john mccain, a prisoner of war who said, take it from me, i know personally, torture does not work. it just added heaviness to this situation. i think that was a unique thing about this debate. we have not seen something like that take place in the senate in a long time. that, jeremy, one of the key questions coming out of this. mike barnacle will be looking at the. did the cia overstate the stes e success of the program? i mean, does it who,? that s a big debate, which i think has been stirred up. well, offer that question, i d like the ask you, are you the only person who has been in two or three different theaters of war on the ground walking around, risking your life. in january of 2004, the united states grabs hasan gul. he gives up the fame of the courier al kuwaiti. seum psalm s courier the team that eventually brings seal team
positions for long periods of time. they were deprived of sleep for days. in one case, up to 180 hours. that s seven-and-a-half days over a week with no sleep. the cia led several detainees to believe they would never be allowed to leave cia custody alive. cia detainees at one facility described as a dungeon were kept if complete darkness, constantly sackled in isolated cells with loud noise or music and only a bucket to use for huh pan waste. the results of confusion of how many detainees existed. records show 1 fine, cia officials show there were fewer than 100. cia shows problem was kept in the dark with his first briefing taking pla is in 2006. four years after the program began. one memo claims the white house said to keep details of the program hidden from former secretary of state colin powell
president george bush new the details of the program early on? it was my understanding, certainly, in the nsa program. he and i talked about it before we launched it. it was not something he would buy or forget. i wasn t there for the personal briefings of president bush. i just ever you to the president s own auto biography, in which he said he personally approved the waterboard. we have the washington post s david ignacious with us as well. david. i want to focus on what mike barnacle was asking. if you read the report, there is a key passage just before the first waterboarding in using, 2002, in which it is said da after the president s national security adviser, condoleeza rice, has been briefed on detail of the techniques that will be used the president will not be briefed. in other words, there is this effort to in effect protect him,
lexis in the box. wall street journal, carole lay, go ahead. i had two questions. one it sounds like you are saying if retrospect if you lad to do it over that this was a program that you would still support in general. then, second, what kind of impact does something like this, which highlights some obviously very negative action taken by cia officials do to morale at the cia at this point, particularly coming on top of things like the nsa revelations? yeah, look, when a cia officer agreed to do some edgy thing on behalf of the republic and frankly that s all they do. it s how stuff gets tossed to other agencies. that cia thinks if he s got the presidential authorization, congress has been briefed. the attorney general says it s okay. the director says this is a good thing to do. good stuff will happen if we do
really want an authentic accounting of what happened. this is a big deal. we few we were on the edge. we few a lot of our countrymen would not agree with this. i would really like the facts to be out there. when this study was launched, mica, the charter fort said this study will have hearings and interviews and make recommendations. we are 0 for 3 when they opted for the 6 million document fish in order to pull out saying perhaps out of context in order to make what seals to be a predetermined point. be i the way, you and i have been talking now for about 12 minutes. you all have been on the air since 6:00 a.m. we talked about the report. you know, there are three reports that were issued yesterday so where is the commentary about what the government said, where is the commentary about the cia. president barak obama s cia said about the program?