that -- >> it's hypocritical. >> do we know the extent? >> i knew most of the details in this report, but hearing them and seeing them in print from the raw transcripts is much more powerful than hearing about the program. >> we want to get to carole lay, former cia director michael hay den will be on strongly criticizing the report. he says it's not torture and the investigation was politicized. >> as bad as some people think cia behavior was with regard to these 100 or so detainees. if everyone on the planet used cia behavior as the model, the overall treatment of detainees on earth would actually improve. the report was 130esed to have conducted interviews, hearings,