thing is he has been interviewed -- i have heard 1,000 interviews of him through the years, and these nerdist dudes, who i never heard of, but you know the guys,ing and then you go, well, how did they get paul mccartney, and you listen to all the other people they've interviewed. jesus christ, moses, john lennon, who obviously came back on a flying saucer to do an interview with them. i cannot believe. >> how -- in the world where everyone has a podcast, how did you stumble upon this? how did you find it? >> okay. i'm really going into the weeds. >> yeah. let's stop. >> no, seriously. i got the recording studio, and it's -- i am constantly, you know, digging for -- i'm constantly working and trying to figure out. i was looking for pod costs with jeff enright who was the beatles engineer. 1966. then 1968, 1969. i couldn't find it. finally i said, screw it, i'm going to go straight to the source. then i just searched paul