bravery, but it takes something to go into an interview like that clearly having no command of the facts and pretend like they're going to come out some place. you look at him and the way that he comports himself, what does it say? >> trump's first instinct always is to deny. and he respects people who deny when there are allegations, whether it's the saudis, kavanaugh, whether it's him. so it's almost as if that is the first instinct, no matter what the accusation is. and then you say you're going to conduct some kind of investigation. he says we're going to look into it just like he says we'll into the kavanaugh issue and putin. but then there's no real investigation and then there's a new strakz lidistraction like k. that is part of the strategy, i think, is you deny because if you admit just a little bit, you