and it's not just in new york city. and if there's, again, from all of us, in any form of leadership, need to step up our game and put aside the kind of back and forth and say this is not who we are as a country, support our law enforcement, support our intelligence community officials, and that will be a heck of a lot stronger if that message also came from this white house. >> barbara, how does one take this as seriously -- as serious as possible without celeb ra tizing this bomber, without inspiring others to become copy cats? if the goal was to sow fear and chaos, it's working. >> there's a lot of attention to be paid to it. you want to alert the public of this threat. i think the best way to achieve is it by working quickly to