>> he was named in a federal courthouse by a defendant as illegally instructing him to commit a felony. >> a felony that was kind of crucial to his own election. >> yes. >> right? i mean, he has committed crimes. he has obstructed justice. he has ordered the justice department to investigate his enemies. i mean, he kind of tweets something every other day that in and of itself would be an impeachable offense in a healthy society. there's a legitimate, i think, political debate about whether we should wait for the mueller investigation. but i don't think there's a legitimate debate about democrats about whether he has done things that plausibly merit impeachment. >> one thing that was interesting about this episode, and yesterday being on capitol hill is watching it was a generational divide around how democrats think about their role in the public sphere and who they're talking to, a little bit, and worries about being a defensive crowd. there's an interesting generational thing happening with new and younger members who i think just feel a little less -- a little less burdened or unbridled about how they're