interested in the idea of what engagement can actually get us, in what making deals with get us and what multilateralism can get us. >> can there a thinking about these frame works that doesn't rely on this idea that you're trusting the iranian regime? >> oh, absolutely, don't fall for that. this deal has nothing to do with trust. you don't trust a bank when you take out a more gajs. labor doesn't trust management when you make out a deal. you have contracts, you have actions in that contract and that's what you got with this agreement between the u.n. security council, by the way, this is not a deal between the united states and iran. the u.n. security council, including france who's a hero to these guys just 10 days ago, if they don't fulfill their terms we have actions to pull the plug on any sanctions relief we may have given them. >> do you think there's space opening up increasingly to push for something that looks more