are promoting? okay. dana, thank you. >> dana: bye. >> bret: good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. former president trump on the witness stand in his civil fraud trial. a day that saw fireworks in and out of the courtroom. we will take you there. plus, a major democratic official spreads doubt on whether president biden should even attempt re-election. an indiana woman is in custody after trying to destroy what she thought was a building housing an israeli school filled with jewish students and teachers. we will tell you what she actually hit and what she is facing tonight. ♪ but, first, breaking tonight, israeli officials say at one point earlier today, approximately 30 launches were identified from lebanon toward northern israel. troops are now responding with artillery fire aimed at the origin of their launches. is this the beginning of that northern front everyone has been talking about in earnest? meantime, israeli forces in greater numbers are expected to enter gaza city at any time. that will unleash, as we also talked about a street-by-street, building-by building fight with hamas terrorists using a vast network of tunnels. >> israel continues to reject u.s. calls for what the secretary of state called humanitarian pauses in fighting to facilitate hostage release and humanitarian aid moving in. meanwhile, u.s. forces in the middle east are coming under increasing fire. senior correspondent mike tobin is in southern israel again tonight with the latest. good evening, mike. >> mike: good evening, bret. hezbollah continues to provoke israel with rocket fire across the lebanese border. there is fresh blood shed in the west bank as four hamas gunmen were killed and israel is intensifying the combat in gaza. [explosion] >> explosions rocking gaza night and day with israeli defense forces surrounding gaza city, ready to move in and start the next phase of the war. as israel rebuffs growing international pressure for a cease-fire, it says fighter jess hit 450 hamas targets while troops on the ground seized a militant compound and killed high valued targets. new video shows a military convoy bringing in supplies to get israeli troops ready for street-by-street urban warfare. >> as iran-backed hezbollah supporting hamas continues to shell northern israel -- [explosion] >> the prime minister called the groups the new axis of evil. >> what we see is a broader battle between civilization and barbarism. this is not a local battle. >> this is a global battle. the paramount need is to defeat the axis. >> following stops in israel, jordan, cypress and iraq. the u.s. secretary of state wrapped up shuttle diplomacy trip in turkey. prior to the visit pro-palestinian crowds tried to storm an air base that houses u.s. troops. >> we are have also had very important conversations throughout this trip with countries in the region the roll that everyone can play in making sure that the conflict doesn't expand, doesn't spread to other countries. >> israel continues to deny claims it's targeting civilian and says it reopened an evacuation route for people to get out of northern gaza. israel says hamas has been blocking the corridor. hamas blames israel. >> israel says we warned you to head down south and, despite that, they conducted airstrikes on women and children on the street while they were heading down. >> attacks on u.s. forces in the region are increasing. the pentagon says there were 8 attacks from a iranian proxies, u.s. forces in iraq and syria. the injuries to u.s. personnel are said to be minor, traumatic brain injuries but there were 45. bret? >> mike tobin in southern israel. thank you. over the weekend, thousands of angry pro-palestinian demonstrators marched here in washington. some vandalizing the white house fence with red paint. this comes as new polling paints a grim picture for president biden's re-election campaign. white house correspondent jacqui heinrich has details tonight live from the north lawn. good evening, jacqui. >> good evening, bret. president biden spoke with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu again today. and although the white house read-out of the call says that the two leaders discussed the possibility of pauses in fighting to get civilians out, aid in, and hostages out, it appears that israel is still not embrace withing this idea. team biden is telling reporters that they will continue to advocate for this. it's a little bit unusual, the administration is now acknowledging some distance between the u.s. and its ally on this particular issue. but it is apparently not enough to quiet biden's critics. >> president biden shrugging off 2024 anxieties growing within his party touting investments in railway infrastructure in delaware. >> can i honestly say i have never been more optimistic about america's future. folks, in my view, the president long after i'm president is going to have more to do. >> but as biden spoke, the national park service scrubbed fake bloody handprints off the white house gate left by pro-palestinian protesters this weekend. >> biden genocide joe. >> and progressive democrats are getting louder. >> the 2024 election is in great trouble for the president. and for our democratic controlled. >> people of color are disengaged. so, there's a large part of the democratic base that is struggling to come around to continue to support president biden. >> congresswoman rashida tlaib accusing biden genocide of the palestinian people. >> we will remember in 2024. >> so far the white house holding firm on backing israel. >> we strongly disagree with some of that messaging and some of the terms to used to describe the conflict. >> resolve may get harder to maintain. a "new york times" poll now has biden losing to former president trump in five critical swing states and three quarters of americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction, according to a new abc survey. former obama adviser david axelrod went so far as to say biden should consider dropping out. >> he just has to ask himself is this the best path? this is probably the last moment for him to do that check and it's probably good if he does. >> and the biden campaign threw some cold water pretty quickly on those polls. they pointed to the predicted 8 point loss that president obama never suffered for one of his terms. and we have heard more progressive democrats like senator bernie sanders now pointing to some of the issues that young voters are upset about and making the case that trump would be far worse than biden on those issues, bret? >> >> bret: jacqui, on americans inside gaza, dots the nsc, dots government have a number that they're using? >> jacqui: well, we know that about 300 americans that were in gaza and expressed a desire to leave got out over the course of this weekend. the initial number that we were given was that the state department was tracking about 400 americans, plus their families, a total of 1,000 people. heinous the 300 that we're told got out, a little bit unclear exactly how many are left. and, of course, that's in a addition to the american hostages that are still unaccounted for. bret? >> bret: that number we have at around 10, we think? >> we haven't heard any change from that when we asked about the situation with hostages, we are told this is something that they're actively engaging in. and that is a piece of the discussion about humanitarian causes. we know there has been at least one humanitarian pause so far. that's why the administration keeps advocating for pauses, in part, to get these hostages out. israel has said no pauses unless the hostages are released. that's sort of where we stand, bret. >> bret: jacqui heinrich live on the north lawn. thanks. indianapolis police officers have arrested a woman after she drove her car into a building she thought was a jewish school. they are calling her the suspect, a terrorist. the building is actually used by an anti semitic hate group. correspondent garrett tenney has the latest of this bizarre story from our midwest bureau. >> police and the fbi are now investigating this case as a potential hate crime committed by a woman with no apparent criminal record. late friday night, after watching coverage of the israel hamas war. police say 34-year-old ruby ba decided to plan an attack. and chose this building because she thought it was a jewish school. she drove her car into the building, breaking down one of the walls while several adults and children were inside. no one was injured. when police arrested the woman, they say she made reference to her people back in palestine, told officers yes, i did it on purpose. and then admitted to committing a hate crime during a phone call with a family member while in jail. the building she thought was a jewish school is actually associated with an extremist sect of the black hebrew israelites which the antidefamation league defines as anti-semitic. in response to the attack, the indianapolis jewish community of relations council said although a jewish fittings was not targeted solely due to ironic misidentification, this is, yet, another reminder to security protocols. remain vigilant of suspicious activity and report the same promptly to authorities. the suspect is facing a charge of criminal recklessness but could face additional charges, including for hate crimes when she shows up in court for her initial hearing, wednesday. bret? >> bret: garrett tenney in chicago. garrett, thanks. ♪ breaking tonight, former president donald trump took the stand today in his manhattan civil fraud trial. correspondent nate foy is outside the courthouse again tonight with the very latest. good evening, nate. >> good evening, bret. former president donald trump left the courthouse tonight calling this trial a disgrace and a scam. during his testimony, justice arthur engoron instructed him to provide shorter answers. at one point saying, quote: i'm not here to hear what he has to say. trump talked about being treated unfairly while leaving the courthouse tonight. see what a scam this is, this is a case that should have never been brought. it's a case that should be dismissed immediately. people are sick and tired of what's happening. this is a sad -- i think it's a very sad day for america. >> bret, early earlier today trp called w letitia james racist something she responded to while leaving court tonight. >> he ramables. he hurled insults. but we expected that. at the end of the day, the documentary evidence demonstrated that, in fact, he falsely inflated his assets to basically enrich himself and his family. >> trump testified his net worth and properties are more valuable than what was listed on his financial statements. he also provided disclaimers, urging banks to their doo their own research. trump attorney alina habba says the former president improved their case today. >> this is a guy that changed the new york skyline. you think you're gonna question him and know what you are talking about? you don't. he wiped the floor with them, frankly. >> bret, habba tells me after ivanka trump testifies on wednesday, the state rests its case, that they will move for a mistrial. if that doesn't happen, trump's lawyers will present their defense and she confirms that former president donald trump will testify again. bret? >> bret: nate foy, outside the courthouse. nate, thank you. up next, the latest on the presidential race. the new dismal polls as we talked about for president biden and the legal troubles for former president trump. brit hume has analysis of it all. first, here's what some of our fox affiliates around the country are covering tonight. fox 32 in chicago, as the father of the man charged in a deadly fourth of july parade shooting in highland park pleading to the seven misdemeanors in a case that centered on how his son obtained a gun license. robert crimo jr. was charged with seven counts of reckless conduct. one for each person his son is accused of killing on highland park in independence day last year. fox 5 in atlanta with the arraignment of dozens of people arrested over their protest against the city's new public safety training center. the state calls the group anarchists. the activists say they are exercising their first amendment rights. >> this is a live look at new london, connecticut from earth cam. one of the big stories there tonight from fox 61. the college basketball season tips off tonight. defending national champion uconn hosts northern arizona to begin its season. uconn begins the year ranked sixth in the nation. its women team is ranked second. that's tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report." we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ my dry eye's made me a burning, stinging, 5-times-a-day,... ...makeup smearing drops user. i want another option that's not another drop. tyrvaya. it's not another drop. it's the first and only nasal spray for dry eye. tyrvaya treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease fast by helping your body produce its own real tears. common side effects include sneezing, cough, and throat and nose irritation. relying only on drops? 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it. they don't like it. it's political warfare. but we will go along and we will hopefully do very well in every regard. we will win the election. >> bret: former president trump not happy outside the courthouse today about what happened inside the courtroom in his civil case in manhattan as you heard from nate foy. he should be happy about the polling over the weekend from the "new york times" and siena college. he is in the lead in key battle ground states across the country. five out of six as you take a look at it here. and there is some big leads in nevada, for example, 52-41. there you see the breakdown. is he only trailing president biden according to this poll in wisconsin. but, inside the poll, there are even more positive numbers for the former president. let's bring in fox news chief political analyst brit hume. brit, good evening. you saw this poll, it tracks with other polls that we have seen. what do you make of it? >> well, i think it's striking, that poll. you pointed out earlier it's only one poll but there are others similar. other thing got to worry the president it means that his arguments about bidenomics and how great the economy is clearly isn't selling. and now you have a situation this weekend in washington where these tens and then tens of thousands of pro-palestinian protesters outside the white house the muslim vote has become a democratic dependent on to win elections. if that is leaking away from him because of the war in the middle east right now, israel 1st hamas, that's got to worry him, too. what worries -- i think may worry other people about that is, he will be tempted, i'm afraid to weaken his position in support of israel which he has been steady on and have his people. you see talk about cease fires and that he may be giving ground on this current political circumstance may be worrying to him and others in his party oh my god we may have a loser on our hands. david axelrod president obama's political adviser suggesting over the weekend time for joe to go. remarkable. >> bret: that is remarkable. in democratic circles they getting to a five alarm fire here? is this that time? >> bret: well, if this keeps up for much longer it looks like donald trump -- see, i think, for the longest time democrats thought the reason we can stick with biden and safely do so is that if trump is the nominee as he looks to be, biden will beat him because he beat him before and very few people in history have ever motivated a party the way trump has motivated not just republicans whom he certainly motivates but democrats a as would gets closer to the reality. nominee maybe that sentiment will revive and help biden. at the moment, you got trump winning in five out of those six battleground states you have shown that is really quite striking. >> bret: brit, last thing as we look at these legal cases some are different than others. symptom are obviously more perilous for the former president than others, just based on the fact patterns. the one in manhattan, he seems to have turned the corn are political little. what about what is happening in that courtroom? >> well, look you, he is likely to get convicted. this judge seems bent on convicting him. you have got this prosecutor not the one trying the case but the touring. she has spoken of trump too pale, meaning too white. i think there is grounds there for appeal. and the fact that you are having this farcical proceeding in the courtroom may not make trump look good but the people prosecuting him not very good either. >> bret: we will follow it as thes always. thank you. tomorrow is election day. we will go to the touch screen and set it all up for you. later a report on the big elections in virginia, specifically, and whether abortion is going to be a key issue in 2024. the chase ink business premier card is made for people like sam, who make- everyday products, designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for 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presley is a state utility regulator. also the cousin of rock and roll legend elvis presley. if he upsets reeves, he will become mississippi's first democratic governor in 20 years. let's go back to the map here. there is one federal election happening tomorrow in this green place right up here rhode island, they will decide a house speak up for grabs, expected to be a democratic hold. also five states holding referendums, statewide referendums. voters here in colorado will consider changes to property taxes, also thousand spend revenue surplus on tobacco sales. maine is actually doing a lot of things. they have votes on eight measures including whether to establish a public power company. you have got texas and new york. a couple of big measures there. several spending initiatives. and ohio here has two big initiatives. one of them would legalize marijuana. the other deals with language about individual reproductive rights. adding that to its state's constitution it. would give legal protections to anyone who helps a woman get an abortion. it would also prevent the state from interfering or penalizing abortions in most cases. that could set the table. it could be something that you see in other places, what you may see other states try to do in 2024. including here in virginia. where governor glenn youngkin is seeking to implement a ban on abortions after 8, 15 weeks. he flipped the governorship as you may remember in 2021. defeating terry mcauliffe. his big job is to get control of all of the branches. republicans hold a narrow control of the house of delegates. 48 to 46. they are looking to flip the state senate there. that would pave the way for youngkin's abortion bill and also a number of other bills, high profile democrats have campaigned heavily against the bill. and these other issues, including taxes they could take on if republicans control all of the commonwealth of virginia. we have team fox coverage on the election landscape. mark meredith here in washington looks at how abortion could play a big role in 2024. we start with that virginia battleground. senior national correspondent rich edson is in fredericksburg tonight. good evening, rich. >> good evening, bret. republicans say they want governor glenn youngkin to have an effective final two years in office. for them that means ending divided government in virginia and winning house and senate races tomorrow in competitive districts like this one. >> hold the house, flip the senate. hold the house, and flip the senate. >> governor glenn youngkin is campaigning across virginia, targeting a handful of close senate and house districts throughout the commonwealth. all 140 legislature seats are up this ledges election day a test of whether youngkin and republicans can hold the house of delegates, flip the senate and implement their agenda. these local races have attracted national attention. president biden and vice president harris have endorsed nearly two dozen candidates. youngkin welcomed them to the race. >> i also think back to 2021 where he endorsed my opponent in 2021 and that didn't work very well then, either. because all they talk about are fears. they don't about how to create jobs. >> former president obama recorded a robocall to boost local democrats. this weekend maryland governor west more campaigned for democrats in virginia highlighting abortion and republicans plan to limit them after 15 weeks of pregnancy. >> i can tell you from the people i have been speaking to, not just in the commonwealth but also beyond, putting together a random as to when a governor should be involved in that conversation, t that should be between a woman and her doctor. >> democrats have campaigned on stricter gun laws. republicans say they will cut taxes and environmental regulations, pass stiff penalties for fentanyl dealers and parental notification in schools. >> these are expensive elections, too. youngkin's pac spent more than $3 million on legislative races. national and state democrats have announced committing more than 6 million. bret? >> bret: rich, thank you. tomorrow's elections might also give us an indication with whether abortion will, again, be a major issue this time in 2024. here is correspondent mark meredith. >> yes or no. that's the question ohio voters will answer tomorrow when deciding whether abortion should be protected by the state's constitution. >> quite honestly, it's not up to you or i or a politician. it's up to that family and that doctor to determine what's best for them. >> in cincinnati, pro-choice activist canvassed door to door approve the measure allow for abortions up to the point fetus is viable outside the womb. roughly 23 to 24 weeks. pro-life advocates including mike dewine says the measure could allow the procedure to take place even later. >> the viability question will be determined by the person performing the abortion. if the planned parenthood or whoever that is being done. so that's the person who is going to determine. there is no review of that. >> both sides are investing heavily on turnout efforts. spending efforts of $60 million to sway the outcome. even as the abortion fight extends beyond ohio. efforts are already underway in six states to get similar measures on the ballot. tomorrow voters in mississippi and kentucky will choose their next governor. kentucky's incumbent democrat andy beshear says he is eager to see his state ease its strict abortion laws. >> we have the most draconian, restrictive abortion law in the country. >> while his opponent, republican attorney general daniel cameron says voters in the traditionally red state support restrictions. >> at the end of the day, andy beshear wants to see no limits on abortion and then he wants you, the taxpayers to pay for it. >> mississippi governor's race is not expected to be defined by abortion. that's because both the democrat brandon presley and the republican incumbent tate reeves identify as pro-life. 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just have a little bit of breathing room? we are building an economy from the middle out and the bottom up where no one is left behind. >> inflation remains well above our longer run goal of 2%. a few months of good data are only the beginning of what it will take to build confidence that inflation is moving down sustainably toward our goal. >> bret: as we take a look at inflation since president biden got in office, you can see the spike there in june of '22. >> and then the last data in september of '23 and where things stand. let's take a closer look at the u.s. economy and inflation. neel kashkari is the ceo of the minneapolis federal reserve bank. sir, thank you for coming back on "special report." >> thanks for having me, bret. >> bret: where do you see it right now, layman's terms. we try to read the tea leaves every time the chairman talks. where do you see it as somebody sitting on the couch? >> the economy has proven to be resilient even though reraised interest rates a lot over the last couple years. that's good news. the economy continues to grow. inflation has come down. just as the chairman said it's not come down all the way to where we need it back down to 2% where the american people are used to having inflation. we are making progress. the job market remains strong. the unemployment rate is still quite low at 3.9%. so, overall the fundamentals are healthy, but we haven't completely solved the inflation problem. we still have more work ahead of us to get it done. >> bret: you know what we see in polls is that despite good data in different sectors as you mentioned, people are just feeling a pinch at home when they're sitting around the kitchen table and they are writing on the back of an envelope how they are going to make ends meet. one of those things is car loans. if you look at the percentage from three years ago to now 3.88 to 7.6 #. mortgage rates two years ago 3.09 to 7.76 now. the average comparison of a payment, you know, from two years ago at 1600, 1700 bucks to now 2700, it is, you know, significant. people feel it. and that's what you are looking at. >> no. you are absolutely right. people actually do feel it. at the same time, one of the surprises has been on average american consumers continue to spend. they continue go out and they are going to restaurants. they are going on airplanes. they continue to spend money. that's powering the economy. so, you are absolutely right that people's payments have gone up quite a bit. that's really tough sticker shock for a lot of folks. this is part of the way monetary policy works. this is how we raise interest rates to try to gently tap the brakes on the economy. we are making progress. once we get inflation back down, then we would be in a position for interest rates to go back down. we need to finish the job. >> bret: what about is there a serious debate -- i know there is every month, but inside about the harm that raising rates would do again? bloomberg had this quote whether the fed was looking to do it again, hiking the cycle looks done after u.s. jobs report shows cooling u.s. job market gives the federal reserve room to keep interest rates on hold in december and reinforces market values that the u.s. central bank is done with the most aggressive hiking campaign in four decades. i saw a reuters report that quoted you kind of urging a little bit more caution there pumping the brakes. is that fair? >> i'm a little nervous declaring victory too soon. like the chairman showed in the quote you showed we have had three months of inflation data showing progress great news. three months is not new testament we need to let the data keep coming to us to see if we have got the inflation genie back in the bottle so to speak. and so before we declare that we are absolutely done, we have solved the problem, let's get more data and see how the economy evolves. >> bret: around the world, the u.s. is still the place to put money, right? >> oh, there is no question. we are so far ahead of economies in the world in terms of competitiveness making more progress on inflation. stronger growth and much more innovation. i would not trade places with any other economy in the world by a mile. >> bret: kashkari we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> bret: authorities in nashville tonight say they are aware of a purported leak of the manifesto left by the woman who killed six people at a christian school in march. that manifesto was found in the car of shooter audrey elizabeth hail. she killed three 9-year-olds and three adults. she was fatally shot by police. authorities say it is too early to confirm the authenticity of all those documents, but we're going to follow this story and have a report on it tomorrow. up next, the panel on the war in israel and former president trump on the stand and in the lead. plus, a throwback that truly shapes the united states. and as we head to break, veterans day is saturday. if you would like to honor the veterans in your life and help fight veteran homelessness this holiday, then make camo your cause. you can donate or make a purchase by scanning the qr code on your screen or going to honor dot u.s. vets.org/fox forward. there -- right there on your screen. fox pledges to double match eligible donations. ♪ i was stuck. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant... is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms... ...better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, as these may be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain, and high cholesterol may occur. movement dysfunction and restlessness are common side effects. stomach and sleep issues, dizziness, increased appetite, and fatigue are also common. side effects may not appear for several weeks. i didn't have to change my treatment. i just gave it a lift. ask about vraylar and learn how abbvie could help you save. hey, grab more delectables. you know, that lickable cat treat? 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"wall street journal" says this a five alarm biden re-election fire, public opinion polls are a snapshot in time and results can change quickly in politics as events intrude. but the polls have been sending democrats and president biden the same election warning for months. so, perhaps, they will eventually start listening. with that, let's bring in our panel. we will start there charles hurt, opinion editor for "the washington times." ben domenech editor-at-large for the spectator. host of the ben domenech podcast on fox news radio. and susan page, washington bureau chief at "u.s.a. today." susan, i don't think david axelrod was ever a biden fan or acolyte, but his words still carry weight in democratic circles and he was a little harsh this weekend. >> he has a history of saying things about biden are negative. he called him mr. that go the last time around not really a favorable cartoon impression democrats saying privately they are concerned about president biden's age and what is going to lap in this campaign. >> bret: charlie, when you look at those polls, the headline the reaction is something. "new york times" democrats express deep anxiety. access trump set to romp biden and "the washington post" an ominous poll for democrats. the coverage of the poll. that's one poll but i mean it's still tracking some other polls as well. >> yeah, absolutely tracking a lot of other polls. and i think it's important that, you know, a guy like david axelrod does have a lot of sway within the party. also the timing also comes out at a time where you have obama also second guessing biden. really does suggest that there is real consternation within the party. and, of course, you know, they ever trying to hide behind this whole idea that incumbents are on down and, of course, it is true that incumbents are never 80 years old. when you look at the issues underpinning all of this and you compare trump vs. biden or generic republican vs. biden, oh my gosh. it gets even more devastating for democrats. and so i think they are rightly to be very concerned. >> bret: inside the "new york times" siena poll. they are 77 percent said that biden is too old. 54% of them were democrats in his own party say he is too old. only 19% of trump supporters say is he too old even though he is 77. and the other one, ben, was the -- if the election were held today, the breakdown, black voters would vote for trump, in this poll 22%. that's higher than any republican that's gotten in recent years. >> i think that kind of number should terrify democrats at this stage. this is a poll that basically is setting off the claxon saying there is a lot of work being done. you made that point about the age issue underlying a lot of this is how poorly joe biden performs among younger voters. younger voters who have, i believe, a set of priorities about this economy that he frankly does not speak to. he was up today just a stone throw's from his house in delaware announcing this money that had already been passed by the way two years ago, going to these various amtrak projects up and down the northeast corridor. i know that that's something that joe biden cares a lot about. i don't really think that amtrak dollars are going to be the key to bringing back the youth vote into the democratic coalition. they are concerned about healte costs and challenges of this economy. i don't think he is speaking to those concerns. frankly, at love the younger leaders of the democratic party are becoming more of a problem for him on capitol hill as opposed to addressing those concerns themselves. >> bret: we should point out to charlie's point that "new york times" siena poll had nikki haley doing better against biden at some points. obviously the former president leads expenally in the primary race. you have governor ron desantis getting the endorsement of iowa governor kim reynolds. big deal do you think, susan? >> well, i mean desantis really needs to do well in iowa. >> bret: he is essentially living in iowa. >> very important to him. and that way an important endorsement. but it's hard to believe that the governor's endorsement is going to turn things around for desantis. so that probably nikki haley is the person on the rise. but she is still a mile behind where donald trump is. and it's gonna take something phenomenal to happen to deny trump the nomination. >> bret: change the dynamic. all right, you mentioned former president trump. here's what he said over the weekend. >> what hamas did was horrific, and there's no justification for it. and what is also true is that the occupation and what is happening to palestinians is unbearable all of us are complicit to some degree. >> bret: what do you think about that, charlie? >> speak for yourself, pal. have him second-guessing like this at a moment where you actually have democrats protesting around the white house shouting genocide joe it's astonishing. i can't remember a time we have seen something quite like this. but, you know, and i take it sort of as an admission that he has blood on his hands from what is going on in the middle east. i accept that. that's great. but, seriously, speak for yourself. you know, when you give billions of dollars to iran, and you try to hand the entire middle east over to the mullahs of iran, this is the kind of thing that happens. so, yeah, i'm glad you admit that you have blood on your hands but, you know, don't drag everybody else into this. >> bret: so i'm trying to get what the next step is for the democratic party. if they are really concerned and going to, you know, break glass and say joe, you got to get out of the race who is coming in. >> well, i think there is a lot of speculation about a certain other obama. and, look, the fact that the former president is willing to say something like that at this particular moment i found to be particularly inappropriate this is not where you are supposed to be sitting back professor evaluating. >> bret: that's how he has always done it. >> charlie who is this us you are talking about? i don't know these us people. what i do see a lot of people who worked for you in this current administration can. the question is how much he is still running things on the foreign policy side as opposed to having joe biden be in charge of that, which i think is a factor that could play into any kind of parachuting n some kind of aaron sorkin like fantasy that we may see play out. >> bret: it does seem like a titanic shift a little bit. whether you look at muslim american vote for democrats traditionally strong jewish backing for democrats. did they get wobbly on what was a moral clarity at the beginning of this, and somehow it's taken a different way. i mean, could potentially effect the politics. >> the democratic party has been torn in two by what is happening now in israel. and you see these -- and obama is touching that wound, you know which i thought was unhelpful to joe biden. it's going to require enormous skill for president biden to satisfy both those who are supportive of israel in the democratic party and those voters -- this is especially true of younger voters who feel a lot of sympathy for the palestinians. >> bret: finally former president takes the stand. some fireworks there. what do you think of that, charlie? >> it's amazing. i mean, and it's a great example of where the -- this poll reflects that you have a lot of democrats and a lot of elected officials focusing on things that don't matter to voters while, you know, on the issues they are going trump's way or republicans' way. >> bret: there are other things that may be more dangerous down the road. >> i absolutely think there is a lot of risk in here that republicans have to be concerned about, they have to be aware of and frankly the number one take away as a news network i wish we had the audio. i wish we had the video to break it all down. >> bret: it's quite something, a lot to cover. panel, thank you. >> bret: now for today's throwback and it's a big throwback on this day 163 years ago. abraham lincoln of springfield, illinois was elected president of the united states. lincoln was the candidate of the newly created republican party, which officially wanted to limit the expansion of slavery. lincoln, of course, went on to be one of the most celebrated american presidents of all time, famed for signing the emancipation proclamation 1863: tomorrow on "special report" our "common ground" segment features democratic congressman richard tores and mike gallagher on social media and its impact on sentiment about the israel-hamas war as well as other things. remember, if you can't catch us live, set your dvr, fair, balanced and still unafraid. here is laura. ♪ >> laura: good evening, everyone. i'm laura ingraham. this is the ingraham angle