job of the deputy secretary to play a leading role to recruit people at the next level down and particularly given that tillerson won't really know who to recruit, having someone in that job who will recruit people who is sensitive and thoughtful is important. >> tillerson can say these are who i want in my state department. i'm bringing my people in. but these are the type of people that i want filling up the state department. >> as you know, it doesn't always work exactly that way. it's a negotiation between the secretary and the white house. and there's gives and takes and so on. it's rare for a secretary to have imposed on him someone this far out there that he doesn't want. >> especially because sheldon adelson, casino owner, is pushing this. it makes absolutely no sense. donald trump didn't need sheldon adelson's money to win. >> it's nice to have diversity around the table that's the hallmark of this program. >> interesting, mika, i went back and i've been talki ining t