darren, i think you are absolutely right. Elaine with peaked. She says absolutely right in your assessment. She is controlling and full of her own self importance. I do you know what, elaine . I think thats enough about Benjamin Butterworth. I was going to say, is that albee or meghan . But. But. Well, the turn my email around nice and quickly. Excellent work. Right . Three of us are going to present a story which caught our eye this which has caught our eye this week. Or has it actually because one of them is going to be a lie. These two of these stories are 100 true, but one of them is 100 made up. So were all going to believe sort of pound shop Sherlock Holmes right now. And after weve grilled this dodgy trio, you can tweet in or email in and tell us who you think is telling the truth. But lets hear from these upstanding members of the community. First up, weve got benjamin. Oh, here you go. Okay, so i realise some viewers would think that i might have been lying for the whole hour and a half that weve been on air, but this is an extraordinary story. So saudi arabia has named this the year of the camel. You know , like of the camel. You know, like china has. I dont know what china has. I dont know what china has, but its the year of the camel in saudi arabia. And they have the most beautiful camel contest, which is huge. Its like saudi x factor. They go mad for it. Theyve got a little sort of sheik cowl character. And finally theyve actually had a problem with this. Okay. Because Image Matters matters a lot. And theyve been in trouble because lots of the camels were getting so much cosmetic surgery that they had to be kicked out of the beautiful camel contest. So theyve a hump. Its true. Theyve got a hump. Its true. Did you you recently went to saudi arabia, didnt you . I did. I did. Is this where you saw the camel contest . I did eat camel while i was there. I dont know, i dont know how ugly the camel was, to end up eating, but yeah, its a huge thing. Theyre both taxing the camels. Where did you find out about this on your travels, ill try and give a down to earth answer, but the truth is, my driver told me length about the beautiful me at length about the beautiful camels. Later, camels. And then moments later, i saw some dead camels, and i thought, god, how ugly they must have been. Right . Then, who is it . Well its me. Okay, so wetherspoon is popular pub chain wetherspoons. Theyve decided to dedicate tuesday dedicate the first tuesday of every to male only every month to a male only space, so basically only men can go wetherspoons. A bunch go to wetherspoons. What a bunch of on a tuesday but its of bigots on a tuesday but its only once month and obviously only once a month and obviously this im not surprised this this is. Im not surprised this has happened because has happened now because yesterday international yesterday was International Womens day again. What can they still i think the idea still want, so i think the idea is its basically promoting mens mental health. Obviously its a big movement behind this at the moment. The idea is that men turn up and speak men can turn up and speak without women interfering. And i think of a response to think its kind of a response to kelly j. Keanes let women speak movement, yeah, movement, you know . So yeah, thats theyre doing at thats what theyre doing at wetherspoon. Yeah. For men highlighting the need for men only actually only spaces actually wetherspoons is one of a very vital resource for particularly older gentlemen who are maybe lonely. They gather and they, you know, drinks together. Know, share drinks together. When heard it, and when i heard it, i thought, do they need to tell women not to go . I dont think theres many women a tuesday theres many women on a tuesday in you in wetherspoons, but there you go. Right. Go. Thats all right. The last but not least i okay. Right. So, scientists have discovered humpback whales, male humpback whales mating with each other for the first time. So theyre gay, the actually, its the first time scientists have ever seen any humpback whales mating at all, whether its male or female. So gay its male or female. So gay humpback whales are the first ever to have sex with each other, it was the 13 minute romp off a island in hawaii, and it happenedin off a island in hawaii, and it happened in 2022, but its only been, announced now in a journal called the Marine Mammal science journal. And actually, mating between humpback whales has been so rare and its actually never happened , and even sightings of happened, and even sightings of humpback whales, lets call it there member, which can measure up to ten foot long each. They are particularly rare sightings as well. So, yeah, thats it. As well. So, yeah, thats it. Humpback whales have been, discovered getting jiggy with it for the first time. It happens to be two males, and it says popular among bottlenose dolphins. Sorry. Yeah. So, gay mating is popular amongst, bottlenose dolphins. Yes gosh. Being having a whale of a time, humpback whales humping. Yes. Yes. Yes. Right. Okay, so who has a question for one of these three miscreants then . Miscreants then . Ive got a question for Benjamin Butterworth , so how how Benjamin Butterworth, so how how many camels were involved in this competition, thousands. Thousands of camels. I mean, look, if youre in saudi, youve got a camel, right . How else you know , obviously, and this is why know, obviously, and this is why its such a big deal to have the most beautiful camels. Because its like we have crufts. They have gamelofts. Have gamelofts. This sounds more like the bath and west showground to me. This is livestock, isnt it . Its not crufts. Surely camels cant be as beautiful as. And its toy poodles. It says camels have been banned having cosmetic surgery. So botox. Talking so botox. Were talking botox. Were talking lip fillers. You know, this is the kind of thing that camels are into at the moment. I think youre lying. I think youre lying. Well, lets say that well, lets not say that just yet, question one of the yet, a question for one of the other because they could be other two, because they could be lying, well, im actually yours is most believable, to be honest, but, where did you. Honest, but, where did you. Yeah. Cressidas. Where did you hear about this . Cressida, i saw it in the daily mail. When . Today. Today. Its in the paper today, i think. I think its a response to the International Womens day. Yeah, thats true, because hes not read the papers. All right. Okay, well, i dont know who it is yet, but, men. Only knights in spoons. Im down, anyway, thats enough about me, right . Its almost time for bunch of five, where well be discussing pro palestine activists. Were pro palestine activists. Were going to after the break. Find out about that. Dont you hold your horses or your camels . I attacking a painting at the university of cambridge , an university of cambridge, an Outdoor Clothing retailer. The northeast seems to be going even more. Walk you with the saturday five live on. Gb news. Welcome back to the saturday five. As always. Thank you very five. As always. Thank you very much for your emails about tonights topics. Whos the tonights topics. Whos the liar . Mikes emailed in after watching two truths. One lie and he says camels are true. Benjamin had the camels. Whether spoons lie, that was cressida. She likes the spoons and whales. True. That was ben leo talking about ten foot members. Now cressida , are you going to tell cressida, are you going to tell us the truth . Is this the time now . Is this the time now . Is this the time now . Is the time. This is the time to tell you it is. Absolutely. Hes absolutely right. Ive absolutely. Hes absolutely right. Ive made it up on the way here. But we actually think, but do we actually think, though, that spoons allow though, that spoons would allow blokes own night . Blokes to have their own night . I think theyd be cancelled. I can imagine what martin i can imagine what tim martin choosing thing. Choosing that sort of thing. Hes anti woke character. Im hes an anti woke character. Im more shocked that camels get botox. They do not. Botox. They they do not. The humpback whales are getting on with other. New. I did already know benjamin was telling his. I thought i knew i was the liar, but i thought, is it him that sounded so ridiculous . Did actually, i know these camels have had as much botox as i not a then. I have. Well, not a lot then. Its a notorious liar. I have. Well, not a lot then. Its a notorious liar. But its a notorious liar. But actually, i must say, i do have to say weve had a lot of fun. But that story about wetherspoons, just confirm, wetherspoons, just to confirm, is please, is absolutely not true. Please, tim do sue, now its tim martin, do not sue, now its time for bunch of five with these bunch. Well, i would say Something Else there, but i wont. Lets start with my old friends, the activists from palestine action, who have attacked and spray painted a portrait of lord Arthur James Balfour at Trinity College at the university of cambridge, now the university of cambridge, now the group say they attacked the painting because of the balfour declaration, which surprised ben leo, who thought that was something to do with cricket. Benjamin, is this a protest . Not too far. I bet they vote labour, come off it. Like as if keir starmer is going to be the person they celebrate. A man thats proudly backed israel. Look, it is not okay to slash a painting like that. I was actually horrified that this was actually horrified that this was a real you know, historic painting. To do that is completely unacceptable. And completely unacceptable. And actually, you know, the thing on this particular topic , the this particular topic, the israel gaza question, i am really frustrated about the fact that people think these acts of aggression will do anything for the palestinian or the israeli people. They wont. All it does is heighten tensions , as youve is heighten tensions, as youve seen, the abuse that labour politicians have had in particular for the way that labour has supported israel. You labour has supported israel. You know, there was Anneliese Dodds whos a shadow , chair of the whos a shadow, chair of the labour party or something. I think shes a labour mp. She was sort of followed home without police, security, people chanting , what on earth do you chanting, what on earth do you think shes going to do . Netanyahu doesnt listen to netanyahu doesnt even listen to president biden, the president biden, let alone the chair of opposition uk chair of the opposition uk party. Worry is this kind of party. My worry is this kind of thing only going to get worse thing is only going to get worse because i think there was a there a kind of deal that there was a kind of deal that was made that was basically said that if there if the that if there wasnt, if the hostages werent by hostages werent released by ramadan, which is coming up, they israel. They would invade israel. Israeli forces would the Israeli Forces would invade where invade rafah, which is where there 1. 5 million gazans there are 1. 5 million gazans refugees. If that happens, refugees. And if that happens, the pro Palestinian Movement is going to be even more angry. So going to be even more angry. So i suspect if that happens, what ive explained , this is ive just explained, this is only going to get worse. And its also, though, is if balfour had a crystal ball and could have predicted everything that to happen, that would go on to happen, i think its worse than that. I think his position was a lot more nuanced than these guys. Going cringe guys. Theyre going to cringe when history when they read a history book. I mean, they cant undo this, can they . Really, really they . Theyve really, really done number painting. Done a number on that painting. Absolutely. I think balfour absolutely. But i think balfour had something what was interesting in palestinian rights, it rights, i dont think it was it was and dry because its was a cut and dry because its getting simplified now, isnt it . Good things. Good. Bad things bad. Well, you know what . Yeah. Well, you know what . There are 22 states that there are 22 arab states that arent in arent helping the people in gaza. They protesting them . Indeed. Now clothes yes, indeed. Now clothes retailers the north are retailers the north face are saying a 20 saying customers can have a 20 discount, they have to discount, but they have to complete Racial Inclusion complete a Racial Inclusion course received course first. Benjamin received a the hour a 40 discount. The hour long test has questions allyship, test has questions on allyship, biases white privilege. Is this biases. White privilege. Is this just a cheap rucksack really worth all that effort . Chris skudder what do you think . Well, it didnt put me to sleep. I had the opposite. It made i thought, you made me rage. I thought, you know, all this fashion know, theres all this fashion for everywhere. For offence everywhere. And i thought, well, where my thought, well, thats where my offence mean, its just it offence is. I mean, its just it was absolutely ludicrous. Benjamin, have come and benjamin, you have come in dressed head to toe in the northeast to do north face is very expensive. Really expensive i, i, its a really expensive i, i, im going to sound out of touch, but i went skiing recently and bought a of north bought a load of a load of north face and it cost me face clothes, and it cost me a fortune. Its the only reason fortune. Its the only reason im still this show is to pay im still on this show is to pay for north face, look, i think the that your politics the idea that your politics should qualify price of what should qualify the price of what youre is probably not youre buying is probably not a great just say great idea, but i would just say that, know, of ethnic that, you know, a lot of ethnic minorities, women tend to minorities, of women tend to earn for all sorts of earn less for all sorts of structural problems, and therefore to find therefore are less able to find themselves position where themselves in a position where they coat. They have £300 for a coat. All right. Briefly, ill be i mean, come on. , come off it. This is just oh, come off it. This is just marketing. Were giving them more by talking more marketing by talking about them. Great marketing them. This was a great marketing campaign. Got free campaign. They got free advertising in the daily mail on the front page, so gb the front page, and so did gb news. Dont we . News. So we all win, dont we . Right. Do we get a free coat . Right. Do we get a free coat . Well, i didnt i didnt even get 20 off. Next up, Sophie Ellis Bextor criticised get 20 off. Next up, sophie elliperforming. Criticised get 20 off. Next up, sophie elliperforming. I criticised get 20 off. Next up, sophie elliperforming. I shouldnt ised for performing. I shouldnt laugh but performing laugh at this, but performing murder on the dance floor at the Bataclan Hall in paris, bataclan concert hall in paris, where 90 were killed in a where 90 people were killed in a 2015 terrorist attack, the singer did acknowledge this before performing the song, but nonetheless has been criticised for being tasteless in some quarters, so she was aware of it before she sung it well. Before she sung it well. Oh, she did a little speech to what did she say . She tried to what did she say . She tried to crowbar some space in between her and her song and say, i know a lot of people died here, but thats not what this is about. Lets have some fun. And then she did the song. It was brilliant. It was like Ricky Gervais couldnt have written it. It was so funny. Its partridge isnt it . Stunning. Yeah. And its great because you feel much great because you feel so much better about stupid things better about the stupid things you life. Its you do in your own life. Its like, at least i didnt do that. But you know what . They did invite Sophie Ellis Bextor to go there. What other hit there. I mean, what other hit was going to sing . Thats was she going to sing . Thats obviously the song i want one of the only ones really the hits. The film obviously saltburn. The film has to the and has brought it to the fore and its absolutely everywhere at the it is bit the minute. I think it is a bit funny. Its sort of gallows humour. Yeah, think humour. Yeah, yeah, i think i would been disappointed if would have been disappointed if i Sophie Ellis Bextor i went to a Sophie Ellis Bextor concert and she didnt sing murder on dance floor, but murder on the dance floor, but i do think where she sang murder on dance floor and the way on the dance floor and the way that she introduced it, i dont think should have addressed think she should have addressed it mentioned it or even mentioned it. Just it. Shes made just just do it. Shes made the deal of the deal out of it. I think you have to, though, because imagine reaction because imagine the reaction if shed just into it shed just plunged into it without context, youd be without any context, youd be calling cancelled. Calling for it to be cancelled. Members pets at home Staff Members at pets at home have told that no have been told that having no children is an example of diversity, of privilege diversity, of a privilege of privilege. Was privilege. To be fair, it was just one commentator who just the one commentator who said webinar, my said during a webinar, my privilege is that im white, privilege is that im a white, straight, non disabled, childless, married, economic stable home owner living in a developed god what a developed country. God what a pig developed country. God what a pig. But the comment attracted criticism. None the less. Well, hang on a minute. Whats he saying . I dont get it that because hes a white, straight heterosexual, i dont want to list all that again. Married basically you because hes you. Hes child. But child. On hes you. Hes child. But child. Oh yes. But hes you. Hes child. But child. Oh yes. But childless you. Its a privilege not to have kids. Yes. Apparently yes. Apparently oh, its just perspective, isnt it . Some people enjoy having kids, some people dont. I dont know what hes on about. But when you encourage more people to children, in my people to have children, in my opinion do. Opinion well do. Birth rate is absolutely the birth rate is absolutely plummeting. Think everyone, if plummeting. I think everyone, if they should kids they can, should have kids and they can, should have kids and they but they should. I mean, look, but if want kids, fine. If you dont want kids, fine. Whats the problem . Know, i am im going to you know, i am im going to be with you, a be honest with you, a homosexual, and a bombshell at the show, we often the end of the show, we often talk about the pink pound. Thats the money that that gay men that traditionally dont have changing a have kids. Its changing a little now, extra little bit now, all that extra money they have to have a nice house to have nice car, to house to have a nice car, to have a great lifestyle that some gay men have because they dont have definitely have kids. Theres definitely privilegearent have kids. Theres definitely privilege arent that expensive anyway. They are quite expensive. They are quite expensive. Feed feed them just feed them, feed them wotsits a yoghurt once a wotsits and a yoghurt once a day. And thats all right. Thats how get though. Thats how they get fed though. When talking ben. Liam, when were talking about children early on. About fat children early on. Finally tonight, a right. Finally tonight, a major for alien fans, as major blow for alien fans, as scientists that despite Scientists Say that despite several reported sightings of ufos century , ufos over the last century, theres no evidence of aliens or extraterrestrial intelligence whatsoever. Where we are alone in this galaxy, folks, and hopes that there might be a species somewhere who agree with Benjamin Butterworth have been dashed. Chris skudder were you hoping e. T. Might turn out to be a documentary . Im so sorry. Im not very interested in space. I mean, i can barely ive never even been to spain. I must be the only engush to spain. I must be the only english person. And i just think theres so much spain is. Theres so much planet spain is. Its on this planet . Is this. Its on this planet . Is this. Its on this planet . Yes. I havent finished yes. And i havent finished this planet yet. Benjamin. Thats the problem. Ill to it just ill never get to space. It just feels irrelevant to me. Wheres this report from . So wheres this report from . The Us Government. They the Us Government. They they come the Us Government. They they conle the Us Government. They they coni read it in the daily i read it in the daily express, but i thought it must be absolutely. The be true from. Absolutely. The paper of record. Know. Do you know its do you know. Do you know its mathematically almost impossible that in that theres not other life in the universe from us . The universe apart from us . Would like to think there i would like to think there is other life in the universe, because i dont know anyone because i dont know if anyone else gets feeling, but else gets this feeling, but when i thinking about the i start thinking about the universe and how it is, big i start thinking about the uris. Erse and how it is, big i start thinking about the uris. I;e and how it is, big i start thinking about the uris. I justtd how it is, big i start thinking about the uris. I just getow it is, big i start thinking about the uris. I just get so it is, big i start thinking about the uris. I just get so freaked, big i start thinking about the uris. I just get so freaked out] it is. I just get so freaked out because i just think god, were actually so insignificant and it might your dating prospects might help your dating prospects as is that . Is that . Yeah. Yeah. What do you think, benjamin . What do you think, benjamin . It terrifies me to think about the size of the universe, to be honest. You know, when you really get a perspective into just you are, i find just how tiny you are, i find it. It gives me sort of. It gives me the chills. So i. I prefer not to live out there. I think its quite liberating. Theres a famous picture called the pale blue dot, is the voyager dot, which is from the voyager space probe, which is the furthest instrument weve got in space. Remember many space. I cant remember how many light away it is, but light years away it is, but theres picture where theres a famous picture where earth just earth is pictured as just a pixel on the picture. And actually, when you think about how we and how how insignificant we are and how lonely and how, you know, lonely we are and how, you know, pretty much the time stupid. Pretty much all the time stupid. We a marvel we are bearing a few marvel technologies. Of we technologies. Its kind of we all kind of all agree, its kind of like, have fun. Just enjoy it. Well be soon. Dont take things be gone soon. Dont take things too seriously. Thats what a cheery way and thats what a cheery way to a saturday night. To give people a saturday night. I think its i think its a happy, a i think its i think its a happy, 6 happy i think its i think its a happy, a happy thing say. Happy, a happy thing to say. Its liberating. It must be its liberating. And it must be nice isnt nice knowing that your ego isnt the biggest in. The biggest thing in. Got double doors to the weve got double doors to the studio because of it, look, i do think its very unlikely theres not there. Think not life out there. I think there is out there. In such there is life out there. In such a scale of a universe. Okay, there must be another grand experts are wrong. Benjamin butterworth, as even Benjamin Butterworth, as ever, right. Thanks to ever, is right. Thanks to our debut guest the debut guest tonight, the brilliant cressida wetton. Were going to let reviewer roger have the final word. He says. So its fine for you, overpaid, overexposed, know nothings to spout your drivel and viewers not to have a say. Surprised, not. Well, there you are. Next up, its the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. Cheers very much for watching. Well see you again next week. Next week. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. As we move into sunday, it remains cloudy and damp across many areas and we keep that keen easterly breeze too. And thats thanks to this area of low pressure just sat to the south of the uk, feeding in areas of cloud outbreaks of rain, tight isobars rain, the tight isobars indicating brisk easterly indicating that brisk easterly wind there too for the rest of saturday into the early hours of sunday it remains cloudy. Further outbreaks of rain, which could be heavy at times across parts of england and wales and then pushes northwards as we move through towards the end of the temperatures the night, temperatures generally above freezing generally staying above freezing for the vast majority of us due to the cloud and the outbreaks of rain. So for most its a cloudy, damp start to sunday morning. There could be a few glimmers of sunshine across central southern parts of england later on into parts of wales, but for most of us it will be cloudy. Further outbreaks of rain at times and nofice outbreaks of rain at times and notice the wind still coming in off the north sea, so eastern coasts particularly chilly for the time of year. Best of the temperatures the west temperatures towards the west and , reaching double and southwest, reaching double figures brighter spells figures in any brighter spells into monday. Another cloudy day, the wind still driving in outbreaks of rain and low cloud from the north. See the best of any brighter spells will be across western areas, but even here it will remain on the cloudy side and it remains cloudy side and it remains cloudy right through much of the week. Largely dry, though there will be light rain and the will be some light rain and the winds generally start to winds will generally start to ease to. 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