attorney general shapiro. attorney general, good to see you again. thank you. the outrage -- you and i talked so many times about this. it never gets better. there is not a day in which i think, ah, equifax is doing the right thing. >> well, first off, ali, it's good to be back with you and stephanie. i'm glad i'm a whole alternate general. i'm also an attorney general who is just so offended, offended by the conduct of equifax since the breach. i'm offended by this golden parachute that this ceo gets to walk away with after he literally, on his watch, lost the data of 143 million americans, including 5.5 million pennsylvanians. >> here's the question. it's offensive, but is it illegal? i take you back to the financial crisis, the thousands of americans who were so angry with the banking industry, and you