do them erratically without consulting people. but also just the fact that he has certain people around him that are not sort of pulling him off the ledge and saying you can't do this, this is going to further implicate yous in a problem for you. to do so in a convincing manner. that's really what's been so problematic in this white house. general kelly is somebody who many believe does have influence on the president. he respects the generals believes in them and he really takes advice to heart. to see if he can get the president to tone down some of his involvement in this, that's going be thing interesting thing moving forward. >> richard with the proviso innocent until proven guilty what this is as of now it's a "washington post" story. for in to be a crime for this to be obstruction, capital o or small o. it seems to me you have to prove authorship of the statement we foe to be wrong. and you'd have to prove intent, that it was meant as a smoke