Former u. S. Attorney. Julia, this is your reporting. Youre part of the team at nbc news that discovered this approach. What more do we know about it . Lawrence, on the one hand it seems obvious. We know two weeks ago special Counsel Robert Mueller delivered a scathing indictment of 13 Russian Hackers not just hackers but influencers. Those were people able to get into social media and influence the way the election was being talked about to sow some distrust in the process. But what we have thats significant here is that a lot of information has recently been turned over to Robert Mueller from the Intelligence Community. This is information that includes the electronic signatures, malware the methods i dont think so. Theres never been a precedent for the United States indicting an elected foreign leader, even a country we dislike like russia. So i dont think were going to see that. I think its important to focus on the significance of this development. These wikileaks, these emails w
information that they thought they needed to follow up on. the people interviewed by the ig s office said repeatedly, it would have been a dereliction of duty not to pursue this and not to conduct the investigation. we know this is a president who would like to investigate some people. it s been reported he wanted to investigate hillary clinton and jim comey. his allies in congress sought to impeach rosenstein for not pursuing those. what keeps you up at night when you see a president and attorney general so disdainful? checks and balances, self-police, it s one of the pillars that hold up a democracy. what do you think personally when you know mccabe and what he s been through, jim comey was here, all the people who have been smeared by donald trump in
about turning the trump base s attention toward the durham investigation, the additional barr sanctioned investigation, if you will. barr accompanied, barr assisted. i don t know what we want to describe it. he has traveled with mr. durham to foreign capitols to participate in the investigation. he writes the attorney general and supporters in congress followed a script. engaged in a cover yo photographed campaign of fox news appearances and testimony to createes expectations about finding proof of a deep state campaign against mr. trump, and then when the proof does not emerge, skew the results and prepare for the next opportunity to execute the play book. here s the problem. have to bet that the trump base will accept that jim comey, a registered republican, i think, andy mccabe, a registered republican, bob mueller a registered republican, horowitz, all met in some tree house and
a car to the white house and being received in the oval office for a meeting with the president. and one of the criticisms of this today is that the optics of what message does that send to ukraine when you had a meeting that very meeting in the oval office with the president of ukraine was contingent on whether they investigate or he authorizes investigations into political opponent of the president s. so that s kind of the overtone. there s always something. in 2017 it was like you said, the day after he the president fired jim comey, and today it s with this whole ukraine issue hanging over him. so i keep thinking of with john mccain would do if he were alive. this is a little thing, but heads of state are heads of state. it s weird for them to meet twice. if john mccain were alive, i picture him in a uber ax banging on the door and saying what carol said. your ally in the region is ukraine. putin kills ukrainians.
putin with the president. again, all roads lead to putin. the list goes on and on. it sure does. take today s oval office meeting with trump and russian foreign minister in the oval office. when the president met last year with lavrov, it was less than 24 hours after he had fired jim comey, an act he told avenue love had relieved, quote, great pressure. in the same meeting he also revealed classified information restricted even in the u.s. government. as the speaker said, all roads seem to lead to putin and russia. i want to remind folks about what fiona hill said in her testimony. the notion that ukraine meddled in our election and russia did not is a russian intelligence operation. when we repeat what the russians want us to repeat, we are doing