opposite. i would like people to have an outbreak of candor so we can determine whether this guy is a menace to national security which i happen to think he is. >> and, ron klain, hr mcmaster is one of the enemies in steve bannon world and so there is speculation that this kind of story is actually being advanced by the bannon side in the hope to discredit mcmaster within the white house but that doesn't go to the question, the real question of did he really say this? >> yeah. i think all of that speculation suggests that these people are playing six dimensional chess. the record shows it's ze dimensional chess, lawrence. >> right. >> this is the most disorganized, incompetent people to circle a president and so i don't think this is like some clever, like, parlor game. i think this is just the truth slowly leaking out as these people go and have conversations with people and can't obscure the fact that the man they're serving, the man who runs the country right now is just not up to the job any way, shape or form. >> and, jennifer, i love the