somebody like maybe sherrod brown could be capable of doing that. >> recession? >> i wouldn't rule out -- >> i wouldn't rule out amy klobuchar and some of the other democrats as being able to reach those voters. >> sherrod brown and amy klobuchar. your thoughts? >> no john's point, ohio went about 10 points for trump and sherrod brown just won it comfortably. six points or so. he's got that feel. i've long thought that hillary clinton's best running mate in 2016 would have been -- >> absolutely. he went to yale, but he doesn't let it show. okay? he has that working guy's gruff voice. he comes off as a labor kind of guy. i think he has the message which is keep -- be okay. be solid on the social issues, put economics out front. i a in those states they're risk proned to the economy. they want to know their president is on their side on trade issues and things like