at this point he's put in a position -- i agree with john. >> there is no way -- most people that know the president, he was a master of the micro. there is no way he didn't know about the cover. >> there's no way he didn't know who was the elevator operator in trump tower. i'm talking about somebody that knows him and that everybody in any of us, pro or con, that had good or bad meetings with donald trump met with michael cohen. michael cohen was like his therapist. he's the guy when you walked out angry because he wouldn't do whatever it was, he was the comforter to all of us on the long ride downstairs and why this guy was as belligerent as he is. >> one of trump's many binkies. here's the thing. as bad as all the catch and kill is, as bad as all the stories are, there is a small percentage cohen did on donald trump's behalf. it makes it much worse than what we know about the campaign finance violations potentially. but when the totality of what he's done in all of these foreign countries, making all