i'm joined by kim waleigh, elliott williams, deputy attorney general in the united states under president obama, and msnbc legal analyst and former assistant special prosecutor -- special watergate prosecutor, in fact, nick akerman. let me start with you, nick. you and i have been talking about this for a long time. i went in close to the ground on this one in my conversation with those two guys. now let's pull this back, take it in its entirety and tell me where you think we are. >> we've got a very powerful legal juggernaut that mueller has put together that is going straight at donald trump. it's not just that cohen is providing information about russia and the conspiracy between the campaign and russia, but you've also got flynn, michael flynn, the former national security adviser who is also providing information and according to mueller has been cooperating fully. which means that he's been providing information about the sanctions and the lifting of sanctions, which was the quid