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temporary. finally, we are looking heavenward where astronauts victor glover and michael hopkins are in the middle of a space walk. apparently, they're getting ready to upgrade things, put some more cameras outside. as if, by the way. what is it with nasa right now and cameras? that rover on mars, the international space station could be looking at more than 20. happy saturday, everyone. i'm very happy to have you. i'm neil can cavuto. we're looking at developments here on earth and what's going looking from space at earth. first to edward lawrence who is, well, might be out of this world with his yeapt -- great reporting. [laughter] edward, you're following this new border surge and particularly how homeland security's going to deal with it. do we know? >> reporter: right, exactly. still on earth, by the way, neil. there's starting, actually, to be a showdown in places like this, the bus station. what's happening is undocumented workers are coming across the border as well as those seeking asylum, they're getting on buses going to places like dallas which is where i am now and other cities. i'm going to show you, though, exclusive pictures that fox news obtained. this illustrates the problem. there's so many people crossing the border that customs, border protection has to process them outside. this is a site in mission, texas. some get on the greyhound bus when released pending court dates. greyhound confirms that it has asked for more than funding to add drivers and buses to handle the surge. the administration to make 100% sure no migrant gets on the bus with covid-19. right now cbp does not test, and still the administration saying this is a challenge, not a crisis. >> this administration has made clear that we are going to pursue an effective and humane immigration policy and unwind what we believe was the ineffective and inhumane policy over the course of the last four years. that's point number one. point number two is we've made clear that now is not the time to the united states. >> reporter: and, however, you look at these exclusive pictures, it's the same number of people that are being apprehended now as may of 2019, the peak of the surge last time. texas' elected leaders frustrated. >> it's print sad, but it doesn't seem like the evidence matters. they've adopted this policy of open borders, and they're sticking with it despite the consequences of, you know, the spread of covid, human trafficking, increase in drug trafficking, increase in crime and just general chaos. >> reporter: the u.s. also seeing ap increase in the number of kids that are coming across the border unaccompanied. health and human services has 8800 in their care. now, we have not gotten an exact number from custom agents, but there are more. on monday house minority leader kevin mccarthy is going to lead a delegation of 12 lawmakers to go and look at those facilities the kids are being housed in. some of them are the same facilities, neil, that the trump administration got criticized for for using. back to you. neil: edward lawrence, thank you very much, my friend. now to a resident who is witnessing firsthand this surge because it's happening right by her property. emily lord king joining us now from texas. emily, thank you for taking the time. tell us what it's like there. >> so pretty much overnight once inauguration day took place we started seeing, like, increased traffic. we have had one incident in the past four years, and we've had daily incidents at this point with human smugglers. they try to get away from law enforcement, they drive right onto our property then scatter. of there's not enough border patrol agents or law enforcement officers to handle what's happening right now if, and they end up on our property. we're not safe. last week there were nine that got away and one that was caught. and, like, how do you sleep at night with that? how are americans not safe and these immigrants are coming over and we're not protected now? neil: so you were kind enough to give us some images of what you're dealing with on your very own property. you hear them, you see them or do you see evidence the next day that they've been there? maybe you can share that with us. >> so we will hear sirens from local sheriffs' offices and border patrol agents, helicopters will start circling searching for these people at night, and that's when we know, like, they're close. lock the doors and pretty much, like, take shelter because you don't know if you're going to walk outside and they're on your front porch or in the back of your truck or what. neil: you know, emily, we had a chance to catch up with democratic congressman henry cuellar who feels for what you're going through. and, of course, he and republican senator john cornyn had this bipartisan sort of powwow on maybe how to deal with this situation at the border, and it does appear to be a crisis the way you're describing it. but he had some advice when i was talking to him, emily, about what president biden should do. i want you to react to this. this is democratic congressman henry cuellar talking about what joe biden might want to do to address this. do you think it would be wise for the president to come to the border himself and see what you and senator cornyn have been seeing and discussing? >> absolutely. i mean, this is something that i invited president obama to come down here. i think any president should come down but really spend time also with border communities. as you know, the president sent a delegation of two secretaries and a whole bunch of folks who were with the white house. they didn't talk to anybody. neil: all right. so far the president has not gone down to the border. are you concerned about that, emily? >> yes. i mean, if he were down here, he would see what these communities, like, we started dealing with basically overnight. i mean, it has been fairly quiet and peaceful for, you know, i'd say the last 2-4 years. and overnight there's, you know, smugglers everywhere, your fences are torn down. he's welcome to come down and help mend a fence and keep our livestock in or help protect my house because now i don't know who's on our property. neil: emily, the white house is reluctant to call it a crisis, so let me ask you. you're there. you're right at that border. to you, is it a crisis? >> yes. you know, how do you go from having one incident -- i'm just one resident on the border -- to having, you know, we've had five or six. we have them daily, like, you know? how do you say that that is not a crisis? like, things changed overnight, and there's got to be a better solution than this ca chaos. neil: emily lord king, thank you. emily, you have a beautiful family. hang in there. southern texas rancher just simply trying to live on her own property without some of the hassles that have picked up considerable steam over the last few weeks. we'll keep an eye on that border, give you any sense of change coming out of the administration. how they hope to address that. in the meantime, talking about that $1.9 trillion stimulus plan, as you know, the prime minister did sign it into concern the president did sign it into law, but what might make that price tag look cheap. david spunt with more from wilmington, delaware. >> reporter: neil, good morning to you. president biden will spend a few days at his home in wilmington the, delaware, then he'll hit the road to georgia and suburban philadelphia to tout that nearly $2 trillion covid relief package, this as those $1400 direct payments are going to be going to americans as soon as this weekend. as you mentioned, it is what is next on deck for president biden and for democrats in the house and senate that many want to know what's going to be on the agenda. and while it's not crystal clear what'll come next, we know the president and the democratic-led congress have several priorities including infrastructure, health care, climate change and immigration reform to mention a few. with democrats in control of the white house, the senate and the house, it's entirely possible the president can get through his plans for those topics even though there's a thin majority in both the house and senate. house budget chairman john yarmuth, democrat from kentucky, recently quoted in the hill publication saying the next presidential package may be a, quote, kitchen sink or grab bag of priorities. the white house not holding back on priorities like climate change, also looking at the possibility of immigration reform. president biden was waiting to give this joint session of congress, traditionalally what the president does in his or her first year of office, he's been waiting to do that, we're told he's going to do after this covid relief passed. possibly that's when he'll mention his next priorities on deck. neil? neil: all right. david, thank you very much. david spunt traveling with the president in wilmington, delaware. by the way, the democrats, of course, are taking full advantage of controlling the house, the senate and the presidency. they talk a good game on bipartisanship just as in the early days of the administration republicans did as well. but it never works out that way. why is that? and why are some future bills being consider by democrats, only by democrats? after this. ♪ neil: do you know whether the administration is negotiating with republicans to get their support on infrastructure or on these tax increases? what? >> yeah, so the tax increases are coming, there's no question about it. they don't intend to have discussions with republicans. they've made it very clear based on this covid package they don't see a need to have any conversation with us. and maybe on the tax side for good reason. you wouldn't raise these taxes in good economic times,. much less trying to recover from a pandemic. neil: all right. kevin brady is darn sure convinced that democrats are going to continue to take advantage of running the table now that they control the table, all the a table, house, senate and the white house. and maybe talk a good game about bipartisanship, ram one piece of legislation after another including what could be a $2-3 trillion infrastructure package, a host of others that will probably come with tax hikes as well to help pay for it. reid wilson is the hill correspondent, joins us now. reid, it wouldn't surprise me, obviously, a party in power likes to take full advantage despite talking of bipartisanship. but to the degree democrats might be willing to go with pushing, what do you think? >> yeah. this is a -- there are a couple of things going on here. first of all, the two parties are more homogeneous than they ever have been. republican from alabama and republican from washington state are as ideologically coherent as at any time, you know, something that didn't exist in the last 20, 30, 40 years. there's an element of performance, political performance as well. the two sides don't want to give the other side a win, so they're going to withhold as many votes as possible. and also, neil, i've got to say i see a level of anger in congress itself that has built after the january 6th insurrection especially in the house of representatives, members are just, they're angry at each other. neil: how far does that go though, reid? if, indeed, democrats are seizing on this narrow majority they have in the house, dead even in the senate, to exploit that to the full degree, that would presumably include these tax hikes beyond the ones that the president has already announced, right? the hike in the corporate tax to 28% from 21%. but this seems to be much more than that. >> i think it all comes down to what moves next in the house. if they decide their priority is going to be immigration reform, there's no real tax conversation around that. the conversation might end up being around the burden on businesses about a program like e-verify. on the other hand, if you're talking about infrastructure, speaker pelosi said within the last week that the democratic package would have to have some pay-fors because some of the moderate democrats are starting to get anxious about the debt and deficit. so in that case, you could imagine sort of a rethinking of how those taxes and are levied. interestingly, it appeared last week that republicans opened the door to some kind of carbon tax which is noting something they've been historically open to in the past, but they think that may be a way to pay for some of the transportation package which is, of course, historically a pretty bipartisan bill. neil: yeah. you know, could there be something beneath this though that you're not missing, but maybe i am, that there might be a deal in the works where i know when barack obama became president, he promised that he was going to reraise the top rate back to 39.6% but held off. economic conditions warranted it, he was trying to get help on the health care act, that it was pushed back. is there any sense that you have that president biden, the white house in general might push back some of these preplanned tax hikes to get republican support for, let's say, things like infrastructure? >> yeah, i think that's possible, and i think kevin brady raised a good point in that clip that you played. the fact is, and to your point earlier, the democratic majority is narrow in the house of representatives and dead even in the senate, and when you're dead even in the senate, you've got to talk to guys like joe manchin and bernie sanders and get them on the same page. in the house there's a substantial coalition of moderate members in swing districts who aren't going to want to vote for a tax hike and aren't going to want to see those republican ads that congressman x voted for tax hikes. democrats are already anxious about the 2022 midterm elections, they don't want to give republicans any more ammunition than they absolutely have to. neil: you know, i know a lot of the surveys say that americans, two out of three, overwhelmingly like the $1.9 trillion stimulus, but to be fair to republicans when they point out some of the waste in that or the features that have nothing to do with covid or, furthermore, are years out, then that view changes a little bit. but the republicans have been countering whatever good stuff democrats have been saying about stimulus. where does this stand, do you think, and where's it going in the public eye? because that's going to be crucial for some of these other pieces of legislation. >> absolutely. and this is the big thing that president biden learned as vice president biden a decade ago when the obama add mrgz -- administering, when president obama signed the recovery act, the americans -- i can't remember the exact name, but, you know, the $800 billion after the financial crisis. they sort of signed it and then just assumed that it would work and didn't bother to sell it. that failure to sell the bill to the american public ended up costing democrats in the 2010 midterm elections when, of course, republicans famously delivered the shellacking. so i think you're going to see president biden and members of the administration fanning out all over the country really trying to sell this $1.9 trillion package much more aggressively than president obama did. and now we'll see if that pays dividends, but they're starting from a really high mark here. as you say, somewhere around two-thirds, three-quarters of americans like this bill, they're going to like it a lot when so many of them get $1400 checks in their bank accounts. so democrats start with an advantage, but what's the old cliche, you know, a week is a lifetime in politics. how many people are going to remember this particular bill from march 2021 when it comes time to cast their vote in 2022. neil: that's a very good point. reid wilson, the hill correspondent, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> thanks, neil. neil: all right. reid touched on these $1400 stimulus checks that are coming. some of you might have them already if you have direct deposit. that's the great news. now, here's the bad news. almost every major thing to you buy has gotten more expensive. sorry, have a nice day. we'll have more after this. 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depends on how much more we're talking about. let's go to erin gibbs, gibbs wealth manager if, dan geltrude back with us, pba market analyst, rebecca walser. guys, thanks for joining me today. rebecca, first off, on this idea of the fear of good times, because the markets, the stock market, by and large, likes it. especially economically sensitive issues that dominate the dow. the nasdaq, a little less. so is it good that things are looking good? >> i think it absolutely is good that things are looking good, neil. certainly, we'd rather be here than where we were this time last march, that's for sure. but i do think that the federal reserve and the government has a tricky balance on their hands because they know that the economy is going to start reopening, and we have seen really positive numbers, all the things you just mentioned. yet we still have a lot of states that aren't at full capacity, people aren't feeling comfortable enough to maybe make their summer travel plans, so the federal reserve is stimulate aring $120 billion per month, and we are starting to reopen. and it is a concern what's the dell candidate balance to stimulate but not overstimulate to the point of inflation. neil: you know, erin, as we've been talking through the pandemic -- and i appreciate all of your help through the pandemic -- talking about the ups and downs in the market, i've always held the view, and it's probably risky, you should run the other way -- [laughter] that the pace coming out of this pandemic, the more good news we get on vaccinations, the more hopeful developments incluing the president say -- including the prime minister saying that by the beginning of may he wants to see all american adults have been vaccinated, i think that's the wind at investors' backs because it allows for everything to happen. expanded reopenings in texas and missouri, whose governor i'll be talking to in just a second, what do you make of that, that this is still decided by the course of this virus and that looks good? >> it is. and while we're seeing some rebound already within the first quarter, but it is very much based on the fact that we get back to business as normal. , like you said, around the second half of the year. that's where we're really looking for most of the companies' profits to return to normal levels if not even higher levels than 2019. just wiping out 2020. so it's really about everybody going back to business as normal and spending like normal and going back to flying, traveling and so on. neil: you know, dan, virtually every major group including the airlines, very optimistic things will pick up and maybe in the case of the airlines, smarting a little when the cdc recommended maybe not everyone jumps in a plane right now and fly. even allowing for that, optimistic enough in a couple of cases for them to buy more jets and still in more cases to hang on to the folks they have because they got help with this stimulus. how do you see it sorting out? >> well, neil, for the sake of this conversation because i'm generally an on optimist, i'm gg to take a different approach here. this is going to come down to basic economics of supply and demand. so as this things are looking b, there is plenty of pent-up demand that's on the way. people are going to want to get out, they're going to want to spend, they're going to want to do things. great. so as demand goes up, can the supply meet that demand. and we've already seen that businesses that are struggling are going to need some time to be able to catch up. so it's going to take a while. and that difference, neil, between the supply and demand is what's going to trigger inflation. so to your point at the beginning of the segment, are things going to be more expensive. so this free money that's being given out through stimulus, well, there's another side to this. things are going to get more expensive and, therefore, this free money is actually going to end up being used because of inflationment. neil: -- inflation. neil: you know, rebecca, we were rifling through a lot of these things that have picked up in price. i noticed fruits and vegetables are rocketing. not an issue, i don't like them. [laughter] but cheese, that's a game over right there. so, you know, it's a funny way to address the finer point here, there is a way you can pivot in this economy like our own if you notice one area's going up, you find an alternative. you know, the price of chicken is going up, you zero in on processed foods. i know not healthy, but it is an option. [laughter] you know what i mean? in a sophisticated age, there are ways people can deal with that price hike. how do you see this going? >> well, i do think that america needs to prepare because there are some food shortages globally. i don't know if you guys are aware of all the locusts that were all over the world last year. it was almost biblical. so that's going to affect -- neil: dan was very big on the locusts last year, and i have no idea why. it's a very good point, but go ahead. [laughter] i just want to add, neil, i want to caution all of these people that are in charge, the politicians and the health administrators across the state and the federal government. if i have a problem with people that are getting their double dose of vaccines and they're still being told you still need to wear a mask, you still need to social distance. if you're going to keep treating us like we're in the virus, then don't expect people to act like we're not which means traveling, summer plans, getting out there, going to concerts. don't act like we're still in the virus if we're not and we're supposed to be getting back to normal. let us get back to normal. we cannot perpetuate this and get back to normal, and we have to. i agree with erin on that. neil: all right. i want to explore that with you guys later on, how we psych ourselves for the new psyche that says we are coming out here. in the meantime, las vegas opening up at 50% capacity in some of its casinos and hotels. these are huge venues, folks, so if they're opening up at half capacity, that's like 100% capacity almost anywhere else. just a continuing improving trend as states reopen and get more vaccinations i out. the read from the governor of missouri who was ahead of this curve when no one was. mike parsons next. for members like kate. a former army medic, made of the flexibility to handle whatever monday has in store and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit, she didn't worry. she simply filed a claim on her usaa app and said... i got this. usaa insurance is made the way kate needs it - easy. she can even pick her payment plan so it's easy on her budget and her life. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa. ♪♪ neil: you know, through the whole pandemic we've talked to so many incredible restaurant owners trying to come back whether limited capacity or no capacity or there's no way governors are going to allow restaurants in their states to open, but this next guest is a little different. bryce hardy is the owner of the charles. but here's the thing about bryce, he came up with the idea of opening up in the middle of the pandemic. so he's either crazy or brilliant. i suspect more the latter. he joins us right now. in connecticut you are now doing pretty well with the reopenings that have extended, but when you were opening, there was barely anyone allowed in restaurants period. what made you do that? >> that's right, neil, thanks for having me. you know, we, we were already starting our project. you know, we were almost a year into the build, and so we had no choice but to keep moving forward. you know, so when we opened, we were two days before we were even allowed to be inside of our newly-renovated building, and so we opened with a tent. we made some quick changes, some great staff came out and helped me build some fencing around a beautiful tent, and we just made it happen. it just kind of kept growing. i was lucky enough to have some adirondack chairs donated to me, and that just ignited an idea to kind of create an even more beautiful space for our guests to enjoy on our lawn. so we created about six or seven more tables. and that was due to some, you know, the state allowing us to, you know, create our capacity a little bit larger outside. neil: well, you know, i've had a chance to look at your menu. this might surprise you, bryce, but i love restaurants. but the seriously deviledded eggs, they sound wicked good. stop, stop. this is all phenomenal stuff. [laughter] so i can well see that you have a very different kind of a menu here. it's not some burger joint, it's not some pasta place. so you must have felt what i've got is so unique that it's going to draw people in even if there aren't enough people allowed to go into my restaurant. but what did your friends, family say that they want to check your temperature? if see what you, maybe you were losing a little bit? what did they say? >> i think everyone was really supportive. like i said, we were kind of in the process, so i was lucky enough to find a really great chef who is quickly becoming one of the best chefs in our state. and, you know, so he put together a really good menu along with my wife carrie's concept. and, you know, it's an elevated american comfort food that we really wanted to have a casual dining experience for our guests, and so we were able to put out a product really well and with limited capacities. it allowed us to open up a little bit slower, to kind of refine some things, tweak anything in the kitchen that needed to be tweaked and all the while able to execute really well for our guests. and, you know, so a lot of negatives in 2020 with the pandemic, but for us a lot of positives in allowing us to have different opportunities and other business owners maybe haven't had in the past. able to start slower and execute well. neil: you're doing a lot of things right. and obviously the menu is different enough for people to say, you know, that is worth trying. obviously, people have been saying that and acting on that because your business is quite strong. i think connecticut is at 50% capacity with plans to extend that still further? what is the rollout? >> yeah. we're at 50% right now and hopefully around the 19th they're allowing us to go to 100%. that helps us out a lot. but, you know, until we have some extended curfews, 50% is where we're at and that's what we have to adjust to and continue to create business to have people enjoy. neil: now, what about your staff? do they get nervous when they know you're on the way to 100% capacity in just a matter of time? because workers still have to wear maskings and everything else. patrons, once they come in, they can take the masks off, but do they get nervous? >> yeah. our staff has been great since the beginning. i was able to find a really professional staff that could come in and really adapt to these changing times. i think another benefit for us is that we grew up in the time of covid, so we can't have to adjust, we just had to continue to move forward. and so that was a real positive for us. the staff is -- they're not scared, they're ready to take on what the summer's going to bring us, which i think is going to be a really, really successful summer and spring. neil: all right. well, you know, there's nothing crazy about you, bryce. you had good timing and the very key was this end venue because the -- menu, the more i look at it, the hungrier i get. the corned beef reuben sounds is incredible. >> it is. neil: hang in there, my friend. i believe in what he's doing. so did his customers who sought him out all the more. all right, in the meantime, i want to take you back up into space. can i do that right now? 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>> i'm doing good, neil. good to see you this morning. neil: same here. let's talk a little bit about what your vaccine kind of rules are. who gets to the front of the line, how big is that line? what are you doing? >> yeah. you know, the main priority we've had is the same plan we set in october, the cdc, and we are absolutely executing that plan just like it was originally put together and making sure we're not doing knee-jerk reactions to everybody wanting to jump the line. our biggest priority is people 65 years and older, the most vulnerable population in our state, and we stayed focused on that. next week we'll go to the next level, but that's, frankly, several weeks ahead of it. and right now we're second in the united states with the lowest positivity rate in the country. and when you have that going because of things we've done, and we never shut our state down, we never shut down the state of missouri. we never did the mandates from the governor's office. so i think a combination of staying with the vaccine plan and making sure we get that done and having the national guard -- i can't say enough for their support -- doing mass vaccine operations. and we will be doing a mega-vaccine operation next week in kansas city, missouri. so there's not enough vaccine. we understand that. everybody does. but, i mean, it's all hands on deck right now, and we're puddle needles in people's -- putting needles in people's arms that want it. neil: the prime minister has a goal of -- the president has a goal of getting everyone that wants to be vaccinated by may 1st. >> you know, i think we'll get close to that. i don't know that you're going to get it all done by may the 1st. i think that's a prediction, wishful thinking, it's going to take us a while to get everybody vaccinate lded. i think the main thing is you get the high risk categories done. i do think we can get that done by the first part of may, and i think you're going to see in the next 60 days where people can go to pharmacy, the health care clinics and probably get vaccines on on their own than having to depend on state governments to run those plans. neil: governor, what is your policy on masks? >> i'm sorry, neil, what was that? neil: i'm sorry. what's your policy on masks, governor? >> well, you know, the next thing we're going to be doing as we move forward is to go to some of the mega vaccines and then also we'll take that next stage of people that comes in, and we'll be in what we call phase three. and phase three we'll get pretty close to the entire general public that's out there. so, again, we're about two weeks ahead of everything we've predicted so far at this point. so we just keep moving that to the next level. neil: governor, thank you very much. very little fanfare. you've just been very diligent throughout this process, and it seem to be working. mike parson, governor of the beautiful state of missouri. we appreciate that, sir. be well, be safe. >> thank you, neil. appreciate it. neil: all right. in the meantime here, do you have any security cameras at your home? do you ever wonder if someone else is looking at them or through them? well, hundreds of companies have been hacked. their cameras, more to the point, have been hacked. if it can happen to them, do you still think it can't happen to you? 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let's go to a cybersecurity expert, great on all these matters. can always understand paul, so that's one thing i appreciate. paul, that's the first thing people are going to say, right? wait, if it can happen to a big company -- tesla, by the way, is denying it happened to them, but they were on the list, i know. how real a threat is this? >> thanks for having me. it's a very significant net, and unfortunately, the cyber hack was a very simple one. they didn't have the hack into the system. the hackers just found the credentials for an account that let them access any camera feed they wanted to online. it really wasn't very sophisticated. the damage is pretty significant that can happen. obviously, you have the live stream which can be used to harm people, but you also have data on the people that are being picked up by the video. i mean, if you imagine, if this had been a tesla r&d facility, be able to know what parts are being worked on. that could be very damaging. don't get me wrong, it's a very good thing. we use computer vision all the time for our customers, we focus on identifying participants with 2-d and 3-d data. but at the same time, you bear a lot of responsibility as a company when you're dealing with that level of data from the customer. and you shouldn't have super admin accounts that can be exposed that simply. neil: now, individuals with home security cameras generally don't kind of think of this stuff, but i'm wondering if it's going to put a chill on sales when people say, wait a minute, it's one thing to be protecting my property, but now i've got to protect myself from people watching me protecting my property. [laughter] >> that's a good way to put it. at the end of the day, there is something you can do here. this is a fairly unusual type of hack, and it's easy to overcome this kind of a risk. so there's a few things you want to look for with a company, there are a rot of measures we take -- a lot of measures. three things, multifactor authentication. when you log in, you shouldn't just need your user and password. you should also have to verify it's there with a text message, e-mail or etc. if you have that and the company uses that, you're probably in good shape. secondly, make sure they're encrypting your data so if somebody does hack into their system, how easy is it to utilize they data. and thirdly, and this is a really simple one, do they have the right and the ability to access any account with a super admin skeleton key, if you will, that allows them to get into your account at any time without notifying you or having your permission. i guess from one perspective, i understand why that's useful for them to have, but one of our earliest customers was actually the can department of defense, so we were frustrated at the very beginning. we knew what we could and couldn't do, how to set up the security. if you check for those three things and you just ask the company when you engaging with them if they have those things, that'll give you ad good idea as to whether or not you're at risk from this kind of hack. anything can be hacked, but you'd be fairly safe as long as the company follows those three principles, i would say. neil: yeah. well, that's the thing, if they do. paul powers, thank you very much. we'll get the impact from all of that if they don't. in the meantime here, governor cuomo's still hanging in there. you might have heard him say yesterday he has no intention of resigning. even though an increasing number of democrats and republicans want to impeach him, the numbers just respect there to impeach him. but some startling news for the governor, yeah, they are. the numbers are big enough to go ahead and impeachment after this. ... so you want to make the best burger ever? then make it! that means cooking day and night until you get... 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>> if we look at the last stimulus check and hurdles were lower, you could make more money. one third went to spending immediately. one third went to savings and one third went to paying down your debt, now, we know as higher gas prices, higher interest rates, we might see a little more going to spending and paying down your debt, especially if your credit card interest rates are higher and a little less on savings. so, i think that would be expected given where we are this year versus last time, and that we're going to see a much lower savings rate. neil: you know, we've seen savings though kind of through the roof, right, dan? a lot of people have shored up their finances and their balance sheets here. i'm just wondering, given this added cash and we forget about the child tax credit and it could raise depending on the number of kids, thousands of dollars more. what do you think happens here? >> well, i think a lot of people if they can are going to continue to save the money, neil. and when you look at it, based upon what erin just said, if one third of the people who are getting stimulus checks are simply saving that or putting it in the bank, it means that this program is not targeted enough because this money is not supposed to just go into a savings account. it's supposed to be used for the necessities, food, utilities, rent. those types of things. so, i think what that information tells us, it's not focused in enough on the people that really need it, so i believe if we were going to help people out, we probably should have given more, but have it more targeted as to who gets it. neil: you know, just looking at the markets, rebecca, it's clear that whatever the cost of stimulus and whether it drives us deeper into debt, the financial community doesn't really seem to care, just that it's going to mean more stimulus and all of that is goodment will this be a boom year as a result? and this is just helping it along? >> well, that remains to be seen, neil. it depends on what our reopening looks like second half of the year like we've been saying all along todayment we did see, to erin's point. 2.4% increase in january in personal spending when we got that $600 stimulus, so, about 38% did go to dan's point to, you know, what we need, rent, food, utilities. so we do see some personal-- this is a check almost three times the size of 600 in january and more about people are getting it because you can have dependent adults getting it for the first time. i agree with dan, it's very untargeted. if people are saving this money those are the people that, you know, somehow magically, you know, finagled their way through the shutdown and it's incredible. it remains to be seen, we have to get back out and get back to normal. neil: the next part of this is when people get back to the office. now, the american express ceo says he doesn't expect all employees to return to the office right away, but goldman sachs is making it clear, if he had his druthers, yeah, i'd like to see them all back in the offices by summer. most seem to be looking at late summer, talking businesses in general, early fall. how much of an impact will this have on the oomph we see in the economy as people, you know, sort of get out of this pandemic funk? >> certainly. commuting, obviously, spending on gas, buying a lunch in the afternoon rather than making it at home. all of these things are going to contribute to getting the economy back to normal. i don't see remote working going away completely, but i think it's really going to be more about, more of your leisure, recreational, those types of things that are really going to get the economy going. neil: you know, dan, by almost any measure, we're going to see an improvement not only in the quarter we're in, but the year as a whole. albeit coming off very, very low levels. so it will be eye popping regardless. any indication that you have or you fear that it might not be as eye popping? >> i think it's going to be eye-popping. i think once this economy can get back to normal, we're going to see really an explosion in the economy and i think that the markets are going to do very well and put an asterisk on that, unless we go into a hyperinflationary period and if we do, that means the interest rates will rise and that would have an impact on wall street. neil: you know, rebecca, we look at ira, and higher gas prices, high prices for lumber and everything that goes into a house that have been rocketing. but it's taking it all in relative stride. what has not though, by and large, the nasdaq which did recover from the lows earlier in the week. i'm wondering why that is, why the technology stocks in particular are so sensitive to this backup that's going on in rates. it's not been an alarming backup to your earlier point, but it does seem to have a disproportionate impact on technology. is that because they've run up so far so fast and the first to sort of feel this or what? >> i think it's two-fold, neil. you hit the nail on the head. last year we banked on technology stocks to keep us going and leveraged them and they were perfectly positioned to actually grow in, you know, in a closed society because that's what connects us virtually. so, obviously, 2020 was the year of big tech and tech stocks in general, a bunch of breakouts we know, but the other thing is happening as yields are going up, we have 1625 on the 10-year now, maybe people say i can take some gains, take some profits and go into a little bit of safety. as they see any kind of opportunity to say, maybe i shouldn't have, you know, large cap growth tech, everything that i'm counting on, because the economy is going to go back up, we are going to open up and get breath between sectors. with tech people are saying it's not going to be all tech it's going to be other sectors and maybe some safety with some treasury positions. that's what's happening, neil. neil: yeah, i'm wondering, the things do get more volatile, that gap that we were showing before with the chart and i always like to with people, i built a career on it, look at two rates crossing each other, the yield on the 10-year note and the yield on the s&p 500 and there used to be a chasm between the two essentially meaning that it was foolish of you to think of investing in fixed income because almost nothing for it and stocks were the only place to go. now there's some competition. at least if you want an alternative. is it-- and if this remains the case, should stock investor be worried and should new investor prone to look at stocks be rethinking that? >> so, we're still a ways away. we quite haven't hit that tipping point, but it's something that you should be monitoring. because once you hit that risk reward ratio where bonds and they look a lot more attractive, you'll see-- and the institutional money managers moving cash into bonds and that can have a big impact overall on equities. but i think the bigger impact here, we're really looking at a cyclical economy. this is all about economic growth that's therefore driving the market and we're seeing new types of sectors being leadership, like financials, energy, materials. i think with all of this stimulus, we're pretty safe for now, that the stock market is going to do well in the say, the next 12 months. inflation is something out there you should be worried about, but not just yet. neil: all right. the story of my wife and i got our first place, it was 13 1/2% interest. i've told that story 100 times. all right. guys, thank you very very much. perspective is everything, right? perspective is everything. by the way, just some perspective what's going on in new york with governor cuomo. technically it takes 76 new york state assembly members to impeach a sitting governor. there are 40 calling for him. and deeper into this 120 new york lawmakers are calling for the governor to resign and/or get impeached. of those, 46 new york lawmakers are specifically calling for impeachment. so i know it goes back and forth, but the fact is that the tide is going against him, not to him after this. 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harassment or inprep behavior. the governor responding saying he'll not step down. >> i never harassed anyone. never abused anyone, never assaulted anyone. now, and i never would, right? >> the latest accusation comes from journalist jessica bakeman. she spoke to the new york magazine saying andrew cuomo's hands have been on my body, my hands, arms, small of my back often enough by late 2014 i didn't want to go to the holiday party he was hosting for the executive mansion. more lawmakers are sounding the alarm demanding resignation or impeachment and president joe biden supports the rights for the woman to come forward. >> and with subpoena power overseen by the attorney general, he supports that moving forward, we of course have watched the news of a number of lawmakers call for that. >> senate majority leader chuck schumer and senator kirsten gillibrand issuing a joint statement, due to the sexual harassment allegations, it's clear that governor cuomo lost the confidence of governing partners and he should resign. the governor a faces a completely separate investigation, that of the early policies passed during the beginning months of the pandemic that sent recovering covid-19 patients who were at the hospital back to these long-term care facilities. neil, again, a lot of moving parts. neil: you know, alex, you look at this like the richard nixon thing, and, you know, he didn't obviously want to resign, but when it looked like he was going to be impeached, he did. it's very different decades later. i'm wondering if the governor by saying i'm not resigning that he's very confident he could survive impeachment, but given the new, you know, angry democrats and republicans by the day who come out, i'm wondering how long that could be the case. >> that's true, because day by day we're seeing more lawmakers come out either saying he should resign or he should be impeached right now. the process basically of how it would move forward. it would need to go through the assembly and then the state senate for the governor to be impeached. they technically don't have the numbers just yet, but as you mentioned more and more people are continuing to come out saying that he's got to go. neil: all right. alex, thank you for updating us on that. alex hogan in new york on governor cuomo. in the meantime the push to raise the minimum wage. it didn't get to be part of the stimulus measure, but right now in washington they're looking to do it. along comes the ceo of the waffle house to find an alternative to this. not that he's against it, not that he's waffling about it, he has a solution. it's a good one, after this. excuse me ma'am, did you know that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? thank you! hey, hey, no, no, limu, no limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ introducing colliders. ♪ if you love it, spoon it. ♪ your favorite candy flavors twisted, ♪ chopped or layered into cool, 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city apartment kitchen and now the likes of a soccer field, it gives you an idea how big and complex this has gotten to be. i know one analyst referred to it as the four seasons of the stars. i don't know if that was a joke, but it's certainly of that size and these astronauts are doing what they can to spruce it up and renovate as i guess any four seasons would go. we'll keep you updated on that. back on earth if i can focus back and forth over the minimum wage as you know. it was originally was supposed to be part of the stimulus plan and it was torpedoed where the rules were not allowing it to be featured in such a measure, but there's a push and along comes the waffle house ceo to say i have a better idea, a more doable idea and it's one that my industry and businesses in general might support as well. there's a concept. we thought it would be nice to talk to him. walt, good to have you, thank you. >> thank you, neil. appreciate being on your show. >> so, can you explain how this works. it sounds like it has a more doable strategy behind it. could you explain? >> yeah, we looked at a lot of numbers thrown around and people were defending no or defending a number. what we decided was nobody knows more about our work force and our associates than we do and we, no offense to the folks in d.c., we do this every day in terms of building compensation systems and i think where we got off track with the minimum wage over time was, we would argue about it over a period of time, we'd set a number and leave it alone for too long and so what we're proposing is to go back to when we first established the minimum wage, put it on a cost of living adjusted track, give businesses a time to, time to adjust to that track over the course of a few years, and then adjust it going forward so we mix the system and not just the number. because there is no real one size fits all. what we're proposing is more of a federal floor wage that high cost of living states could build off of if they needed to, but where we ensure every worker in this country earnings, their wages keep up with the cost of living over time and i think that's fair for everybody and most people and most businesses in this country think the minimum wage should be raised. we thought instead of argue about it, propose a solution. neil: you know, well, you probably heard from some prominent democrats, bernie sanders among them and alexandria ocasio-cortez says it's 15 or above. they say 15 at a minimum. they're not going to entertain nor do they want to entertain a lesser figure. what do you make of that? >> well, 15 is a number that means something very different in manhattan than it does in malltry, georgia. what we're proposing is index over time, keep a floor, you know, rising perpetually as the cost of living was rising and then if high cost of living states needed to add on top of that, they could. i don't think that one number in a one size fits all makes sense. we're not as concerned about the number as we are about the process. there needs to be a process to fix this and then a process to keep it fixed going forward so that all the workers in this country can have their wages keep up with the cost of living. neil: yeah, and i interview all of these and places look at what the wage should be right now should we just kept up with inflation, it would be more like $12, 12.30 an hour not the $15 an hour some are proposing. what kind of reaction do you get from even a fellow restaurant owners business owners? >> you know, i've been really encouraged that most of the people i've talked to in the restaurant industry and other industries are pretty supportive of this. i think everybody wants to see change. they just want to make sure that it's something that they can adjust to over time because businesses need to adjust and the consumers need to adjust, and so, as long as we're not shocking business, and we give them time to adjust, i think we could get restaurants and other retailers and other people in this other businesses in this country on board for a plan like this that was something they could count on on plan for in their forward-looking plans, you know, for each of their businesses. neil: all right. well, thank you very much, you must be doing something right. you have the delicious waffles and high carbohydrate foods and you're thin as all get out. >> protein, too. neil: i'm jealous of you. keep us posted on this and it's actually very wise strategy so we can end the constant debate on this. just have to set in and social security, cost of living process. and i want to go back to space and some of these images are stunning. and people look at this and say no way it's coming from space. yes, it is. you're watching the astronauts, this is glover's fourth space walk, the fifth for hopkins. i wonder if they compare and say, yeah, mine first one was one hour, mine was two hours. i doubt it. and the top 10 of whoever walked in space when it was quite 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we'll show you here. you can see how many migrants they have here having to process them right on the site rather than taking them back to the areas where they traditionally would have because the numbers are so huge. let's put you up to the sky with our drone camera and you can see the winding road between where i am and the levee in the distance and you'll see the white buses like in the photos, coming down here all day long. neil, i've been out here four hours and counted 11 buses of migrants leaving this specific area right here, and this is all part of the problem of why senator cornyn and congressman cuellar, a guest on your show, in laredo seeing it firsthand. here is congressman cuellar. >> we were talking kids there, 13 to 17. what messages do you hear there? i see it on tv. it's what they're seeing, they're seeing people coming through and those are the messages coming through, as long as they do that, they're going to keep coming. >> speaking of coming, look at just in this rtv sector in the last 24 hours, 1,940 apprehensions, 21,872 for just this year to 2021, up 177%. now, add to it the narcotics problem and tweeting in the span of four days border patrol agents seized more than 1800 pounds of narcotics and add those together incredible numbers and consider the border patrol has to detain, process and transport migrants, it's allowing cartels to just move drugs as a distraction and that's why they're tweeting incredible numbers. when i tell you in just in sector apprehensions are up 177%, well, we can assume that narcotics being up 177% in terms of profits for cartels because the agents will tell you, the cartels control everything that comes across that border, neil. neil: just incredible as has been your reporting griff. take a look yourself. there's no substitute for that. and griff jenkins in texas. brandon, i wanted to pick your brain for solutions, if you don't mind. let's say you're in charge of all things at the border. what would you do? >> no, and i'm glad you asked that question. that's what we have to look at. it's easy to identify problems, it's easy to find problems, it's hard to come up with solutions. what this administration has effectively done, they've brought back catch and release, something done away with under the last administration so we have to look at a way, how can we end catch and release, end that magnet as it's drawing so many here. the simple solution, set up courts, do not release people in the united states. hire judges and court reporters, and assign them immediately. doj said this they can be adjudicated within 180 days. this they are week stop the false asylum claims. we have to look at legitimate claims, but we have to send back people with false asylum claims and that's what we're not doing. >> let's talk about these migrant kids many of whom are going to be shipped off to, i believe, a california space/defense facility. we don't know how long. is there a risk in that? because these are unaccompanied minors and maybe owing to the drug cartels and everything else that could be playing here. if they're in the united states at these facilities, i suspect that won't be a short visit. >> so when hhs takes custody of these children, they have to try to find family members or foster homes that they can send these children to, pending their asylum hearings, so again, we're perpetuated this issue. we're inviting people to cross our borders illegally. as dire as the situation sounds, there's one thing that i'm confident in. i'm confident in our current secretary. he has a great deal of experience. he knows border security issues. whether the administration is actually going to listen to him or not remains to be seen, but he does know what needs to be done so let's hope that he does, in fact, set these courts up. let's hope that he hires these judges so that we can adjudicate this issue. if we do that, we will solve the illegal immigration problem once and more all as far as inviting people to come here illegally and focus on the cartels, we can focus on the drugs. we can focus on the aliens from other countries. neil: that was brilliant. unlike other guests who like to complain with the other party, you found that to be a waste of time. and looking for a solution that's not outlandish, there's a concept. brandon judd, thank you. >> thank you. neil: the national border patrol council president. we have' got to get over the name calling, one side horrible to the other and et cetera, et cetera. the bottom inliao, whether you want to call it a crisis or whatever, it's a serious situation. a good situation i want to pass to you, this is coming from the tsa saying that it has screened 1.3 million people at airport security points as of friday. that is the highest number of passengers since march 15th, 2020. and it continues in improvements, built on an improving economy and not the least of which and it's coming airlines' way to keep up with increasing demand. this is still a third of what it was at its height for the airline industry, but it is more than double, in fact, in many so airports, more than quadruple the numbers we were looking at and the worst days of the pandemic. that was then, hopeful signs now. stay with us, you're watching fox business and news. want to make a name for yourself in gaming? then make a name for yourself. even if your office, and bank balance are... far from glamorous. that means expensing nothing but pizza. your expenses look good, and your books are set for the month! ...going up against this guy... and pitching your idea 100 times. no, no, no! no. i like it. -he likes it! ...and you definitely love that. intuit quickbooks helps small businesses be more successful with payments, payroll, banking and live bookkeeping. >> all right. 100 million vaccines promised. already 130 million plus delivered. here is the thing though, that gap between the-- what has been, you know, delivered versus what has actually been put into people's arms. so there's a gap of 32 million here, far more vaccines available than people who are getting them. so the vaccines makers, something is clogged up at the state level and they're trying to widen it out and making sure that every state is parcelling out as aggressive as they can. and we told you about alaska, anyone 16 or older can get one. and former utah governor, he can look at this from two different fronts. secretary, always good having you, that is a devil of a worry, isn't it? i mean, no shortage of vaccines, they're coming out fast and furiously, but, again, the gap between those getting them and those that are there. so much sits on shelves. how do we deal with that? >> it's always execution, always. neil: right. >> and it's good that we have a problem where our demand has not kept up with supply. that means we're not suffering with supply and we did for a long time. we're going to get better at this as we go. that's the way it is. it takes time to stand up this kind of process and they have to refine at every state how they're doing it, we're getting faster. i think we'll continue to get faster. neil: you know, when i look at this and the rollout now, people can get a little ahead of themselves. now, you've been a governor so you know what it's like and the temptation when you get rid of restrictions and how far do you go to get rid of them. the texas governors come under some criticism for even getting rid of the mask mandate, but they're varying approaches to this, so maybe that's an overreaction. having said that, the people when they hear things are opening up or that the baseball season will begin and in texas arlington stadium will be allow to fill to capacity, i think 40,000 to watch the rangers. so is that wise or should we stagger it more? what do you think? >> i see it as unwise. i think we're going to have to work our way back into this. i don't think we're completely through the periods where there'll be spikes. we have a long ways to go on vaccines. vaccines are not going to prove to be perfect, but we're making a lot of progress. we've got to celebrate that and do what we can to move as rapidly as we can safely. this is in-- we're in a covid era, not in a covid episode. woo we'd like to push the easy button and get it done. we're impatient to get the rhythm of our lives to resume and to a large extent they will. but it would be unwise in my view to take all restrictions off and begin to celebrate like it never happened. neil: we're learning that china aims to vax night up to 80% of its population by mid 2022. it's a billion people and maybe different aggressive strategies are called for, but it made me wonder what's happening there, slowly rollout or slower rollout of vaccines of what's happening in europe or italy, i guess, they're going to be in a lockdown yet again for another easter. germany, a third wave of these various variants. and in europe where the pace has been in general slower. should we worry that could happen to us? >> i think we have to worry that could happen to us. because we're not exempt from it. we're still looking at still-- we're still looking at in low teens in the number, percentage of people who have actually completed the process, we'll get there, but in the meantime, we have to take the right kind of precautions to keep us from spiking or doing things that are unnecessary that harm people. i'm as ready to get back as anyone and i celebrated last monday when i became officially innoculated. it was a big day for me, but i recognize i still need to wear a mask in certain situations, not just for me, but for other people, but i may be fully vaccinated, but i'm not 100% safe yet and neither is anybody else. neil: yeah, just some common sense. we needed to hear that. michael leavitt, former utah governor. >> neil, good to see you. neil: states that are complaining and now teaming up to go after the biden administration over all of these climate change executive orders. their issue isn't so much that the orders are obnoxious and cost them a lot of money, but his doing it alone on an executive order after this. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. ♪ usaa ♪ ♪♪ (car horn) ♪♪ turn today's dreams into tomorrow's trips... with millions of flexible booking options. all in one place. expedia. >> you can't do that, that's essentially the read from a growing group of republican state attorneys general who are wondering how it is the biden administration can enact all of these sweeping climate change orders, some of which could cumulatively go into the billions of dollars for states with just the stroke of a pen. my next guest is among them. leslie rutledge from arkansas. attorney general, thank you for taking the time. >> thank you, neil. always a pleasure. neil: bottom line of what the president wants to do. you're arguing and your colleagues are arguing, you can't do it via executive order, right? >> that's right, we're seeing president biden take the same playbook that president obama did and use pen and paper to eliminate americans jobs. this with regard to greenhouse gases could eliminate hundreds if not thousands of american jobs and increase the cost of energy for americans. and it's all based on this executive order that claims to put science first, but what it actually does it give a make believe social cost. what is social cost? a 9.5 trillion dollar social cost? that's a made up number by bureaucrats, non-elected unaccountable people doing nothing more than shoving their liberal policies down the throats of americans and my home state of arkansas know r. neil: you know, attorney general, there are many democrats who argued it was all well and good for you and your colleagues to not complain about donald trump's executive orders that also went beyond just, you know, presidential privy. so, i understand that comes into play here, but you're saying as well that congress coming up with this as legislation is one thing. the president ordering it via stroke of a pen is another. could you explain that difference? >> well, certainly. and i don't want congress or the president to come up with this terrible idea. however, the president has and it's the role of congress to step in and to put in these environmental policies. it is not for the president to simply again, use his pen and paper to eliminate jobs and give it a 9.5 trillion dollar social cost, which is absolutely made up. what is social cost? i think that's what americans really have to ask themselves and arkansas asking what is social cost? we're talking about the price of milk going up, the price of gas. my husband is a row crop farmer, when he takes soy beans to the mill it's going to cast more because president biden and kamala harris are standing in front of the congress. neil: it looks like you and fellow republican attorneys general, i'm wondering if you reached out to any democratic attorneys general? >> i did not personally. they're woman -- welcome to support states rights. we support the law and our state's rights so i welcome them. neil: for now it's only republicans so democrats are saying this is political. you could just as easily argue that, you know, what they're doing is political in not joining this. where is this going, do you think? >> well, you know, right now to the federal courts so we're going to fight it all the way, if need be, up to the u.s. supreme court. again, neil, this is about american jobs, energy independence and national security at risk. whether or not the unelected bureaucrats came up with in on john kerry as the jet, we're going to fight this in the courts with the biden-harris administration or if i say the harris-biden administration and we're going to have to deal with more of the executive orders overreaching and encroaching on state's rights. neil: thank you, the attorney general from the state of arkansas. we'll be monitoring this and see where it goes. that will do it here. wait, this isn't a hot-dog stand? no, can't you see the sign? wet. teddy. bears. get ya' wet teddy bears! one-hundred percent wet, guaranteed! or the next one is on me! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ new projects means new project managers. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a short list of quality candidates from our resume database. claim your seventy five dollar credit, when you post your first job at indeed.com/home. >> this is a live look at the u.s. southern border 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