heads to attention and make sure that we don't have time for propaganda. we don't have time for games. we need to know exactly what happened and everybody needs to make sure that we're holding accountable those who committed this outrage. >> joining susnicholas kristof. thank you for being with us. >> sure. >> have you seen any indcations today that other nato powers are going to up the ante against russia because it really hasn't been the u.s. that's been reluctant to take the hard line here. it's really been tougher to get europe on board because, obviously, they are more economically intertwined with russia. >> yeah, i mean, we haven't seen that so far, but i would be very surprised if that doesn't happen. i think that we're going to see two things happen. one is greater toughness in europe. certainly neths lly netherland germany as well. this is something that people can identify with because they can imagine being on that plane. and secondly, i think that putin