four separate occasions. and the real question in my mind was not so much, you know, what was the lie about? it was why? what was he trying to cover up? what was he trying to distract the fbi's attention from. what is it about his communications with the president's senior team, with jared kushner, perhaps with the president himself about his communications with russia that he did not want the fbi to know about. i think that is the central question. we know now that russia interfered in the election. we know now the trump team benefited from that interference. we know now that they understood the russian government was going to be involved in the campaign, and we now know they lied to cover their tracks when in fact, the fbi began to investigate it. of course, we now know that the president fired jim comey who was leading that investigation. >> jeremy, let me hit you with one more before we get around to everybody. mike flynn, we know that he checked with someone who was presumably above him or at least