beginning of the show, there were people who thought these were a couple of chuckle heads and tuned in to see them bicker and it seemed at times roger would look at gene and say, you are about the dumbest guy i ever sat across from in my life and gene would be prickly and would pull it back and sometimes cut it off unceremoniously. that's why, as we tuned in to laugh, we eventually developed this respect. wait a minute. these guys are having a discussion about art on national tv and they're bringing people into it. >> they care enough to get genuinely ticked off at each other, a key. you're sending a sub-textural cue to the viewer that it matters. >> may i ask a point, i am so inappropriately dressed for this occasion. >> we were going to let it go. >> i'm not. we were in the edit room. i was in the edit room all day with my 250th episode of inside the actor's studio.