veterans who are facing these backlogs and facing the service cuts? >> all right. well, you know, there's a huge veterans service network out there. you can go to iava.org and you can -- one of our case managers can help a veteran out there who is looking for some sort of assistance whether it's with your claim or whether it's with another service that's shut down. you know, bottom line is we just need to get the government started again. that's the only real solution to this. it's not just about the backlog. it's not just about benefits. it's the entire structure for care and services for the military, for veterans and their families that's suffering, and nothing short of simply restarting the government and getting congress to actually do its job is going to fix that. >> certainly patrick murphy and you have sent a message to the so-called knuckleheads. message transmitted. thank you very much. and coming up next, chris matthews and his new book about a time when presidents and house speakers from opposite parties actually got along and worked