what do you do to switch off? >> i -- i -- i like to paint or i make things. i like to -- >> what do you make? >> i make -- i have a thing where i make models of -- a beautiful -- i make buses. >> you make models of buses? >> what i do, i don't mean models of buses. i get old i don't know, wooden crates. >> yeah. >> right. and then i paint them. and they have two -- it's a box that's been used to contain two wide bottles, right? >> right. >> and it will have a dividing thing. >> yeah. >> i turn it into a bus. so i put passengers. you really want to know this? >> you're making buses.