political in my view, of all three of them. and i hate to be cynical on this show because i know you value idealism and altruism here. but i have a small sack full of cynicism applied to all three of those characters. >> mimi, don't pay any attention. he's so cynical. mimi, the in-house office of legal counsel at the justice department says general whitaker looks good to us. what are we to think about that? >> look, it's disappointing in the sense that i think it's wrong, but it's not entirely surprising. this is the same office that said that the first travel ban was legal and that didn't work out so well in the courts. >> aren't they career people, though? >> well, they are. although the author of it is someone who is kind of a republican -- i don't want to say operative. that's too strong of a word. but he's on the democratic -- republican side. and the point is that look, i think there are many stronger arguments that it is unconstitutional, his appointment. there are still very good arguments that it's not lawful under the statute, which was the main argument that the olc memo