and that's why i think this is a really big deal tonight. and the one moment i think what qualify would be in 1985 when jim baker left as reagan's chief of staff and knew washington in a way that reagan had not and screwed up that and to some extent reagan's changes led to the iran-contra scandal which almost led to reagan's impeachment. if you look at other white house stats, in washington you always hear it's so important, this guy is leaving, this person is coming. they usually don't amount to very much. i think the departure of bannon is going to be a very big deal. >> why do you think it's potentially a standout moment like that, that change for reagan? what is it about bannon that tells you that his departure is going to be a big deal? >> because this is a guy who had his own constituency and public profile. you almost never see that in a top place in a white house staff. we never saw a president choose a chief strategist. you don't see that job title in any of the other administration. but most of all, donald trump