the campaign who didn't end up in the administration. paul manafort is a great example, corey lewandowski, who you famously feuded with. there are people playing key roles in the campaign who don't end up in the administration. that can't be the thing that determines whether they played important roles in the campaign or not. >> but you can't have it both ways. we're also hearing a lot of complaints that donald trump is not getting the best and brightest, especially into his state department and national security apparatus. if you had a pulse and some foreign policy acumen, i think you'd be in the administration's appointment -- among the administration's appointments right now. the fact of the matter is this guy was at ben carson's campaign for like five or six weeks. the way he got into that campaign was very similar, with an inflated resume and a linkedin message. >> right. but here's the thing. i am willing to believe charitably this guy was low on the totem poll, but he was e-mailing sam clovis, who was up for an administration position until it was yanked in response to what happened.