and i think we can hear the beautiful church of st. pat s be hind us as the bells are going off. does anyone feel intimidated to talk about the church and conflicts with the church? . coming up, you ll hear more from thomas robert s panel interview on the pope s impact on the u.s. let s go to politics and a shake-up for the race in the republican nomination. a new cnn poll shows carly fiorina surging. she s gained 12 points putting her in second place and now ahead by one point of ben carson. donald trump is still leading the pack and he s down eight points. joining me now is rich galen. and howard dean, former vermont governor. good to see you both. rich, any sense of relief from the gop establishment that donald trump may be losing some steam here?
those raised as adults have left the church and 41% have never returned. thomas roberts sat down with a group of catholics whose leave lives conflict with church doctrine but all of them say that pope francis is bringing people like them back to the church. just by a show of hands, who considers themselves to be a practicing catholic? let s go around the group and i ll start with kathy. give me one word for pope francis. francis-like. dawn? it s not one word but i was going to say fresh air. kevin? humble. humble. sarah? hopeful. jorge? different. denise? light. why do you say light? people whoer banished from the religion because of the traditions of it now can see a light.
let s go around the group and i ll start with cathy. give me one word for pope francis. francis-like. dawn? it s not one word but i was going to say fresh air. kevin i d say humble. humble. sarah? hopeful. hope snfl jorge? different. different. denise? light. light. why do you say light? people who were banished from the religion because of the traditions of it now can see a light. i think we can hear the beautiful church of st. pat s behind us as the bells are going off. does it make anybody feel intimidated to talk about the church in any conflicts that you have with the church as st. pat looms behind us? not at all. no. no. i m so proud of this group