or trump org but some alleging in your party there are crimes being committed in the white house. >> there are some statutes. arguably there are two, 1512b which would reach to felony level. then as a lesser obstruction charge that the be 1505 that would probably -- not rise to the level. it really depends on how we measure the facts. some of cohen's testimony might be helpful in that regard. so arguably yes but we're not certain yet. >> francesca, is there anything out of the white house other than the basic attacks on cohen and the impugning of him trying to point out i mentioned in my lead. look, dealing with one going to prison and who confessed to crimes. >> they have also categorically denied all the charges he made. i asked sarah sanders about the