decide. >> jonathan? >> well, steve bannon is all about shutting down the government, actually burning the whole thing down. so let's not be surprised by what he just said. also, let's not be surprised that even though he's off message but likes the policy, he likes the policy because steve bannon is a white nationalist. he is all about ceiling off the border, ceili border, sealing off this country from anyone who might be black or brown, in this case brown. people that are fleeing conditions that are so horrendous that they would risk their own personal safety to make the journey and risk now separation of their families, obliteration of their families just by crossing the border either illegally in terms of law, which they said earlier was a misdemeanor, or by legally going to a place where they can ask for asylum. so we should listen to steve bannon because he is saying