Candidates. Theyre all smart people. Theyre all conservatives and apart from the few headtohead explosions that we all could have done without there was far more agreement on issues than disagreement. Energy, inflation, overregulation, wokeness, china warnings the biggest division was probably overukraine. You can be unfair there were no magical moment zinger lines but they are hard to come by. This is memorable one from Ronald Reagan. Governor reagan typically is against another proposal. Governor . There you to go again. Larry there you go, that one is still playing 40 years later. At different points during the debate each of the candidates had their moments. The pundits are scrambling around to pick winners and losers. Honestly i dont think anybody totally stood out. I dont think there were any real breakout, breakouts. Some minor polling hiccups here and there but frankly the big picture doesnt change. Former. President biden donald trump is overwhelming favorite to win the gop nomination. He is the prohibitive favorite. I dont think the debate last night, like the one before it changes mr. Trumps front running status. Now i was disappointed that there was no one who struck me as a real commanderinchief of the economy or for that matter commanderinchief of national security. I didnt see that. Nor did i see any clear Economic Growth and prosperity messaging. No one really blasted the big guest socialism of bidenomics, nor did anyone really make a clear case for a return to Free Enterprise capitalism as an engine of growth and prosperity. No one really called for and across the board slashing of marginal tax rates to grow the economy at 4, 5, or 6 . I was disappointed. I dont think anyone really convinced voters that the gop will absolutely be the best stewards of future growth and prosperity. Again there were snippets of this here and there over the two hour period, you can see each candidate bucking in but no comprehensive plan, no oomph. There was no real medium rare steak that was so good i wanted to it take home some slices and share it with my little doggie. I didnt wake up with this morning with a single highlight in your brain. I had a couple favorites to share with you, a all right . For example, senator tim scott bravely attacked the Great Society welfare spending he believed was so damaging to africanamerican families. Take a listen to this. Heres the challenge though, plaque families surviveed slavery, we survived poll taxes and literacy tests. We survived discrimination being woven into the laws of our country. What was hard to survive was johnsons Great Society where they decided to put money or decided to take the black father out of the household to get a check in the mail and you can now measure that in unemployment, in crime, in devastation. If you want to restore hope, you have got to restore the family, restore capitalism and put americans back at Work Together as one american family. Larry wow, you know, that is just heavy stuff. I just loved what tim scott did. I totally agree with senator scott. I think by the way the data and evidence completely supports his view regarding the economic, the family and societal damage of welfare spending. So that was a great moment. Probably no one will really in the punditry talk about it. The liberal media will hate it. Kudos to tim scott saying that. The closest i saw to Economic Growth plan came from Vivek Ramaswamy. Take a listen to him. What we need is to deliver Economic Growth in this country. Unlock american energy, drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear energy, put people back to work by no longer paying them more money to stay at home. Stablize the u. S. Dollar itself and rescind a majority of those unconstitutional federal regulations that are hampering our economy. Larry all right. That was wellsaid and wellpackaged in one nice, brief moment. Good for vivek. I have dont think the others really disagree with them. He put it together in a strong, hardhitting fashion. Now again look it, debates dont decide primaries. Polls dont decided primariess. Voters have not voted yet. Frankly i dont think last nights debate changed the fact that former President Trump has a very strong hold on the Republican Party and that is my riff. That is my view. So my brief thoughts but now lets talk about it some more with our expert experts. Theyre not in california so im very lonely but i will get over it. Mark simone, wor radio show host, hall of fame nominee by the way, john carney, breitbart economics, coauthor of the breitbart business digest with his cult following, and joe concha, media, politics columnist at the messenger, Fox News Contributor and his cult following book, come on man, the truth about joe bidens terrible, bad, horrible presidency. I love that. Mark simone, you heard my thoughts, what did i miss . Am i wrong, does yesterday, last night change anything . Does donald trump still haves he very strong hold on the Republican Party or are there hiccups or what . Im not as positive as you are about last night. You gave them the perfect setting, the magnificent reagan library. You had the fox business network, most dignified classy network you could be on, they were yelling, screaming interrupting jumping up and down like bad game show contestants. Covered up substance what they were saying, nobody, nobody moved the needle last night. If anybody benefited maybe Vivek Ramaswamy only because they kept attacking him all night, kept hitting him making him seem like he was the frontrunner. Chris christie has to drop that whole thing trump is coward. We watched what donald trump has gone through last few months. Nobody thinks he is a coward. That line has got to go. Larry nikki haley had some good points, one thing i didnt like, mark, she has school marmish way slapping down did it to vivek and couple people too. I dont know where that is coming from. I dont think that helped her at all. I think last night probably heard her whole position. What do you think . She has a mean streak. Get as wonderful job from donald trump and then leaves calling him a racist. That was awful. Next thing you know she was his friend again. I dont trust her. The fact that vivek is using tiktok is not the most outrageous thing in the world. He has a point, great way to communicate with many generations. Wrong to go after him. May be things wrong with him but dumb is not one of them. Larry i dont like the school marmish one of them. Joe concha, weigh in on the debate, whether it changes anything . Doesnt change anything, im in agreement there. Last nights debate felt like watching the playin game to make the ncaa tournament without donald trump there were more than three months away from iowa, yet there is this feeling of inevitability at this point. Two polls came out this week, washington post, abc news, harris. First one trump 10 points over biden. Second one from the messenger, trump by five. Were seeing trump is favored to beat biden in the general, according to realclearpolitics betting averages. The trend is very real. To your point in the monologue, larry, how do any candidates stand out contrast with donald trump when they agree with him on almost every issue from a mock crow perspective, on the economy, lower inflation, increase wages, get back to energy independence, secure the u. S. Southern border, how to give power back to parent in education, how to make people feel safer in their towns and communities again. There is no contrast, trumps base is so loyal, you cant use the argument he is not electable i am with trump leading in the polls, how do you make inroads at this point . Larry those are great points, common sense points. I agree with you. John carney after the first debate you wrote the great piece inflation was the number one issue but the republicans didnt talk about inflation. You godded it up with another piece about the economy. Last night, how many times did you hear inflation or the economy . In other words, john, did they get to the meat and potatoes of why bidenomics is did a little better this time. They did a little better this time, larry, than last time. It definitely came up. Part of it was Stuart Varney began with the economy. That was great to focus in on something that was very important. The candidates did an okay job actually, a couple times when they were asked, maybe not so Great Questions of pivoting to Economic Issues which what i thought they absolutely needed to do but frankly they really should have driven home the point on inflation a lot more. There are some issues that ties back to inflation. I was just reading Ronald Reagan from back in 1980 where he explained to people very well that Interest Rates were so high because inflation was so high. Housing was unaffordable because Interest Rates are so high. These are very important points to draw the connections to voters. Hey, you know why you cant afford a house right now . Because Interest Rates are so high. You know why Interest Rates are so high . Because bidenflation drove them so high. Were having a strike of uaw workers. Why are they striking . Because bidenflation drove their wages through the floor. These are points a republican candidate can very easily make. I didnt hear any of them really making that point. As you say, vivek did a good job of drawing together all of the plans but nobody else really did. Larry you know, john, i agree with you listening to your critique. I dont think they got to the kitchen table. I dont think they really got to the worrisome nature, you know, the pocketbook issues, as you say. Prices are rising faster than wages. That is what the uaw strike is about in large measure but that is a generic problem across the board. That is why joe biden has whatever, 25 Approval Rating on the economy, because, people are getting killed and gasoline and food and all the rest of it. They didnt quite get there. There were snippets of it. Vivek put it together pretty good but you know, mark simone, i wanted to see a full blast, full bore bidenomics is Big Government socialism to use Newt Gingrichs phrase a year ago. Newt is coming on the show a bit later and a fullthroated support of Free Enterprise economic capitalist. Go for it. That is what republicans why, democrats have become socialists and we want to know that republicans are going to stay on the capitalist path because thats what will restore growth. I didnt hear that. I like to pound it, mark simone. I dont know, maybe im asking too much. No youre not. This is what you want in a debate. Youre looking for a big plan, the big picture but you need somebody big to do that. Donald trump said, he didnt see a president up there. Theyre not big enough, president ial enough. Frankly theyre just a collection of very good middle managers. There is not a ceo in the bunch yet. Larry yeah. The commanderinchief ceo can i tell you my favorite line of the night . Larry yes. My favorite line of the night didnt come from the debate stage, it was donald trump saying that in his administration the gas engine will be legal and transgender surgery will be banned. This was a great line. It brought together the Economic Issues facing the country and it brought together the cultural issues were facing. One sentence, nobody on that stage can rival that. That is why he is the frontrunner right now. Larry youre right he does it in a way nobody does it. Like the cnn debate he said drill, baby, drill which became joe concha, i like my debaters to really debate, like at oxford in england or something. I like them to slam bang. I wanted them to really Slaughter Joe biden, okay . Take no prisoners. Call him every name in the book, show this, and show that. Thats whats missing. There is like this, you know, what im getting at . Like your book, your title, three lines of how bad biden is. They should have used the title of your book, it would have been more effective. Go ahead, joe, last word. Okay, borrowing from Ronald Reagan, you played one clip before in a debate with jimmy carter. I thought his line against carter was even better when he said are you better off than four years ago . Are you better on than two years ago, overwhelmingly majority will say no. Do you think joe biden will get better or worse with age if he goes into second term. Almost all including democrats will say no. That is pretty easy choice to make, isnt it . Larry it is. Life goes on. Primaries polls, first voting is in iowa, which is in what four months. We shall see. Joe concha, thank you, mark simone thank you, john carneys thank you. Coming up here on kudlow at reagan library, simi valley. It is kind of lonely out here, not that many people. More thoughts on the great story, congressman Byron Donalds and by the way the Oversight Committee is meeting. What evidence did the Oversight Committee have, firms biden impeachment hearing, well ask byron all that stuff when kudlow returns. Simi valley library, wonderful place. Come out to visit the reagan library. 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Let me get your do you have quick thoughts on last nights gop debate . Look my initial thought is, nobody broke through, larry. Theyre all food good people. They all want the best thing for the country. The leader in the house remains donald trump. I called him last night, congratulations sir you won the debate. Nobody got traction to come close to his numbers. Until that changes i will see everybody in iowa. Larry you know that was my my riff. So you and i on my same page. By the way trump loves you. He thinks your the cats meow. Byron, lets talk about todays impeachment hearing. There is new evidence, Money Laundering evidence, text messages, bank records. What can you tell us about what popped up at the hearing . So today what we did we had an organized focus on all the information that has come up through all of our investigations here in congress. The craziest thing about the hearing the democrats didnt even want to talk about the evidence we brought. They wanted to talk about everything else, which means they know this is really, really bad for joe biden. We believe we laid the foundation for going to get bank records and other Financial Information to now track the flow of money from these businesses to hunter biden and threw hunter biden to family members of the biden family in my view including joe biden himself. That is where were going with this and listen if that is where the evidence leads us, i think you have everything you need to see that would be grounds for articles of impeachment. Larry byron, one of the pieces of evidence coming out, i dont know, the last, 24, 48 hours, bank records that were sent to joe bidens home in wilmington, delaware, when it was supposed to go to hunter when hunter was out on the west coast in l. A. They sent it right to joe bidens home. To me that sounds indicting but is eight big deal . It is a big deal. Im 44 years old, i love my mom, if i had a wire payment coming in it wouldnt be going to her addressed in brooklyn, new york. I dont live there. That is me bring up all the issues. The stuff doesnt add up. Well continue to do our work. Well not be like nancy pelosi and democrats, we wont rush to judgment because we wanted to get somebody, the evidence dictates this. Impeachment is so serious for our country we have to make sure we have it completely right with all the facts on the table. Larry so 100 agree, but, byron, other stuff has come out two more senior irs agents came out last week and they backed up the earlier irs agents regarding the Justice Department and other matters on the tax thing. Also im reading in the wall street journal today, i think the woman who testified at your committee who used to be in the Justice Department for tax policy said that hunter biden actually may well be liable for all the back taxes he did not pay and the statute of limitations wont apply . Oh, listen, i think she is absolutely correct and heres a question for the president , why dont you care about your son paying his fair share . Youre always talking about everybody else. He should pay his fair share as well, including all fines and associated and interest, mind you for not paying taxes on time for evading the tax code. This is how hypocritical this family is, lecture everybody else about taxes meantime they knew hunter was skipping out on the taxman and didnt give a blinking eye. They didnt care. Larry may catch up to him. That story is not over. The Foreign Agent registration story is not over. All of that will probably tie together with papa joe. Byron, can i just switch gears a little bit . Sure. Larry there may be a important vote tomorrow on a funding bill. We had speaker Kevin Mccarthy on the show last night and i thought it was interesting he is tying Border Security with the funding bill. He spoke out of course on the catastrophe at the border. Do you support that approach and, do you reckon a vote will pass or are we facing a shutdown . I do support the approach because at the end of the day the southern border must be secured. We cannot continue to fund a government that will not do its primary job which is securing this nation and securing its people. It makes no sense to do this. So i think that if we have a resolution where youre cutting spending in a meaningful way, youre securing our southern border, i can vote for that because what is the senates prerogative . Keep the spending going. Dont do anything on our southern border. By the way give 6 billion to ukraine. Thats a joke. What is the white houses proposal . More money out the door. Not concerned about the inflation that is hurting every american whether theyre republican, theyre democrat, theyre black, they are white. Everybody is being hit with this. House republicans are the ones with the solution. I would support them in that measure. Were still, larry, let me be clear, were still going through the process of passing appropriation bills here in the house because we have to clean out the rot that is in all of our federal agencies. Larry sure, i mean, look, regular order, regular budget order, 12 appropriations bills, transparency, you always talk to me about the need for transparency, so the taxpayers can see what is going on. No big omnibus bill. So can you get a cr . I guess the vote is tomorrow. 30 or 45 days, gives you time to do the appropriations and includes Border Security measure . Can a cr pass, byron . Honestly were going to see, larry. There is a lot of negotiations, a lot of conversations going on with members right now. I would not support 45 days. I think that is too long. 30 days is the longest i will go, one thing i know about this town, you have to hold their feet to the fire to get stuff done. I think 30 days will be enough. We have a ton of work to do. Were just getting started. Larry congressman Byron Donalds, thank you as always. Terrific stuff, we appreciate it. Coming up americans want to cut spending, americans want to cut spending, did we hear enough of that last night . Not sure there was enough. Newt gingrich has written a very strong oped piece about this and then were going to ask mr. Wonderful, kevin oleary, if last nights debate was bullish or bearish for the stock market . How about tying those loose ends together . All that when kudlow returns from simi valley from the reagan. Myer new car, when her windshield cracked. [gasp] customer my car tech vo she didnt take it to the dealer. She scheduled with safelite. We have the latest technology for the newest vehicles. And we do more replacements and recalibrations than anyone else. Customer thank you so much. Tech dont wait schedule now. Pop music singers safelite repair, safelite replace. Were traveling all across america talking to people about their hearts. Ooh, take this exit. Hows the heart . 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Larry all right, amidst debates and fiscal battles in washington americans want to cut government spending, that according to Newt Gingrich in a recent oped piece. My question is, did we hear enough about cutting spending in last nights debate . Lets ask aforementioned Newt Gingrich, former speaker, Fox News Contributor, author of march to the majority, real story of the republican revolution. Newt gingrich, mr. Speaker, dear friend, your oped was great about cut being spending, absolutely. Did we get enough of that in the debate last night . Newt, i want to ask also, i carried the idea of Big Government socialism which you unveiled, i dont know two years ago plus and i wanted to hear a fullthroated attack on Big Government socialism coming from biden which includes your point about lower spending but i dont think i heard it but i want to ask you because youre smarter about these things than i am. What do you think . No, look i had the same feeling. In fact to be honest i thought trumps speech in michigan was probably more important than the entire debate because he had big ideas. He outlined a case and he made it in a convincing way. I think part of our problem right now is everybody floats on the headlines and they dont dig down what really needs to be done. We should have had last night a talk about affordability, which is really what the average person experiences inflation as. We should have had a talk about Economic Growth which is the only way you can save Social Security and medicare. We should have had talk about dramatically shrinking the government. Frankly, somebody on the stage should have attacked this senate deal which i think is terrible for a continuing resolution which spends 6 billion on ukraine, zero on controlling the bored other and doesnt cut a penny. It is a total sellout and i think that the American People as you know, from my article, we were on a project called americas new majority project which people can find at that website and our data we do every two weeks, we do a national poll, 71 of the country wants to cut spending to bring down inflation and balance the budget. The country, in fact over 55 of the country is willing to have a Government Shutdown if that is what it takes to cut spending and the gap between the American People and the washington elites may be as big as it has ever been in my lifetime. Larry newt, regarding the debate last night again, to all the points youre making you would hear snippets of it but not a fullthroated argument to cut government spending, to stop Big Government socialism and to restore Free Enterprise capitalism which is the engine of four, five, 6 growth which in turn would help solve entitlements and reduce the debt burden and whatnot. I kept waiting, really slam. Look, bidenomics deserves to be slammed. I didnt hear that. It was there, newt, but it wasnt fullthroated and they were too busy kind of taking potshots at each other which was unseemly. So, i dont know, i dont think it change ad thing. I dont think it change ad thing. Well in my mind, clarissa and i watched both debates. Our conclusion last night this is over. Nobody is going to break out. Nobody is going to be particularly aggressive. Look, i think desantis has a great story in florida. I think tim scott is a wonderful u. S. Senator. I think nikki haley has a lot of good things to say, you back out of all of that, look at it, none of them will overtake trump. Trump will be the nominee. I think this should be the last debate. Lets go on, accept the fact that trump will be the nominee and figure out how we beat biden, win the senate and increase our majority in the house. I think wasting the next six months dancing around makes no sense at all because none of these guys can break through. The reason is what you said if somebody doesnt have it in here and in here and theyre not prepared to look the American People in the eye and say heres how sick the system is, here is what has to be done to fix it and if we fix it, here is how your pay is going to go up, your job will get better, your future will be better, well help save Social Security and medicare and well be a much stronger country than china. If they cant do that all this back and forth looking like 7th graders in a bad play, i think doesnt help anybody, and frankly it is a little demeaning. Larry you know, newt, 100 , all i can say, 100 . I wanted to hear more reagan, fullthroated reagan. I kept waiting and listening, oh, my gosh. Newt gingrich, nobody you and i both worked with reagan. You did in the white house, i did as a member of congress, but here is the problem, you never heard reagan try to be somebody else. I want reagans ideas and as you know when we did the contract with america we stood on reagans shoulders. Every single idea in the contract was something reagan had been for but this generation needs its own new version of leadership which is what trump has been giving it and this generation needs to come to grips with the fact that the world has changed. If reagan were alive today, he were running for president today, he would have the same core philosophy but he would be applying it in a very different world. Larry yeah. I think when you look at flashmobs in philadelphia, you look at feign it nil killing more people than the vietnam war, borders i think are total deliberate disaster there, is article today, there is a town of 75,000 made up entirely of Illegal Immigrants just outside of houston. This stuff is nuts. Somebody needs to be prepared to say, this is crazy and this is how well fix it. Larry yeah. I agree. Wellsaid, newt, wellsaid. We could talk to you forever, i have to jump out. Thank you ever so much. We appreciate it as always. Take care. Up next joining us my pal kevin oleary, chairman of oleary investors, shark tank investor, author of, cold hard truth on business, money and life. Student ever investing that you are watching the republican deep bait last night did you go out and buy tons and tons of stocks or did you sell stocks or did you do anything . You. Know, larry, im a policy guy. I look for policy. Thats what i care about, that is how i invest. You never make money in politics, you make money in policy and you didnt get any policy last night. Im disappointed. And i understand why but i dont think anybody scored any killer punches in this and im not sure polls advanced for anybody. I thought nikki haley had some interesting moments but does that translate into any kind of. I think you know, unless something happens over the next two debate, i think they will keep going, it is going to get difficult here because basically running out of time. January is not that far away and we dont have any momentum anywhere. There is no, you know, everybody is a critic of the next morning after a debate but wow, do we need some policy. Like, throw me a bone on policy. Give me something to gnaw on. Make me excited about a new direction. Give me anything, but i got nothing, wow, i got a little boring. Larry yes it did. You have to come to new york to sit with me on the set to you can talk policy with me. I want to do that. Im in new york. Where are you, larry . Larry at the moment im in simi valley, california, were flying back tonight. Well get together, well talk policy together. So, kevin i kind of agree with you about the debate. Can i ask you a couple things, random thoughts almost. Were very close to 100 a barrel oil, okay . The longterm Interest Rates have been rising. The 10year went through 4. 60 yesterday. I dont know if it is holding today. It seems like Interest Rates up, stocks down although the stock market is going back and forth. What are you thinking here about stocks and the economy and Interest Rates and oil prices . Lets deal with oil first, larry. There are two sectors of the economy that affect all 11. That is Financial Services and energy. So lets deal with oil at 100 bucks or maybe north of that. This is where you get concerned it is changing input costs for all sectors. Every sector that makes products or services need energy, some more than others. Even pharmaceuticals need oil. As the input costs go up you start to inflate the cost of making these goods and services and it really makes inflation sticky. Now thats the longterm problem. The short term is any politician that is dealing with four dollar gasoline a gallon is going to have a really hard time, i dont care what party youre in. That is the trigger point when voters go to the pump, see the price and really get, for lack of, i cant say what i want to say, they get really unhappy and it is basically bread and energy. If you have to pay a lot for protein and food and your gas prices are high, and i know how everybody wants to spin that out of the inflation numbers, oh, it is into the core. Yes it is core. Everybody fills up their tanker day and they get really mad and that is what will start happening in the next 90 days. Larry oil prices permeate the entire economy. We talked about that on the show. You can read there is like 300 different sectors that refine Petroleum Products affect, that includes food and all the, all of that too. You cant overlook any of that. Economists are so wrong on that issue this is the problem and youre worried about it . And i am was in d. C. Yesterday, bang the drum down the halls of the hill, i do this every month that i will talk to any senator, congressman or woman will talk to me. Well not solve this problem until we produce 18 millions barrels a day. We are at 12. We need 18. It is simple grade five math. It is the core of prosperity. Everybody gets it. It is not that hard to sell. I dont care if youre democrat or republican, they get the joke. I keep saying, you guys write the policy, now write the policy. Lets get this thing going here. Of course i have a hidden agenda. Let me build my refineries. Let me get going in north dakota and cushing and texas, come on i will bring you new stuff that will work at 2 billion, small under 50,000 barrels a day. Give me a permit let me go. Im one guy doing this set me free larry lib rate. It is common sense. Its not Brain Science it is common sense. The whole country knows this, honest to god outside of the administration and the democratic party. Youre right, give me 30 seconds, kevin, market Interest Rates are rising, the bond has gone up to 4. 60 and something, is it going to 5 . What is the Economic Impact real quick, if you would, please . Simply rates are really looking sticky and they will be higher longer and that whole idea the fed will turn around and drop them, i dont think so, larry. We have 50 basis points more to 6 terminal rate. Stocks cant move much higher than that well trade in a range. Meanwhile. Youre making 4, 5, 5. 25 on your cash . That is pretty good. I have a lot of cash making pretty good Interest Rate waiting until the feds move. So is everybody else doing the same thing. Larry thank you, kevin oleary always speaking good common sense, how about that . Youre speaking good come on nonsense. Thank you, larry. Larry my last question about the debate where was the tax talk last night . Like across the board, lower marginal tax rates . 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They only made those temporary. They made the Corporate Taxes permanent. Lets focus on what it takes to get more cash in the pockets of workers. Larry all right, so grover, you know, it was kind of there, not exactly there. Im going to leave it in your lap because you are the expert and you campaigned against taxes for, i dont know, four decades, five decades, so what do you think . Well since the republicans have an advantage on the economy of 21 margin, greater than just about anything else that you can look at, the republicans should have only talked about, tax cuts and Economic Growth and deregulation. It should have been their goto position. Larry yeah. And there are a couple of things, biden is proud of bidenomics. Bidenomics is taxing things you want to do, banning things you want to have, and subsidizing stuff you dont care about. That is bidenomics. They put taxes on new drugs to make it more difficult to get lifesaving drugs in the future. They put taxes on energy. These taxes need to go away, the ones on drugs, price controls they got there, the ones on energy. We need to take the corporate rate down to 14 and the reason why 14 is important because the europeans want to say, no one should go less than 15 . Were not going to let europeans tell us what our tax rates should be. We started shooting the last time they did that back in 1776. We set our own tax rates and we should compete on low taxes, not low wages. Larry grover, what about the top, in fact, the whole personal tax rate system, i mean the top rate is still 37 and then youve got five brackets . Shouldnt we have a cleanup, just slam those rates down, reagan style, consolidate the rates, that kind of supply side reform . Im not hearing any of that, im not hearing any of that . Here is about youre hearing it in the states. 12 states have a flat rate income tax. Seven states are at zero. So that is 19 states that have a single rate tax. Some at zero, some at 3, 4, 5. People like the flat rate. They trust it. They think it is fair. The argument we should be concerned about taking it nationally, take a look, people are, there is another 12 states moving to zero. So the idea of taking the individual rate down, the top individual rate down, going to single rate tax and moving that down, thats very popular state by state by state. I think people would find it popular nationally. Larry you know, youre exactly right. These are all missed opportunities last night, all missed opportunities. Grover, one of your articles you were challenging desantis about taxes. I mean im sure he is for lower taxes but he actually let the Corporate Tax in florida go up. He had a chance to keep it down but he didnt take that. It went up to 5 . At one point it was as low as 3 1 2. The Corporate Tax is very important. It is. It needs to come down. Desantis shares an advisor with romney and he is having similar success with it. The thing he put out a while ago we should maintain our low rates. I dont think the American People view our present tax rates higher than too many other countries, higher than they should be here. We dont have low tax rates. We have high tax rates that need to come down and that needs to be front and center by everyone of our candidates making that point. Taking taxes off the table is the one way to lose the presidency. Larry you know youre so right and what the states are doing, youre so right. A missed opportunity on this last night, absolutely. Grover norquist, thanks ever so much, we appreciate it. Well get there. Larry i will be right back with my last word. When you automate sales tax with avalara, you dont have to worry about things like changing tax rates, exemption certificates or filing returns. AvalarAhhh Ahhh Ahhh ahhh upbeat music awww. Awww. Awww. Nope. Constant Contact delivers the Marketing Tools your Small Business needs to keep up, excel, and grow. Constant contact. 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