any story, the reporter from the "the washington post" who broke that story has called into the beat, carol, what can you tell us about your sourcing on this, how you got to this point and what its significance is? >> so i don't want to talk at all about the sourcing for this, but i will say that i enjoy matt miller's commentary but i don't appreciate him saying that it was some great failure on the part of the defense that this story got out. it got out because of reporting and i would also just say that the significance from our vantage point covering this probe is that now you have finally in the helmsman position a lawyer leading the trump defense and reopening these talks where they were a month and a half ago, which is will the president sit down voluntarily for an interview with bob mueller who is now seeking, quite clearly, to know did the president have any