you serve at the pleasure of the president of the united states. >> let me add -- we all served in the white house, and the oath that you take is to country and you promise to be loyal to the country. there's no oath that any of us took to the presidents we served. so what is it about -- is he missing a chip? is it the ignorance defense again? you said you're willing to go work in this white house. would you need to know the answer to whether or not the defense to everything he's accused of doing wrong is he doesn't know the answer or he's willing to sor of blow up decades of tradition in terms of the independence of the fbi? what would make you more comfortable if you were going to go into this white house? >> look, what ultimately is going to make us and the media and everyone else more comfortable is what was in his heart when he said these things? >> whose heart? >> in the president's. >> why does that matter? he broke a law -- is it legal to ask the fbi director to back off an investigation into mike flynn one he's been -- >> it matters because ultimately it's in the eye of the beholder. if we're headed toward an