fraud the united states or the other crime that's been discussed campaign finance laws. it's enough that that's what they sought to receive. we all know the old sting operations to catch a predator where somebody thinks they're meet ago teenage girl instead it's a camera crew. it's enough you showed up for the meeting under some statutes. nonetheless i'm sure robert mueller wants all the facts including documents in this meeting and any others. >> van, but there is a something to this burger, is there not just based on what we've got. >> >> definitely. i think the acceptance fundamental meeting, the fact that there may be documents on hand and just i think the general lack of transparency, whether it matters in a sort of criminal context, a lack of transparency from day one from the trump administration, the campaign team, i think suggests basically gives a road map where to look in the investigation. and it matters in public opinion. and that's not a -- that's the thing that matters going forward in the investigation and looking to the future.