optimistic are we they are going to get anything done on immigration, let alone, you know, energy reform? >> i think they know there is a -- an image problem and an identity crisis happening. but that's absolutely right. it's not just about this, it's everything after this. this debate is going to be long and drawn out. this is just the start. we're going to move on very soon to talk about the debt ceiling, and it's going to be -- we're going to see the exact same extremism there. we already know there's going to be a huge fight and it's going to be played to the end with the highest stakes. >> marco rubio's comment, you know, goes to karen's point. it shows what he cares about now is through the republican base in 2016. to rush out right away and say this is an abuse of power and, you know, two dais ago, whenever he gave his speech, yesterday, immigration proposals, which were almost exactly the same as barack obama's, what do you know? this is a guy who wants to have it both ways and keeping his eye on that base, as small as it is,