>> and i think we can hear the beautiful church of st. pat's be hind us as the bells are going off. does anyone feel intimidated to talk about the church and conflicts with the church? . >> coming up, you'll hear more from thomas robert's panel interview on the pope's impact on the u.s. let's go to politics and a shake-up for the race in the republican nomination. a new cnn poll shows carly fiorina surging. she's gained 12 points putting her in second place and now ahead by one point of ben carson. donald trump is still leading the pack and he's down eight points. joining me now is rich galen. and howard dean, former vermont governor. good to see you both. rich, any sense of relief from the gop establishment that donald trump may be losing some steam here?