The songs in the case of the discipline in is something you can do, and thats clearly just make it tougher for bad people to get anywhere. That restricts the movement of everybody. But thats something i can see that can be done in a political arena. The dissolution of some of the pillars of society, that really matters. On this first day of lent. When people are dismissive of the notion that thoughts and prayers are valuable, they play a tremendous role. David one of the most of tragic picture i have seen is people going to collect their children or try to find their children and with a kroos a cross in n their forehead since today is ash wednesday. The organization that goes to schools and talks to kids about loving one another and about basic human decency. That organization has averted several School Shootings. So that makes a difference. Thoughts and prayers make a difference. David as was pointed out by the sheriff of Broward County. For people to Pay Attention of what goes on on social media websites. This guy put out stuff thats so totally unacceptable and nobody did anything about it. There are warning signs often associated with these things that we often go back and relitigate what happened . The fact that he wasnt allowed to carry a backpack on campus when he was on campus. These things need to get resolved before we get to a national gun law level. David we need a stronger sense of community in this country for people to get together. Everybody is so insular right now. Part of that is because of all the devices we have. The Electronic Devices that allow people not to communicate with one another. If we had had more of that or if people had been more aware. Perhaps this guy would have been targeted long ago. Thats so right. Thats so important, that sense of community. We are seeing it play out in florida where one reporter noted as the shooting was happening and was still active. There were prayer circles forming outside. Groups of people coming together and putting their arms around one another and praying for those kids. That makes a difference in averting these sorts of things. David good to see you both. Im david asman in for lou dobbs tonight. 17 people shot to death today and others wounded at harming are youve stoneman high school. Nicholas cruz had been expelled from the school. He used an ar15 rifle and multiple magazines. He used several social media accounts that sheriff described as very, very disturbing. Joining me, bernard kerik, former new york police commissioner. The city of new york is a place where people fought for thought for decade that the crime situation would get worse every year until Rudy Giuliani came to town and you worked together to crack down on crime like it had never been cracked down on before. We went from 2,200 murder a year. Now its less than 400. Its just over 350. David can you make any analogy between what you guys did in new york and what need to be common the schools . The big focus is intelligence. You talk about social media, phones, things that keep people separated almost, but also there is an enormous amount of intelligence there. As this thing goes on today we learned all this stuff this guy was talking about online, weapons, knife, bombs, the syrian resistance. I have two dmairts high school, a senior and sophomore. If they were sitting around my kitchen look at an Instagram Post by a maniac like this, i m going to call the authorities, ill call the school, i will be concerned. We live in a society where Political Correctness is at the top of the heat and people are scared to death to make the wrong call. Im confident there are parents out there that heard their kid talking about this that feel they should have said something. Everybodiened the sun at this point everybody knew. Everybody, the kid, the school, everybody knew. In that case, what was he doing with the weapons. David bobby, there is so much propaganda about what bernie was saying. If you see something, Say Something. We are told constantly in new york, economy and los angeles. And im sure in miami and Broward County the same kind of thing. Why isnt it working . We dont have the process set up yet. My broirt and father were both nypd detectivists. In their day when they came across a mentally disturbed person, they could put them into bellview for a 72hour period. Kid who are a known threat, they need a system in place to work with Law Enforcement. If they cross a line like this kid clearly did. They could be put into the Mental Health system and juvenile system while they are evaluated by the Mental Health system. David the first group to come down on that would be the aclu and they would probably prevent that from happening. We have to fight that fight. We have to make sure if they get up there teary eyed and say why is this happening. We have things to put in place. I think we do it already with certain people in our society. Severely mentally ill on the street to be taken off for a certain amount of time and be evaluated. We need to put kid like this who are clearly disturbed. Law enforcement didnt have the structure set up to deal with this kid other than just arrest him once he commits a crime. But we do it with other people in society. We need to change how we look at definition of Mental Illness. In conjunction with the juvenile justice can hold him and prevent this. David the disciplinary standard in schools is atrocious. If you do anything close to what bobby suggested, there are lawyers who will come down on you. One thing that bobby said that i think stand out. You have to fight that fight. Guess what, thats how Rudy Giuliani changed new york city. When the New York Times said it will never work, you dont have the right to do what you are doing. You cant reduce crime its too big to mac. Its too big to manage. He said first and foremost we are going to reduce crime. There is one of those issues, you have to fight that fight. David you also have the broken window theory. You stop small crimes. You dont let people, in this case student, get away with the socalled small crimes. You stop the small ones and that eventually leads to the big ones stopping as well. Its about discipline and respect. I was reading a report where military complanlders see the new kid coming into the military who believe they are entitled and have having major discipline problems. Thats in the military. You have the same thing in these high schools. Lobby, do you see the same thing at the fbi . Are the recruits not as disciplined as they used to be . Sure. We saw an erosion of standard a couple decade ago with respect to whether you could admit to drug use. When i came into the fbi you couldnt have used any drugs. But now you can use cocaine. There is an erosion of standard for sure. David how do you build that back . I think this is a different situation. I think what we are talking about here are Mental Health issues. There are enough people that we see the signs beforehand. Every time we have an incident like this we go over the signs that should have been seen. Now we have to put in a structure to deal with this when we see those signs. Years ago it was an unheard of idea to restrict someones travel and restrict their activity in society if they havent been convicted of a crime. But then we saw Domestic Violence rise and we got orders of protection. A woman can get an order against annex spouse even if that spouse is not convicted yet. The school needed an order of protect so he couldnt trespass at the school. But gift police the authority to take him off the street. And get him the care that he need. Get him the attention of the Mental Health professionals that need to treat him. That structure is not in place. David when the aclu and the New York Times game came at you with all the ammunition and propaganda against what you were doing, how did you fight them . They are not without a lot of influence in this city. But you won that battle. How did you win it . A lot of it is common sense. To this issue on the guns in florida be he state has different laws for possession to carry weapons. In new york city if you had a license to carry or possess a firearm and you were all over social media. I promise you within an hour of it was brought to the polices attention those guns would be gone. The nypd would have those guns. In florida its different. Thats something that has to be looked at, too, state laws. David coming up next, teenagers in florida recounting the moror a brush with death at their own high school. It was a fully automatic. It was very, very frightening. We although it was each year sarah climbs 58,007 steps. Thats the height of mount everest. 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One thing thats different between the last administration and this one is there is a relationship with Law Enforcement this executive branch has that the last administration didnt have. There was an antagonism between obama and local Law Enforcement that led to a federalization of Law Enforcement. I think you will find a more cooperative spirit. We may be able to use that relationship to the advantage of everybody. Charlie there was a definite antagonism with the Previous Administration on a whole host of issues. One of the things donald trump doesnt get credit for. He sees his job as the countrys head cheerleader. In a situation like this where you have police and teachers and coaches risking their lives to do extraordinary thing to protect children in a horrible situation like this, its probably a good thing for the country to have somebody in the president s position acting as a cheerleader and talking about the great sacrifices people make. Its what heals us. If we dont take anything else away from a horrifying heartbreaking situation like today, my goodness, as americans we have to come together and get past whatever our differences are. David so often when a shooting would occur in the Previous Administration, you would have cheer leading or sympathy extended in the deepest terms but it wouldnt last or lead to change. I think now, you the beginnings of the mechanism for change. For cooperation between the feds and the local Law Enforcement that could lead to some change beyond just the week or two of sympathy. I would hope so. But even in a case like this. I understand after something terrible like this happens, everybody wakes up and says what can we do . I want to do something so this never happens again. Your heart breaks and you want to do something. Unfortunately a lot of people wage and they do a couple things. We have people in real legitimate leadership positions in America Today who look at a situation like this and they belittle or mock faith or they want to use Something Like this to make a political point to press a personal political agenda. That is the wrong way to proceed in a situation like this. I think it makes things worse and it aught math i can el it automatically draws the battle lines and puts people in corners against one another and we dont have the unifying we should have after Something Like this. The last time anything on this skill happened, i think it was i may be criticized. But the shooting that led to the severe injury of congressman scalise. The shooting on the baseball field. And people did seem to come together. Lets hope this is one of those occasions when we could see some of the same iewnify we saw then. I sure pray for it. David tragedy unfolding at a high school in southern florida. Good thing the door was locked. Locked. 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He set off the fire alarms so the kids would come pouring into the halls. He was arrested about a mile away from campus. Class are canceled at the school for the remainder of the week. Joining me is bill gavin. We are in the middle of trying to figure out what happened with spying on an american Political Campaign that was allowed by the fisa court, the question being whether its become too easy to spy on americans, particularly given the various forms of Electronic Devices we have available now that we never had before. But in this case there was ample reason to suspect an individual based on what he had in social media. There is a balance in this society between the freedom individuals have to do and say whatever they want, and then the protection of the citizenry. In one case we overdid the in one direction, and in this case we overdid it in the other. I dont know if there is a happy medium. You are on tarring wet this whole thing with the electronic atmosphere we live in. We live in a world of electronic socialization. You have been in a room with teenagers and young people with their iphones with their thumbs typing to john and john is in the same room with him. Janes sitting right next to him. Things are impersonal. If it were taken to a personal milieu, they would talk about these things. Educators, teachers, students need to go through an educational process to be able to be taught when they see something thats wrong like this, when they see somebody who is a little off kilter who talks about guns and doesnt like anybody and has made social threats. They need to be able to talk to somebody about it. But they cant talk to anybody unless its with their thumbs on a phone. And thats a shame. Are they going to wrat somebody out . They dont understand the process of being social citizens. I just dont know where its going. David they call all this stuff on the web social media. Other than the fact people send a message to another person twhribs nothing social about it. The whole idea of social interchange means you improve the communities in some way, and clearly in this case there was no attempt to use social media which this guy mad been using to put out some kind of hate. But we do not was horrendous based on what the sheriff was saying, and nobody did anything about it. How could this nap his own home. How could he come up with weapons, ammunition. Everything that he needed to commit atrocity that he committed today. And his parents dont know . Nobody knows . Thats ridiculous. Parents need to take a greater part of their childrens lives. Along with the kids, the parents are usually there on their iphones tweeting out as well on social gatherings. Its not something that only happens with young folks. None of us are immune to that. Its electronic socialization. It makes everything so impersonal. These kids will realize that what happened, what they witnessed as they walked by this carnage is going to bite them for a long time to come. Its going to be defend starting in their lives. I certainly hope and i know the schools in florida will provide emotional assistance for these children and for the adults as well. Im afraid even adults are missing the social skills. David then the responsibility of companies that are the means of exchange. There have been a lot of questions in regard to terrorism in terms of the responsibility of twitter and facebook and the rest of them. But now this brings it to a more social personal level. Do you think companies have to change their ways and become more involved in this process working with the fbi and others . I think we all have to change our ways, companies included. But the problem is they cower under the social pressure, if they do something, social groups, the aclu is going to come down on them. I wouldnt be surprised with these children and the adults forming prayer groups, the aclu will concentrate on prieng School Property rather than the tragedy that occurred. This world has been turned upside down. David we thought the same was happening in new york. I just had bernie kerik on. He working with Rudy Giuliani. Got the same kind wf grief from the aclu and the groups who were diametrically opposed to what they were doing to try to clean up the streets much new york. But in the end, giuliani went out because as liberal as new yorkers are, they dont want to live in a place thats unsafe. As liberal as all the others who who may oppose the measures that need to be taken in our schools, they dont want their kids to go to a school where this can happen. People say these groups will be coming against you. What are you going to do . Every once in a while in this world we need to take a stand. If you take a stand like Rudy Giuliani did against the odds. 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You are never going to be able to teach teachers how to be tactical completely. Offer them a tax incentive. Give them a tax incentive to come on there and work 1020 hours a month and give them a carry conceal license. This may not be the only solution. By the is a solution. The only way you get to these is if you empower people to couple with Effective Solutions, and, two, we have to look at this stuff from the attackers point of view. You can do it, i can do it. Im trained. We talk about your son webs trained. But you dont have to be a military or Law Enforcement veteran to look at your life, figure out who would attack you why, when and how. You can do it. David i would think this president in particular would be openminded with these ideas. I think he would. I just dont think he gets the majority of people he has advising him are not operators, ground operators. Even the generals have long since operated on the ground. He needs to start look at people such as myself, people who have been on the ground and look at these unconventional ideas. David not part of the bureaucracy. Thats correct. A lot of of the lot of the attorneys and people without experience are advising on these things. If you want to get away from politics, then you need to start look at Effective Solutions for this. There is no reason for one more child to die in a school from this point forward if we simply did the recommendation that it gave at the beginning of this. There is no excuse for that individual getting into a classroom. He should never even get past the border of the school zone. David in this case in the parkland school, what would you do . Would you hire on a temporary basis, eczema reasons to come in here and carry weapons and respond immediately by walkietalkie top whatever happened that was questionable . First of all, the teachers and the staff, even parents, should have a get together and talk about this stuff. Where would they enter if they were going to be a shooter. How would they look at the school. Then put out the call. If you are a retired Law Enforcement officer or veteran that served and worked weapons. Come and the Law Enforcement agencies, you buy your own ammo and they put you through a course to see if you are qualified. If you are, you couple there and stand a post 1020 hours a month. Im telling you its that simple. Nobody would ever die in a school again. But they want to Start Talking politics. They want to talk about the kind of gun that was used. I heard representative them on and he was talking about an a. R. , and an a. R. Wasnt used in columbine. It doesnt matter if its a knife or fork. If we dont stop these people from entering the schools, the death will continue. David this president prides himself on cutting through bureaucracy. I think you may be speaking to the converted as far as that goes if you talk about this to the president. Its not the only answer by the is an effective one. This know reason for to us put politics in front of saving childrens lives. If you want to go down that road you shouldnt be in any leadership nothing this country to begin with. David coming up next, shock and when you have a cold, stuff happens. [ dog groans ] [ coughs and sneezes ] nothing relieves more symptoms than alka seltzer plus maximum strength liquid gels. On thousands of hotels, cars and things to do. Like the occidental at the xcaret destination for 32 off. Everything you need to go. Expedia. David we are learning the former student suspected of opening fire in a Florida High School today may have been identified as a potential threat to fellow students in the past, according to a former teacher who said 19yearold nikolas cruz wasnt allowed on campus with a backpack on him. He said everyone predicted the shooting. Cliff may, the president of the foundation for defense of democracies. Cliff, there is clearly was not sufficient communication between those who knew this guy was a threat. I think thats true and we have seen that in other examples. Im not an expert in everything. But what occurred to me a. Israel is threatened by terrorists and they dont succeed that often because israel has a security barrier, some call it a wall, to keep out people who want to kill israelis. And in israel everybody serves in the military. And you will see people carrying weapons and a lot of people carrying concealed. When a terrorist attacks there is usually somebody nearby who has a weapon and isnt atrade to use the weapon to stop the terrorist. David israel is a lot smaller. But there is a social fabric there, a determination on the part of israelis, recognition that survival hangs by a thread there. They are surrounded bid their enemies. Everybody is forced to serve in the military, whether you are man, woman. But that social fabric has a lot to do with the fact that you cant get away with a lot. You fry to israel on el al, and somebody will Say Something if they see something suspicious. In our country people look for weapons, in israel they look for terrorists. David there is one thing about mayor cap, every time you think the social fabric has had enough and its going to be torn to pieces and will never recover, we find a way of recommitting ourselves to the founding principles. And i hate to keep coming back to new york. A lot of people up there dont like this city. There was a time in the late 80s, early 90s that everybody thought the social fabric of new york was impossible to retrieve and sew back together. As a result of that tremendous effort made first by rodey giuliani and the success of police chiefs, we managed to keep this city alive. The same may be true nationally. Just as we think its the darkest hour, its just before the down. I lived in new york as a kid. 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Cruz was arrested in coral springs, a neighboring city, about an hour after he fled the scene. He slipped out of the building by mixing in with crowds of students. Joining me next is a faculty member of the criminal justice. How this kid known to the administrators at that school as a troublemaker, how he could get in with an a. R. 15. Its incredibly accurate. It does not take a skilled marksman to be effective. Its not particularly a large weapon. Concealment is quite possible. Its not like a long hunting rifle of any type. David could he have dismantled it in any way and concealed it in a bag so he wouldnt have too do that . You could potentially carry it alongside your pant leg. Its not difficult to conceal that type of firearm. We hear a lot about whether there should have been more metal detectors at this school. Is this a weapon that would have set that off . The campus provides the ultimate complex situation. Everybody door would have to be shut down and controlled. Generally in the United States the metal detector is not a solution for high population, high transit locations such as this school. David what is the solution if not that . You know, we need to have a vision in the country. One is to teach run, fight. We need to Pay Attention to people who make threats. And compel people making threats to psychological evaluation. We have to make it a standard to run, hide, fight, and active shooter training. Even if it saves a couple more people its worth the time and investment. David its far too early to second guess what anybody did or didnt do in this case. But it seems this kid was putting out very clear warnings that he was extremely violent in the messages he put out on social media. Is there any way to communicate that to Law Enforcement . Its very difficult to legally compel somebody to a psychological evaluation. You are bumming into threats that could be considered as idle. Unless they do something in terms of being demonstrative in take an act, there is a legislative and societal fix. David change the law in the way we define Mental Illness . I would say in terms of somebody being compelled for an evaluation. A licensed psychologist could say i have concerns they are actionable. Their diagnosis could be that might have them contained for a further psychological evaluation. Even confinement. David bernard, we appreciate you being here on this awful day. Thats it for us tonight. Remember to pray for those who lost their lives today. Thank you for joining us. Sebastian gorka and tom fit on n are among our guests tomorrow. It was a tough day, folks. Thank you for joining us. Good his dream . Big as a trex. When everybody else told him he was crazy, he just said, no, im gonna build dinosaurs. His creation . A land before time. He was almost an engineer when it came to dinosaurs. Can it survive without him . 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