name him in the indictment. the president who's compromising the united states and using these pardons that he suggests, that's a violation of his oath of due process. that is to say he's using his oath to protect himself from an investigation. and those he would keep quiet, just as in nixon. if you can give nixon credit, as elizabeth might -- >> i wouldn't. >> he was not as bad as this guy, if that's possible to conceive of. >> when you think about the fact that michael cohen recorded his conversations with the president, omarosa recorded conversations, and "national enquirer" holding onto these stories it killed, it seems anybody who was in trump's orbit at least in some case was trying to keep record of some of this negativity and some of this fallout in the event that they would be in the position that they're in today. >> i'm so glad you brought that up. i've been really drawn to this